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Jocww, you really don't want to include the 70's in your statement, hell after 72 nothing was very impressive once smog killed the power wars. Also most of the smallblocks, your mustangs, camaros, novas, whatever with 289/302/305/350/351 were not that fast, (I am not saying that most small block third gens are I think most are equally slow). There is this over fascination with the muscle car era that everything made was a 1/4 mile killer. Let me research some 1/4 mi times on some of these cars and I will post them.

 

Well Chris, after 50 posts on a thirdgen board we have seen both good and bad prospects of both our cars, I would just like to know one thing, why is this getting you so mad?

 

Hey everyone, just was at a friends house and had some old pictures of the car from the early 90's when my dad was still here, but anywho here she is the picture really dosnt do any justice

 

Hey, i think it sounds like a good kill...some people seem to be ragging on it saying oh well you got lucky this or something happeened that...a friend of mine at school has a 71 chevelle w/ a 396..headers and full exhast. Yah the thing is a boat but still that should have some decent power. anyways my friend and i went to lunch in his 91 5.0 poopstang and raced him light to light...we smoked him i was like why would something so slow beat something so nice...oh well you have my CONGRATS

 

Everyone who dosn't beileve this and that, please if you are ever in surrey BC i will take you for a ride, I know personally i can change your mind

 

Here are a few basic 0-60 and 1/4 times that I could find off hand. Note out of some of the fast cars I could find big blocks included the stock 3rd gen is still on top of this formidable list. Yeah it was a special edition 3rd gen but so were many of the fastest cars of the 60's-70's. Pretty much any big block after 71 was a dog. This gives a pretty good sampling of 60's musclecars though.


1990 Pontiac Formula Firehawk 4.9 13.4
1969 Plymouth GTX 440 5.8 13.7
1967 Chevrolet Corvette L71 5.6 13.8
1969 Oldsmobile 4-4-2 HO 455ci 5.9 13.9
1968 Chevrolet Corvette 427 6.3 14.1
1970 Chevrolet Corvette 427 6.1 14.3
1973 Pontiac Firebird 455ci 7.3 15.0
1973 Dodge Charger SE 440ci 7.4 15.2
1974 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 8.1 15.4
1967 Chevrolet Camaro SS-350 8.0 15.4
1968 Chevrolet Corvette 327 7.7 15.6
1974 Buick Regal 455ci 8.5 16.7
1973 Buick Riviera 455ci 9.6 17.2

 

Ok here more specifically to topic see there performance at bottom of this history.

Comments: 1970 saw the introduction of the most powerful Chevelle SS of all time. Responding to the lifting of GM's ban on engines larger than 400 cid in midsize cars, Chevrolet responded by dropping in a new 454 cubic engine into its Chevelle SS. The entry level 454 was known as the LS5 and packed 360bhp. The top engine choice was the LS6 version with 450bhp. The LS6 had a 800-cfm Holley four barrel on an aluminum manifold, 11.25:1 compression, solid lifters, four-bolt mains, forged steel crank and connecting rods, forged aluminum pistons, and deep-groove accessory pullies. No production engine ever had a higher factory horsepower rating. The standard Chevelle SS 396 continued with its 402 cid engines, although the 325bhp was dropped and the 350bhp version was now standard. Optional on both the 396 and 454 was a new cowl-induction hood, which had a rear facing flapper near the base of the windshield to feed air into the engine. The styling was new with a "vee" front end, functional hood pins, and five-spoke Rallye wheels. This was truly the pinnacle of the Chevelle SS performance.

Production: 53,599
Engines: L34 402 V8 350bhp@5200rpm, 415lb-ft@3400. 402 V8 375bhp@5600rpm, 415lb-ft@3600rpm. LS5 454 V8 360bhp@5400rpm, 500lb-ft@3200rpm. LS6 454 V8 450bhp@5600rpm, 500lb-ft@3600rpm.
Performance: LS6 454/450: 0-60 in 6.1 sec, 1/4 mile in 13.7 sec @ 103mph.

 

What does the owner of a 11.25:1 compression motor that expects leaded gas, do for fuel these days?

 

exactly what i do...... Nothing 110 octane for me on race day

 

Spinning or not, mph shouldn't be that greatly effected (only E.T.) by a bad 60ft, and if a stock Ls6 is only trapping 103 and a stock LS1 traps 107 (look in muscle car review for 98 trans am 6 speed not sure which issue exactly) then the argument of a stock LS6 creaming any newer muscle car is lame.

 

http://www.autofacts.ca/classics/fast.htm this list has it trapping 107.but im sure it was track tuned before chevy let it be tested

 

Who's mad? This is an entertaining debate. I like literature in any form I can take it.

Its amusing to note that I've made a positive effect on your forum grammar as well. Keep up the good work buddy, and remember, sentence fragments are your ENEMY!

 

According to that list, the 99 Formula trapped 108

 

yep. there were a couple ls1's faster by that list

 

I agree, with you chris, this is a very intresting debat, we both have our points, and by no means am I putting a 4th gen down at all but i would rather have my chevelle over one any day faster or not, sorry if I have mad any attempts to put you down i ussually get a little hot headed over issues liek this.

 

Its all good Everybody has their own opinion that they are sure is the right one when it comes to bench racing, me especially

When it comes down to it, we are all just car lovers, and any muscle car is better than none at all Check out my cardomain when you get bored, I have some good pictures of the fireturd. I'd like to see some more of your chevelle too:

pictures of my fireturd

 

moral of the story is, it wasn't an LS6, i doubt it was even a big block.

Back in high school there was a kid with a 69 chevelle that was an SS clone. Looked just like an SS, it sounded pretty throaty too(open headers) turns out it was a 307. hell my LG4 walked all over it.

You don't have anyway of telling what motor was in there, and winning by less than a car length isn't "raping" anyone. I bet it was probably a small block.

I think its funny that you people don't think an 11.25:1 compression 454 with forged internals, a solid cam, decent heads, and high rise intake 4.11 gears, and an 800cfm holley with only a 300lb handicap isn't going to walk all over a mildly built 350 in a thirdgen.

 

I live in Surrey BC.

 

so are u saying that a turbo trans am will beat my neighbors L88 cuz if it is do you wanna meet somewhere stock for stock of course. and what about the 396 novas and the hemi cudas and the boss 429s and the rat pack 440 editions or the v8 monzas the list goes on. true the hp went to s h i t after 72 but the hp was still in the s h i t hole untill the lt1. the only reason why the grammer sucks is because i am lazy an dont like to hit the shift key to capitalize every sentence. anyway iroc hows teh model a. ours has just got a good vacuming

 

Im waiting for my Dad to get his 34 coupe out of the way so I can start on the frame work...

Plus Ive been working on my IROC and looking at other cars to buy lately and working so I dont have a lot of time anyway...

 

lol watching you guys bicker is funny. for all you ls1 defenders shure its fast yeah its good but i am a ls6 defender and know the true power of a 454. as a kid my dad had (and still does have) a 69 camaro ls6 454 4 speed manual and let me tell you what we just bought a 72 nova with a 383 it runs probly a low 12 n/a and it feels like a dog next to that 454. im talk stock everything 454 ls6 with 4.11 gears and 9 inch slicks with skinnes out front running low to mid 11's no bull**** i mean when you floor the car it feels like you are a toy car and someone just kicked the car in its ***. i need no persuadeing 70LS6Droptop i know the power of these motors and if any of you hot shots want proff ill tryand find old time slips these motors mean business and no ls1 6 speed trash will rock these cars they might beat our l03 on 120k with leaky valve guides but not the 454 for all you doubters take a ride in a true 454 SS ls6 4-speed and you will have a newfound respect
*EDIT when i say stock everything i mean stock exaust form the engine back and no bolt ons a stock ls6 no chassis mods either just skinnes,slicks out back and 4.11 gears*

 

hey u wanna sell me ur A cuz i wanna do a hot rod and i dont think dad wants to hot rod his just keep his show room stock.

 

Hate to be the first one to tell you this, but grammar involves a little bit more than capitalizing the first word in a sentence.

 

So adding slicks and skinnies takes a car that is well documented to run 13's at around 105mph to low 11's at probably 115mph+? Have any other fairy tales? Are these magic tires? Did he buy them from the same place Jack bought his bean stalk beans from?:lala:

 

do you get off to insulting people are you just a ********? do you understand that a 69 camaro with 4.11's 3.5 inch wide front tires and 9 inch slicks on draglites all around going thorugh a 4 speed gear box in a car thats about 600 pounds lighter than a so called "tank gonig to be faster?" and your quick at the touge it seems to me your just a ****ing nusence bashing everything you hear ok you know what i wolnt flame ill just leave it alone its not my fault you dont understandthe consept of weightwhen applyed toa car velle 3600 pounds camaro weighting 2800 (race weight with driver) with a motor rated at this much power will run a 11?perposterous! you sir are talkin out your ***. heres a quote for you "LS6 454 V8 450bhp@5600rpm, 500lb-ft@3600rpm" i thik 500 foot pounds of torque in a 69 camro will run a 11 with slicks and skinnies just cuase its not your car its bs i bet if you ran an 11 i would say good job man. oh no but not you "oh **** man its gota be a lie its imposable its not my car or anyone i know lets bash the thing!" ok know what i had to vent sorry but know what man you dont have to write two bashing posts in a row so what i know it runs 11's and thats me ive seen the time slips ive been in the car and you wana call bs go ahead let me qutoe the velle guy for you and you just think about this ok?"put slicks on my 70 chevelle and with full exaust and at 3890 pounds it will put down 12.40's all day" ill end it with that if you dont think it runs 11s thats your opinion but think like this a 3500 pound f body with a mere 305hp at the wheels runs what a high 12 on slicks. what? a car half the weight twice the power run a 11? INSANE! also shaved mirros fiberglass hood bumbers and trunk lid with no spare tire ,jack no a/c i think you get my drift think twice before you insult me again cuase you dont know the full details of the car nor do you know about what its got done to it. and if its so slow why isnt your car faster?

 

Finnally a true beilever!, all i wanted was to get my point accross that the guy with WS6 TA who started this post did not beat a 454 LS6 or a 454 LS5 becasue anyone who ever visits wonderful BC can come on over ill fire her up and tkae you aorund the block, i can show you what 4000 pounds of metal can do, and i bet i can hurt ur neck!

 

hell yea. u put it to the floor and i bet u cant touch the dam dash.sorry but those ****in true ls6 454 and ls5 454 are insane.true power. im sorry but u would have troble with a ls3 396 .

 

would you guys like me to find him and ask him what's under the hood? all i know is that it was a black 1970 Chevelle SS. it had stock rims on it, not sure what kind of tires. it had a pretty decent cam in it and it had a very nice Flowmaster tone.. 40's i'm guessing.

honestly, i really don't care that i beat him, you guys can speculate what's under his hood all you want, noone really knows except him. hell it might have been a smallblock, i don't know. either way, plain and simple (back the origonal topic) we raced and i beat him with my T/A.


Geez, you guys whine more than my ex GF.

 

This is what I hear: "blah blah blah me needs to take English 101, blah blah blah, I likes to bench race cars I don't own, blah blah blah, my piece of **** camaro runs 16's so it makes me feel better to be a nutswinger.....blah blah blah blah more bench racing...blah blah....and ect.."

#1-Bench Racing is gay. Its funny the argument keeps coming back to "if you think its so slow then race it in your firebird" which is amusing because out of the majority of people that have posted in this thread, I'm probably one of the FEW with REAL time slips, which are posted on my website.

#2-Don't try to "flame" somebody back unless you have something intelligent to say, or at the bare minimum, take an extra 5 minutes to edit your post for grammar and spelling. Why make yourself look like an even bigger jackass??

#3-You are full of crap 91teaRS. Go back and read your original post, you stated this:

"im talk stock everything 454 ls6 with 4.11 gears and 9 inch slicks with skinnes out front running low to mid 11's .."

Ok, then in you last post you stated this:

"what? a car half the weight twice the power run a 11? INSANE! also shaved mirros fiberglass hood bumbers and trunk lid with no spare tire ,jack no a/c i think you get my drift"

Sounds like somebody stuck their foot in their mouth. Not sure when everybody starting defining "stock everything" as a gutted race car with fiberglass body and slicks/skinnies, but that is pretty damn far from stock in my book.

Grow up kid, and don't get so angry, its just a "friendly" argument. Its really lame to suck up to somebody else's car, before you post some junk like that again, tell us all what your mighty L03 TBI RS runs. ....and chill the **** out

 

PM me where in Surrey you live and maybe I can stop by and check it out.

 

I figured out why I like reading arguments (read: debates) on car forums. It puts together two of my favorite shows:

Horsepower TV and Jerry Springer.

 

Ok yes i was a bit crankey and yes i was a bit rude sorry to insultand i dont want it to happen again but its not a gutted race car just hood bumbers and rear hatch are fiberglass along with the spoilers its got a full stock 69 z28 interior and it has all but a/c. my lo3 is mighty and a dily driver it serves its perpose its geting a 2500 budget build to run a low 13.0 on the juice i dont need a super fast car i already have one =) Mid to low 12's run by the pervious owner 383 with 10:1 mean bump stick (very rough ide edebrock perfromer rpm with 750 cfm carb 67 cc heads with 202/160 hooker longtubers to strait pipes on true dual flowmasters ending before the rear end houseing its the weekend bruser

 

now, thers a sexxy car.

there is a 71 for sale here for $1500 w/o engine.. i might have to pick it up for another project car...

 

Synapsis I figured out why I like reading arguments (read: debates) on car forums. It puts together two of my favorite shows:

Horsepower TV and Jerry Springer.


lol!!! word!!!!

 

While i'm sure your dad's dragged out 69 camaro could run 11's with an ls6 454 under the hood. I'm equally sure it did not come stock with the ls6 since 1970 was the first year chevy produced the 454.

 

The LS6 only came in the the chevelle and corvette in 1970!

 

As i think i stated the guy before us put the motor in and was selling it cuase he was afrid of the car. when my pop went to test drive the car he was going so fast the guy was grabing the dash like it was a roller coster we put the slicks,skinnes ,4.11 gears and fiberglass goodies on. Its painted "Le Mans" Green with two white z/28 stripes we picked and got a friend to spray on the color. The car is curently in storeage untill we clear out our driveway out we have quite a few. 91 RS 85 SC 92 Blazer 97 1500 Utilty Body and a 72 Nova. We need to sell the SC and Blazer so we can park the Z and make room for my younger brother for when he gets a car hopefuly a thirdgen! anywho im off topic so ill end it here lol

 

Man, what happened? I'm gone for a few days and all hell breaks loose on the board....

Can't we all just get along????



Hey now!!! I aint snobby

but I do love 70 Chevelles. I had one a few years ago that had a 427 in it and ran high 11's and the suspension wasn't even close to being setup right And also had a 250hp cheater NOS kit on it for "random" usage

but I'd have to say I love my LS1 also

 

I said most owners are snobby, not all. Go out to your local cruise spot on a Friday or Saturday night and tell me with a straight face that most of the LS1 owners aren't 90210 looking bleached blonde hair university momma's boy rich kids . The minority of Ls1 owners that don't fit into this category are usually really cool though.

 

Can't argue with ya there. I do hate the kids that had their LS1 bought for them by Mommy and Daddy I saw on another board a while back a 18yr old kid that got a brand new ram air ta for his graduation times have changed.....back in 83 I got a 64 chevy impala for my graduation present, and it didn't even have a motor/trans

 

hey not all rich kids are snobby.
my parents paid for alot of my stuff not all of it but id say at least half. i paid for the other half and their half i did earn. but either way muscle cars are way cooler than todays car. especially muscle cars with todays trannys

 

well, if it makes you guys any happier, my T/A is sitting in a pile of tranny fluid in my buddies driveway. it won't shift into gear at all and upon dropping the old tranny out we broke my distributer cap off and destroyed my fill tube

 

Sorry to hear of your problems, no it don't make me happy to hear it, I personally think you have a sharp lookin car there.

As far as breaking the dist cap, you must've forgot to take it off before dropping the tranny huh?

 

howd u manage to do all that at one time

 

oops


it's all good now tho, new cap. timings a little off but i still gotta drain out a bunch of fluid and figure out what the hell to do about the shifter cable. it just bends when you push the shifter up to park from reverse, never had a problem before.. maybe i'll pull the pan and adjust the tention arm. dunno, we'll see in the morning....


thanks tho,

Dave

 

new cable would solve it

 

Lol i didnt bring up ls1 owners in fear of geting majorly flamed but they are most of the time 16 with a licence and 310 hp that they harness right in to a wall. prime example this kid we know turned 16 and his mommy and daddy drop 16k so he can have a 1998 z28 with flowmasters. he pays 1k for hood and airbox and then the first day he has the car what does he do? races down a bridge gets scared locks em up and hops the curb cracks to rims and shot his gfx. theres three kinds of ls1 owners 1) Rich kids that have Z28s and SS's 2) Old guys who want a weekend toy and 3) older rich ****** that are the same kids who got 1969 Corvette Stingrays for Turning 16. lol im glad to own a thirdgen we have our own nitch we dont buyem fast me make them fast and hell thats how it is with being a young hot roder without 10k. they (our cars) come in the underdog and you make it a champ.lol these kids from the other side of town or in my case other city with there ls1s and just a k&n filter and blora exaust run 12s and im stuck in the 16's cuase i have to buy my own first car eh who cares they will all be jelous when a "old slow RS" woops up on them muahahahah ok *end rant*

 

Yah, the cable is about a year old so it shouldn't be bad. it developed a funky bend in it when we moved it out of the way of the tranny.

looks like i'm just gonna completely rebuild my old 400 and drop it in now. the one i just put in must be FUBAR.

 

For the owner of the LS6 Chevelle....what altitude are you at? And umm...well... what kinda fuel are you running in it to drive it on the street with unleaded gas?

I've owned more than a few old GM's..my first car was a '67 SS 396 Chevelle w/ 4 speed...

A STOCK '70 LS6 Chevelle, with MODERN street tires and a good tune, good track, good driver will run mid to high 13's with a 4 speed. This is STOCK.

Good set of headers and exhaust were worth almost 3 tenths off that. Now, fatten the carb, jack the back of the hood up a tad to get the cool air into the engine compartment and add some stick tires...high 12's....

I'm sorry...but a STOCK LS-6 454 70 Chevelle will NOT run 12's on street tires, without traction enhancing devices ( slicks, no hop bars, air bags etc )

You've got 2" headers? 2" PRIMARY tube headers? Stock cam? Stock intake? Those headers are overkill...my '67 SS was clocking mid 10's on street slicks when I sold it, and that was with 1 7/8" STahl headers...



And to answer the original poster...nice kill...just keep in mind...

There are MORE "SS 454 Chevelles" on the road NOW, than there were when they were new....

Alot are fakes.


I LOVE the old muslecars...always will...but these cars gets faster and faster in our minds....

Most of 'em won't all that fast out of the box.


Like most people call BS on me when I tell 'em that a STOCK '69 Z/28 was a 14 second car....sad but true...not with tweaking...much different story.

 

don't get me wrong nothing makes my blood pump like a muscle car with a lumpy idle but newer camaros can run mid 13,s and get 21 miles to the gallon not to mention they can handle great and they are a lot safer and they last longer.