Orr89RocZ

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94-98 mustang gt looks like. Takes on a what they say is an Iroc but looks like a 91-92 Z28. Cant tell what engine he's got but i would guess L98. Good Street race.


Z28 vs. Mustang GT

megaracerx

the camaro only had him on the launch...the mustang was pulling on him at the end...he must have some mods to hang/beat a GT...they make 250+ hp i think...


and on the vid they only show about 12sec of the race...a full quater mile and the stang would have won i think...there probabaly both mid 14sec cars...i assume they are atleast

25thmustang

The 1994-1995 GTs were about low 15s high 14s, similar with the 1996-1998 cars. Id say the Mustang was more than likely modded!

megaracerx

i figured it was modded...but street racing is just that...street racing...anything happens...

anypics of your stang btw?or is that not allowed?

Orr89RocZ

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That mustang sounds like it has exhaust. Think the z28 is stock atleast exhaust wise. Could it be a 305 TPI car with a stick and good driver? Mustang was indeed pulling a bit but not buy much.

megaracerx

i dont think a stock 305 tpi car could hang/beat with a stock gt much less a modded on...unless the stang driver was a bad driver...and i think the GT was a stick becuase be wasn power braking when trying to burn out..

Orr89RocZ

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Now that I watch it again, the z28 is doing burnout by power braking. he deff has auto so it must be an L98. Seen alot of those run low 14's stock. Nick418 has one and runs 14.3. Real nice car, LOL

It also looks like it maintains the lead up till the end of the vid. mustang is closing but still think L98 is ahead.

Nic

That's a 96 - 98 GT (non-PI 4.6). You can tell by the vertical tail lights as opposed to the horizontal tail lights on the 94 - 95. Looks like it was a tight race. Would've been interesting to see the whole thing.

megaracerx

Just because he has an auto doesnt mean he has an L98...my LG4 has an auto:lala:

THEGENERAL

just because he was brake torqueing doesnt mean he has an auto either if you are good with a stick you can do this and keep the tires spinning without moving just like in an auto ....

Orr89RocZ

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yeah, but i assume its an L98 to keep up with that stang. LOL

Its hard to tell but that camaro doesnt seem to lurch at all when doing the burnout. its just like he stopped, pushed in the break and pressed the gas. Sticks clutch in, rev up, pop clutch and quickly hit the brake. Some lurch of the car. this is the way I see most cars doing it including my friend in his 4banger s-10.

THEGENERAL

im not saying its not an auto or that it is a stick ...LOL

i know that you can do a nice steady burn out with a stick using your brake if you use your right heal on the gas pedal and the right toe area on the brake and then your left foot on the clutch and start to rev and release the clutch and give it gas ...LOL

i know it sounds goofy but it can be done used to do it all the time and the vehicle would start spinning without a problem just like an auto ...and not jump around on ya or give your car that really hard shot or jolt from dropping the clutch ....

stu

Yeah, you could easily just heel toe and do a burnout with a stick and make it look like an auto.

25thmustang

Yes you can make it look like an auto, but there will be some revving and clutch dumping. I havent seen anyone do it without revving it up some...

Also there are a ton of pics of my car on my car domain site!

nick418

Those 94-98 Mustangs were doggs. The L98 would wipp em stock vs stock. I see em runnin 15s all day. Nice vid tho, i guess? Thanks Orr i love you too!

they came 215hp with a heavy body and if they were AUTO, please dont let me go there!

kretos

good race

megaracerx

GTs? i thought they were a lil faster....

nick418

some of the 5 speeds squeeze high 14s, and pretty much most are mid to low 15s... Esp the autos. The 94-98 Mustangs werent known for "GOOD PERFORMANCE" Even the 1994 Cobra which came at underated 240hp

Avenger007

ya the 96-98 gt i believe came with the 4.6 which did only 225hp and somewher around 280 lb/ft. theyre heavy and seem meaner than they really are. Friend of mine has a 98 gt and i hope to one day take him in my LO5 350 tbi.

btw i raced his gt in my stock olds alero and nearly caught him. when i raced him in my 3800 series I turbo olds van i basically beat him...so they arent that fast for those years. Also note his wheels and taillights. He had vertical lights and cobra wheels which did over 260hp stock i believe for the 96 and up years if it was indeed a cobra

Orr89RocZ

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its amazing to see why and how ford stayed in business with the mustang. I mean, its out classed by the camaro/trans ams ever since 93. So ford made the Cobra which did nothing more in 93-96. Still couldnt compete with LT1 z28's and SS's. 98 produced the LS1 and would absolutely devastate mustangs of the same year and continue to do so. Even the mighty 390hp cobra is getting out run by Ls1's.

With all of that why the heck didnt f-body's out sell mustangs? Doesnt make sense. The lack of factory performance of the mustang influenced the greater aftermarket. in my opinion thats why ford can get away with selling the mustangs with suck ridiculously low power. People know theres an aftermarket and will buy the body style of mustang cuz hardcore ford lovers and mod there cars to hang with the LS1's Lt1's. LOL just a thought on my part but dont see why GM killed the f-body. Lack of sales? To a degree cuz mustangs are womens cars and thats why they majority of stangs are v6's. more v6 cars on the road than v8 mustangs. THE f-body is a man's car and its wrong to have them with v-6. Thats why they didnt sell cuz no one would be caught dead in a v6 camaro. LOL

Nic

I was trying to make my decision between a new GT and new Z28. Here was my perspective:

- Mustang was more aesthetically pleasing (opinion). Would have been different had I came across a Trans Am

- Mustang had a much nicer interior. The interior trim pieces in the Camaro felt like they were made of the cheapest, flimsiest plastic GM could find

- Camaro had nicer seats

- Mustang offered better peripheral visibility

- Mustang rode smoother. In a way, you felt a little detached from the road as compared to the Camaro

- Mustang had the nicer sound system

- Camaro accelerated much much quicker, both from a stop and on the highway

- Camaro handled better

- Camaro had better brakes

- Mustang had more room in the backseat and trunk area


All in all, to me, the Mustang made a far more practical daily driver that also offered pretty good power. If I were looking for a weekend car, I would've chosen the Camaro over the Mustang, but for what I needed, the Mustang suited me better. I think that's where GM made their mistake. The F-body is just impractical as a daily driver, and most people who are going to spend that kind of money on a brand new car are going to want to drive it everyday.


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nick418

orr you i agree man! I looked up the hp stats for Mustang vs Camaro. Every Year the Camaro came more hp and TQ besides like 1987 and a couple other yrs.... But the Camaro was always faster. But the Mustang like you said has a beter aftermarket... Ive driven newer to Older Mustangs and Camaros. Always like the Camaros appearance, handlin and SPEED. Jmo tho. Nic has some good points as well and hes title to his opinion.

ljnowell

I dont know, when I go to the dragstrip around here, I dont see very many stock LS1's outrunning the new cobras.

nick418

the New Cobra runs what? Low 13s?

Orr89RocZ

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i have heard a few stories of CAI lids and catback cars running with or out edging cobras. Most do run mid 12's with drag radials, or atleast the two out my area do.

Avenger007

Orr89RocZ i get what your saying about mustangs but something you dont realize sales wise is wat nic was saying...creature comforts, fit and finish, and overall drivability. Heck hands down id take a camaro over any mustang (cept maybe a saleen, but of course thats diff story) but the general populous wants a smoother car these days thats sleek and conservative in its styling while giving a good performance for your money. If you ask me mustangs arent that great engine wise out of the box. But to your average joe they think theyre the hottest thing on the street. "oh i got a mustang...ya hes got a mustang" Theyve built a personality into that car and people just accept its setup over the camaros in the recent years. A camaro is a better value in my eyes, but then again the general population isnt quite as educated. lol. kidding aside tho, the marketing, distribution, and many other things affect how chevy battles the mustang sales wise and unfortunately all the little rich high school girls went out and bought their silver mustang convertibles...leaving the good 'ol american, bang for your buck, true to its roots camaro back at the dealer

on a side note: the new svt cobras are pretty fast, especially with a little tuning. a friend of mine has one and itll battle LS6 vettes and such

ljnowell

In reality guys, the Fbody is no better than the mustang, and the mustang is no better than the fbody. They both have pros and cons, its really just a matter of personal preference. I mean, some fbods are faster than mustangs and some mustangs are faster than fbods. It really just comes down to what you like. As long as you like the car, then it is the best, to you at least.

Orr89RocZ

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yeah, i do realize creature comforts do play a roll.

But a car like this is a sports car and the only creature comforts that matter are decent stereo, handling on rails, and tunnel vision acceleration. LOL, thats just me. I guess I am not one of those "smoother general populous" types. There are other models in manufacturers line ups that satisfy your "lace on your panties" mentality. LOL lmao

LOL, I happen to like the interior of the thirdgens better than 4th gen except the seats. 4th gens arent bad looking on the inside. of the few mustang interiors i have seen, but never been in, it looks the same to me. All interiors look the same to me unless your talking Big Money cars like benz bmw, etc.

Just give me the wheel, cd player, shifter, gas/brake, and some guages and I am good to go!!! :rockon:

ljnowell

Thats the truth, any car, as long as its fast, and not a mopar.

Avenger007

Ya i agree with you about what i want the car to be. although almost everyone ive shown my trashed up firebird to they immediatly respond with...wow wat a pos. In my eyes i see what it will become and how much potential it has. most dont appreciate these cars like we do. i dont really care how my interior looks as long as it works and the car moves (fast). but nowadays when i read fbody reviews all i see is..it rides harsh, no rear seat room, trunk space..yada yada yada. WHO CARES! i think it was the 1967 or 69 vette that they completely removed the trunk lid so it doesnt even open (the split window sting rays). these cars arent what people think theyre sposed to be. and its sad that they expect my fbody to be fast AND function like a big 'ol ford taurus. Im more than happy tho so its all good. screw the regular joes...give back to the true fans ('06 camaro)

stu

The reason people care about comfort levels, is because now you can have both. Why would I want to drive some rattly POS when I could have another car that is just as fast that doesn't feel like I'm driving a can of Campbells soup with some nails in it.

nick418

I agree with AVG, I mean i read all these reviews on Camaros and they always say like it doesnt have Enough storage room or it doesnt have enuff room in the back and like the driver side is uncomfortable and all this crap. Com on these cars arent SUVs, These Cars imo are muscle/pony cars. There performance cars at good cheap money not some Ford Taurus.

25thmustang

This explains why... You can have it all today, and although it costs a bit of money, it is still possible to look good, go fast, handle well, and be comfortable all in one car!

Orr89RocZ

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Well yeah of course you can have it all if you spend money on a car. what makes someone think that you cant have it all in a older car? Nothing that new cars offer stock can compete with a modded car. A car modded by you is creating a vehicle with everything you like in it.

I mean, no factory production car is perfect. To many people in the world that all have different tastes and preferences. Thats what the aftermarket is for. To get rid of what you dont like or add to things you do like. Interior not nice enough for ya? Well get new seats, new material, new carpet, new colors or whatever. Thats the whole point in owning a older car and restoring it. Its not suppose to be a POS ratty box. its suppose to be a project that once completed, is a respectable automobile.

I dont know about the rest of you, but I would buy a car based on performance and looks, as well as aftermarket support. There will never be a perfect car that I can buy from factory EXCEPT a Lambo or Ferrari. But they cost so much cuz everything is modded to a point of upmost luxary and performance. A pinnacle if you will of an automobile.


There is nothing that new cars can offer over old cars except more different body styles. Every thing else can be modded to make a new old car. NOS, new old school. Similar Idea of new car based on parts, but originated from older times.

Just my opinion

Jer82Z28

link is down??
can anyone host it again??

m8d2run

I think the Z held on to the lead all the way until the video stopped. Crustangs suck A..
Also listen to the exhaust, and look at the fog lights and rims.
that was not a GT it was a Cobra. and the Cobra's of that make were highly over rated. I raced my brother 97 Cobra black exactly like the one in the video and i stayed with him with no problem. He used to brag about it being hand built and having 305 hp, until we race on the freeway from 65 and i pulled on him about 2 1/2 cars, we hit 120 before he shut it down.
the car was sold soon after the race... He says he didn't want it anymore
The BLACK MONSTER KICKED HIS ***
HIS: BLACK 97 5sp Mustang Cobra (stock)
Mine: at the time of the race:
BLACK 92 5.7 350 CAMARO
HYPERTECH STAGE 2 CHIP
FLOWMASTER EXHAUST
K & N FILTERS
:lala:

pasky

My opinion:

The mustange sells well because its priced adequately. They look sporty so a lot of parents buy them for thier kids, I don't know how many teeange girls I see around here in v6 mustangs, too damn many. The GT's gave you relatively good performance at a nice cost.

Why werent the camaros outselling the mustangs? I say just look at a fourthgen camaro and you'll answer your question. The only good looking fourthgen in my eyes is a ws6 98+ but they aren't in the same price range and didn't appeal to everyone price wise.

Not all consumers are about faster.

stu

I don't know how many times I have to tell people on car enthusiast boards that they are the smallest percentage of the people who buy the cars they are into, and the major determining factor of production is economics. It's getting kind of old.

Orr89RocZ

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True, i do think it could be a Cobra instead. That would be even more impressive. Defenately not a 99+ GT but a stock GT from the 90's are slow. Both cars probly slightly modded in my opinion.

Stu, economics does play the important role but that is based on consumers preferances and if they buy the car or not. We do make up abig part of the Thirgen Crowd cuz this is what this site is all about. But granted there are lots more out there who arent on message boards either.

Nic

No guys, that wasn't a Cobra of any year or a 94 - 95 GT. That was a 96 - 98 GT, like I explained earlier in this thread.

Orr89RocZ

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It could have been cuz look at this. 96 cobra has same Round fog light front end setup and the exhaust tips exposed just like the one in the video.

96-98 GT has different fog lights, not round but more rectangle like.

Also 96 cobra has vertical taillights just like the one in the video. so its probly a cobra.

How can you tell otherwise than buy those features? LOL


http://www.classicmustang.com/includ...onvertible.htm

Avenger007

the gts had vertical taillights from 95-on also not just cobras. And btw that convertible being sold for 21 grand!!? What a rip. Why spend that kind of money on that lame generation of mustangs. Who cares how many miles, I could buy an 02 svt for practically that much. just my .02

Orr89RocZ

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yeah, but the stock GT's had rectangle fog lights, while cobras got the round big ones. Check out the video with the mustang. it clearly has round foglights and cobra rims.

I found another video from those dallas street racers of a cobra doing a burnout and I believe its the same car as in the Camaro video. Both look the same, sound the same, and are in the same general location so is possible it was a COBRA!! thats awesome!! LOL

ljnowell

Isnt anyone thinking about the obvious? Of every 5 cobras I see in my area, about 2 of them are real. I know at least 3 people myself that have taken mustang GT's and mocked cobras. Just like us thirdgenners. I have seen lots of SC's made into IROC's. Its just the nature of the game. You really cant tell what the hell is in the video, without looking at the actual car.

Orr89RocZ

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true it could be clone and i did think about that but didnt mention that LOL. My guess is that is real cuz he is a street racer and they dont mess around with cloning stuff LOL

But based on the second video i found, that car was a cobra, and it might be the same car cuz it was made by same people who made the camaro video.

megaracerx

have you found any info on the Z?

m8d2run

Like I said its a Cobra unless you were there
And like I said I'm not at all impressed with the crustangs
stock 305 hp, I should not be able to stay on the door of a cobra
and beat on the freeway with roughly 265-275 hp
Chevy's Rule:hail:
And remember the 390 SC Cobra's are fast indeed for about
$37,000...............Take a 2002 SS for $29,000 spen the extra on
a SC and what do you have????????????
Something the ford guys can't touch.....................
:hail:

stu

When you grow up you'll learn that HP isn't everything. Nice try with the "I'll just spend the extra money I saved on the cheaper car to make mine faster" arguement. People who can actually afford a car that expensive like warranties.

m8d2run

well dumb *** people that buy muscle cars aren't worried about the warranty....speed matters with these cars. And for a serious speed fan the car won't stay stock long regardless of what car you buy as long as it passes smog
and Hp is whats going to keep those pesky **** rockets and idiots like you from winning a stop light race or what ever. suspension is very important but straight line performance you need HP

megaracerx

i think we need to keep cocky ppl like you from winning...no need to turn this into a locked board..which it will be if this continues.


n00b