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Old 06-25-2004, 09:36 PM
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Could i beat a Dodge Stealth

Alright guys, a brother or a friend of my sister gets his license in july this year. His stupid *** wants to race me. Would i win? I think i have the upper hand in this fight, dont i?

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Suposedly have a Shift kit(two sources saying i have one)
Suposedly Have aftermarket runner(we found the circumference of my runners and a friends stock 350 runners and mine were a bit bigger)

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A misadjusted tv cable is not a shift kit. All the time you've owned the car it didnt have a shift kit correct? Trans' dont grow them you know.



Back to the subject. Irc the stealth is a 17 second car.
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Well, it really all depends on what model it is, i believe there was one with 160hp one with 220hp and one with twin turbo with 300 some hp. if its the first one youll definitly beat it and if its the second it should be close but i still think youll win. Good luck.
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The TV cable was replaced yesterday, the valve body was cleaned and stuff was checked, fluid was changed, and it still shifts very firm. I have a shift kit man.
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sure you do. Just because you did a service on the tranny and it still doesnt seem normal, that doesnt mean that it has a shift kit. It means that it is still screwed up man. You will lose. Because you are you.
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but the mechanic also commented and said it was a newer looking valve body, didn't seem as old as the car. I dont know what that means but i'm guessing someone replaced the vlavle body with something better, my only guess.
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well best way to find out is to race him dont just race people that you will beat get out there and race who cares if you lose or not

on the shift kit subject... just because people say you have one doesnt mean that you do... firm shifting can be alot of things... but that would mean the previous owner put it on and what mods where really done? not many it looks i dont think they would have put a shift kit into a car they didnt do work to
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Originally posted by ljnowell
You will lose. Because you are you.
lmao

yeah, chances are he has one of the lower hp stealth's, and it should be no contest. but ljnowell's prediction might have something to it...
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well my runners are larger then normal, and my shifts are firmer. The air filter is not sotkc however it is the stock gay *** air cleaner. My step-dad put the cat back and ditricutor coil on. I'm putting the headers, CAI, air foil, and everything else on.




There might be more work to it then i know of. Myabe its why i feel that my car is faster then it should be. My man chris has a 91 l98 Z28 and says mine pulls harder then his did when brand new. His is currently apart in his garage instlaling a 383 and everything.





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Your man chris doesnt know what hes talking about nor does the d00d who took a look at the trans.


How larger are your runners?

Who DOES have a stock air filter?

Does the car have a tranny cooler?

The air foil will do nothing besides spend some of your money.

You seriously need to get away from these people who fix your car for free and go to a real mechanic who knows what hes talking about.
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You will lose. Because you are you.


Originally posted by br()bert
Your man chris doesnt know what hes talking about nor does the d00d who took a look at the trans.
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some stealths are like 3800 lbs..
pretty heavy cars.

either way, race him and sit beside him and rev your engine. make him pee his panties
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ok am i missing something here because you guys are bagging on him hard and he is just trying to tell you guys what he thinks he has. How does anyone of you know that he dosent have a shift kit for sure and it was installed before he got it, excatly you dont. and yes you will win unless it is the AWD twin turbo then i think you will lose.
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ok am i missing something here because you guys are bagging on him hard and he is just trying to tell you guys what he thinks he has. How does anyone of you know that he dosent have a shift kit for sure and it was installed before he got it, excatly you dont. and yes you will win unless it is the AWD twin turbo then i think you will lose.
First off im not bagging on anyone.,Do a search using his user name and you will see pretty fast why i said everything i have said.

Im done with this thread anyway, I dont see any good coming from it and i would like to stay away from my probation officer.


Good luck with the race and your car man. IF you do race him let me know how it turns out.
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The reason everyone bags on him is that this "shift kit" grew itself into his trans. He posts that one day out of the blue his trans starts shifting hard, and since its not the cable, he has a shift kit. They dont just magically appear.
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no i stated before i never knew my shifts were hard. My buddy chris came with me and told me it shifts vhard cause i got a shift kit. I never knew that my "hard" shifts were actually hard.
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There might be more work to it then i know of. Myabe its why i feel that my car is faster then it should be. My man chris has a 91 l98 Z28 and says mine pulls harder then his did when brand new. His is currently apart in his garage instlaling a 383 and everything.


And there is the rub folks...another d00d who "feels" his car is fast. How many times have I heard someone say..."my car FEELS like it runs 12's..." or 11's...or 10's... I guess you will win even if you lose cuz it "feels" like your car is fast. Mine pulls fast too. Because its been built to do that. My guess is that if he has any experience at all in street racing or track racing, you will lose....Good luck and buckle in baby...


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just take that **** to a track or a dyno the dyno will let you know what your making might be expensive but seeing all the stuff you have nbeen doing u have the money the track should prove some things most likely what i think that it isnt as fast as the 91 Z since they are 14 sec cars and u got a 15 sec

2nd and yet again just fu4kin race him dont ask race .. when ur crusing at night and a nice lookin sports import pulls up next to you you dont say.... hold on let me go on TGO and ask if ill win... you either race or you dont
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3 levels of stealth:

Stealth lvl 1: SOHC V6 (170hp)
Stealth lvl 2: DOHC V6 (220ish)
Stealth R/T: DOHC TT V6 (300hp)

which one?
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his sister said he got it cheap, gotta be lower2, guessing the simple one. Since she said he said "its pretty slow now, but wait till i get a turbo"

The kinda r!cer to believe a turbo can save everything.

the d00d has no job, no money for a turbo, i doubt one is to come anytime soon. I'll race his ***. And i'll take his money.

He thinks he can beat my car for some reason. I've seen the car, it doesn't have a turbo, you cant hear it. He is just gettign his licesne, lately i've been gettign used to manually shifting my tranny. Its pretty fun.




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Originally posted by therckid
lately i've been gettign used to manually shifting my tranny. Its pretty fun.




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whats so uhoh. I didn't like how when i floored it it shifted at 5k rpm, so i make it shift at 3700-4000rpm.
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the d00d has no job, no money for a turbo, i doubt one is to come anytime soon. I'll race his ***. And i'll take his money.
Imagine how cocky he would be with a real shift kit.
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cocky, i'm not cocky, i just need money, i dotn care if its only $20.


By the time we race i'mm have enough done to the car for a very good race.

The edlebrock headers, i'm in the process of completely porting and gasket matching. Yes it is my first tiem but i'm doing a good job so far.

My CAI is going on at the same time.

Air Foil is in the Mail

I'm thinking soon i'll be putting on 1.6 rockers, prolly aluminum, new springs seats and stuff, get my heads ported; tiny bits at a time.

Then eventually move up in cam size. I gotta ask one question though, does cam really affect Fuel Economy that much?


I'm at the point where i found out money dont grow on trees and every dollar counts. So tiny mods at a time are what i'm gonna do.





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Your air foil wont do crap

Cam is a great performance mod IF you get the correct one.
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Well i dunno what cam is good. I dont want too much lift, and idont want too much duration.

I want to be able to pcik uop and go, as well as go while in upper RPM's.

I get that there are high torque cams, and high rpm cams, i just dont know which i should get.

I'd need new springs, a seaters. Lots of stuff. I just aint got enough knowledge to knwo what i should get.
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I have an air foil. Not sure how much performance it provides if any, im sure it upped the CFM if even a little. But mine came with the engine when I bought it, so never bothered to take it off. Headers will help you out tons. Be sure to do the drivers side first. If it slips right on....be afraid.....be very afraid. It means the passenger is gonna be one hell of a bitch.
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lol alright man. I have d00ds form the local f-body club helping me with the headers. it shouldn't be too hard. Be a great learning experience.
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Really, the hardest part is just getting all the bolts tight. You will be screaming and cursing at the passenger side.
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check my post on stealth TT vs my L98. I just edged him out. If it was a dead even start, it would have been nose to nose all the way out. with a 305 he may get u but you have some mods so should hang alittle while if not win. they are heavy. As for the other two stealths, roast them man.

As for a cam, I think somewhere around 206-210 intake deration and 214-220 exhaust deration (at .050 lift) with lift around .450 to .480. Crane and comp cams make cams in these specs so matter of picking on. Get it on Lobe seperation angle of 114 degrees cuz better for fuel injection but 112 is good to. Also get a custom chip burnt. You will benefit hugely from these two mods.

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update, today, 30-45 minutes ago i bought a l98. For $100, 165k miles, and ran good. I'm gonan rebuild it and instlal it in the coming months.
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congrats, L98 will benefit you much more than that 305.

whats the plans for the L98? street motor probably. so much possibility with 350. Is it from a F-body or vette? As for a cam same idea for street cam as i said before. I guess staying TPI with your runners?

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yeah the l98 is a great build up. I'm gonna get it to a 355, most likely, maybe 383, but i doubt it. and then get a nice Lt4 Hot Cam Equivilent, witha much nicer idle and use it. Maybe switch to LT1 injection, i dont know. If i goto 383 it will be LT1. I've just got so many possibilities now.
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Id trash the tpi and go carb. Much easier to get more power in the upper rpm with carb then it is with tpi.
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yeah thats why i like Lt1.
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i've decided that i will stroke it to a 383, and then Lt1, the 383 will amke up for the loss in low RPM power because of the Lt1's runners, and damn the car will be fast.




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might be time to get a shift kit. I hope I am alive to see it happen, you seem to be a little slow to getting a project completed.
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383 and LT1 is awesome. you are right about that. Torque and high rpm horsepower. perfect blend. check ebay, I see LT1 intakes already configured for old style small blocks all the time. Good luck with it. It will be sweet.
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First off d00d, post the casting off the block your buying. Alot of people try to sell 305's as 350's.
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Yes you could beat a stealth.

What model stealth?

How well is it maintained? How well is your car running?

How well can you or him drive?


I hope he got himself a TT and he's talking about getting a 'better' turbo.....meanwhile you don't know what you are racing and you ruin your car with your manual shifting antics.

I just talked to a guy who said he was buying his son a VR-4 for $5,000. With 53k on it....that's almost unbelievable unless it's a total ratbox. ...ofcourse the 60k service is due! fun...

keep shifting manually, it's good for the trans!
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keep shifting manually, it's good for the trans!
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i dont do it all the time, i just do it when i feel like doing it. Like when i'm going down a road thats never patrolled and i wanna floor it.
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went out with my flash light

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all i could see...




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Old 06-30-2004, 06:41 PM
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whats so uhoh. I didn't like how when i floored it it shifted at 5k rpm, so i make it shift at 3700-4000rpm.
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look,

shift kit bs = , they don't give you that much
runners= , unless you have tb and a lower manifold they don't give you that much either
and the biggest of them all= that stealth, tell him to put his money where his mouth is and burn his ***. if by any chance the stealth actually is a TT and he actually can drive it well enough to beat you (keep in mind the whole new driver thing and TT's are manual) I will come down from MD myself to come light his *** on fire.

and as far as the L98 motor, good investment. remember, most bolt ons once again = and have small or negligable gains. get yourself a TPIS largemouth base(or hsr, or lt1), ZZ9 cam, a 52mm tb, and portmatch everything, you should be at over 350 hp by then with the right intake/exaust. drive that combo around for a while and the decide where to go next.
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Someone doesnt have a clue wth he's talking about..
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Old 06-30-2004, 10:37 PM
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Originally posted by br()bert
Someone doesnt have a clue wth he's talking about..
I hope your not refering to me cause I've been down the bolt on road several sxpensive times and I know alot about what works and what might only be worth like 2-3hp ar 1-2 tenths on the quarter mile. I've wasted lots of money in the past on fancy mods that just kept my car slow.

and now the last two projects I've embarked on have worked out very well for pretty cheap. but if you really want to talk crap go ahead, and while your at it just keep dumpin' your cash into the flashy junk you see every one else getting

*p.s. I'm usually at the track almost every week so I get to see firsthand what combos work*
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Old 06-30-2004, 10:45 PM
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a blower is a bolt on.

So are headers.

So are manifolds.

List goes on and on.


Shift kits dont give you much?




You talk crap about stuff that alot of people on here have done to make their car go faster and talk about port matching? Give me a break!

Also since your at the track often, whats your car run? Just wondering.

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I'm talking mor about junk like airfoils, most brands of tpi runners(you've gotta portmatch the upper and lower manifolds to take advantage of them anyway), 95% of aftermarket chips, and most brands of mufflers(alot of them may have 3" inlets/outlets but the internal diamiters are alot less). and btw my trans does have a shift kit, tci servos, and a .500 pressure valve. They diddn't make me faster, there helping stop my 400ci motor from turning the 700 trans into an asbestos and metal shaving soup.

I've just gotten into the habit of when I wanna go fast, I cut to the quick and mod what actually needs to be modded
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Originally posted by br()bert

Also since your at the track often, whats your car run? Just wondering.
14.37@94.78 on a 90degree day, full tank, and 200lbs in the well to eliminate almost all spin to run brackets. I know I can get it faster with less weight but when you stay consistant and win at brackets thats money in the bank


btw, $$$ of car+mods is still under $2000:lala:

*no nos either, running nos at the brackets w/o a fully automated system is just dumb*

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