gta on juice

i raced against my buddies viper last week.he has the 450hp with some bolt ons.i have an 15years old 350ci tpi shortblock,some mods and..to his suprise an nitrous kit since 2monts or so.i run the 0.070 n2o jets wich are i think good for 150at the wheels.so we staged at a redlight.when the light turned green we let of.i had an solid launch he got a poor one.he catched up in first,then i shifted in 2nd and hit the button,and thats were the massacre began.he shift in 2nd at bout 50miles and at that moment im gone 2 carlengts.then i went into his lane ,we accelerated to about 110 and i stayed ahead.he was ansking what the f.. happend to him,i told him its just a lack of horsepower of the viper:sillylol:

BillZ28

What kind?

twobirds

?I'm not sure what to say to that? Yes, what mods do you have? Plus, the Viper has mods too? Hmmmm...

25thmustang

Sounds fishy but who I am to judge without a mods list? A 150 shot on a stock 350 will be no modded Viper killer!

Lets hear the mods and we can see how this should have gone!

Mad-Mic

i agree lets hear the mods!

i'm thinking more like a 200 shot total. he did say a 150 shot to the wheels. still though i don't think that will beat a modded viper atleast not the way he says. 245 stock hp L98 (if it's newer) + 200 = 445 hp

we need to hear the mods part NOW!

gta on juice

the viper had actually only k&ns.my some mods are custom ramair,modded maf,all intake parts ported,had hookers but not anymore,cutout,cat deleted and custom exhaust with dynomax mufflers and an afpr.this should be enough for lets say 280 at the flywheel(everybody agree?).gearing is 3.73.carweight is 3300pounds(its veery weight reduced)vs3700stock.and the nitrous jetting is more like 220flywheel hp according to a jetsize/hp calculator.ok so less weight than the viper more hp why not possible?

Icedfire01

I dont know. Even with those mods, it still sounds pretty fishy. dont get me wrong, I'm not saying you are a liar. I just dont think some one with intake and exhaust could take out a viper with just k&n's. Besides, are you sure thats all he has? Most people that can afford a viper have plenty of money not to keep them stock. Oh well. $.02 my friends

rubbermanZ28

Im not calling you a lair either but hmmmm

Either way good win.

roko786

good kill anyway!!!!!

gta on juice

the guy connot afford more mods i know that cus hes my buddy.i didnt say i declased him he just got a poor launch and wasnt able to catch up til 3rd gear.at about 100mph he slowly begins to gain on me but it wasnt enough.ive seen running 450hp vipers running high12s/low13s with bad launches.i wouldnt lie for sure,if he had killed me i would post it no problem.the car runs great even wo nitrous,my friends ls1 z28 with lower gear ratio than me has got big trouble beating me in the eightmile.in the quartermile its another story im realistic.i just have an car that runs pretty good for that what it is.i know an mostly stock,nitrousd l98 is a bunch of crap compared to every modded viperblock,but it sometimes can handle a stock vipermotor.and my friend sure has only k&ns and couldnt afford more mods cus he ran out of money.

SLP_GTA

iTrader: (1)

would have been a good race if he had the same holeshot. But I see no reason to wave the flag.
If you have been in a nitrous car you know what I mean

25thmustang

I have been in a nitrous car and yes they do pull. My dads LX with minor bolt-ons and a 175 shot pulled dead even with a Procharged LS1 with a few bolt-ons! Nitrous is great and with a 225 shot I could see a modded L98 run with a Viper. If the guy cant drive he could have a 13 second Viper!

rubbermanZ28

I never said it was Bs, i just kinda asked, are you sure your not jerking our chain....it sounds like he is telling the truth, like i said before, good kill either way man

gta on juice

wow guys its really hard to make you believe that one.ok im sometimes sceptical too.i posted this one more like how i surprised him,cus when i ran na he killed me badly.then i got the an 125shot installed and could go with him till 60.above 60 he was the man.now i went 200shot or so and it looks really bad for him.i dont kill him hands down but he has a veeery hard opponent now.however my next posting in this forum will be with a video,so there wont be any doubts.

Icedfire01

ok, well, you need to show us the video, cause guys, our gta on juice just made a new topic about e.t. times. In this post he says that he's thinking about stroker motors cause he want to show his ls1 friend "how its done." If you can beat a viper and not an lt1, something seems very FISHY!!!

gta on juice

mr icedfire 01 go to to e.t. topic and read before talkin blabla.thank u

age

sounds like icedfire is a little jealous..

Come on guys, gta on juice DEFINATELY has at least a low 14s car without the juice. With the juice, I can see him doing what he did with the Viper (come on, they aren't INVINCIBLE). Besides, he also mentioned that he had the launch over his friend.

Dano 00TA

You're running a 220 shot on a stock internal L98

Hope you have some cash in the old bank account to build a new motor soon

Mad-Mic

i see a bearing spinning in his near future!

Nic

can I get a piece of this viper killer?

gta on juice

yeah on stock internals.everybody is wondering how thats possible.the best thing is the car has almost 120k miles on the clock.i buyed it 3months ago i havent got a clue if the engine is the first one or if it was rebuilt once.but it seems that it was never apart.the engine runs great,never had any problems expect a died alternator.and if the l98 gives his ghost up an 383lingenfelter is waiting to be installed.wondering what it will run with that one w/o nitrous..

Nic

public education at it's finest

Mustang5L5

Our schools are doing a kick-*** job huh?




I've seen a Viper with a K&N only pull a mid-11 at the track. Those fuggers can move! But then again i've seen a Viper run mid 13's also.

Just a case of fast car, shiddy driver.

QATransAm

Good kill

freestylzz

Stupid move.....take away every opportunity he has to kill you top end. Doesn't sound like much of a massacre to me. More like a little cheating and wishfull thinking.

DJP87Z28

Yea," I beat the crap out of a Viper", what did he use a baseball bat in the parking lot???

Marc 85Z28

iTrader: (3)

Fishy? Stock 91Z28, L98 car, 150 shot, 12 flat consistent on radials. The owner also owns a snot green mid 8 second drag radial Mustang.

freestylzz

Interesting............

1badrocZ

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well i believe ya im almost positive u could take a viper with a 225 shot. It might be a real close race but im sure it can be pulled off. Vipers are fast... but not the fastest car ever produced guys.

Nic

Are you saying Chris Little posts on thirdgen?

trickedout02

In Car and Driver, The Corvette has Bested the Viper every year, cept for this year, Corvette has been on top, before they stopped makin camaro's They were throwing the same engines that the corvette use's in the camaro's. If not, take one apart and build it up ur self, Chevy is known for putting the same engine in different cars and knockin' the horse power numbers down on the camaro. They did it in the 70's and 80's and they are going to continue doing it. So why can't a 350 Camaro out run this viper? Viper has poor handling and also are very much more heavey, it's sad that an v8 and hold up to a v10 stock v stock. That is how it was in Car and Driver. No I am talkin about the lingenfelter.
I have seen Neons and Hondas out run Vipers, wid 4 cyc. so why can't a slightly modded 350 out run one??? If U want to see neons and hondas out run vipers go to kazaa and dl sum, U will also find minivans out runnin' vettes and camaros, and there is a T/A out running sum very bad *** Croch Rockets... Also I will put this link on here in a few days of a scooter wid an engine hooked up wid Nitrous Out running a Nitrous and heavily modded T/A, That is what makes street racing so much fun, cause U can never be able to tell exactly what will happen...

rjmcgee

slightly modded 350???? Please tell me how to do some slight modding??

trickedout02

port polish intake, ram air, aftermarket exhaust, after market high flow cat converters, headers, 180 thermostat just to name a few of the mostly known ones. for the slightly modded...
Or
u can really get down into it, by boring the engine, after market crankshaft, titanium light weight pistons, super charger, turbo charger, inter cooler, nos, turbo 350 or 400 tranny,

Hell just run straight pipes...:lala: :lala: :lala: :lala: :lala: :lala:

'87FAKE-IROC-Z

The old 450 hp Vipers RT/10s?, were not all that fast. They aren't like the later high 11s@118 cars. If I recall back that far, they were high 12s@108-110 type stuff. Seems slow for the hp sure, but thats what they did.
I don't have a prob believing a lightly modded L98 with a HUGE shot of N20 can eak out a basically stock early Viper. Better bless than bottom end though:lala:

Nic

One of the guys that made that video is on this board and already admitted that it was fake

I've heard a lot of ricers use that same argument about their 4 cylinders keeping up with stock V8's

trickedout02

Kazaa, search for viper vs neon or neon vs viper, I have on one mine, if I knew a way I would put it on here. I also have a twin turbo minivan beating a z28 camaro lol. had to dl it to see how close it was, it was a sad race for the camaro. The van got like 3 car lengths ahead.

Nic

All those video's have already made their rounds around the 'net, so I'd imagine 95% of the people on here have already seen them.

btw...tell us a little about your car

trickedout02

'91 Camaro RS 3.1L v6

Mods: Flowmaster 40 series
Shiz Pipe Air intake Wid K&N Filter
160* Thermo
High Flow Cat Converters
Port Polished Intake
3.4L heads
Hypertech Chip <---I doubt it truely does much, wasted $140
Transgo Shift kit...
Rehoon'd pistons

Mods to come: Supercharger
Engine bored, not sure what too yet, haven't gave it much thought, something that I just thrown up in the air.
rear end out of a 3.8L camaro, I am hoping it wont be too hard.
Nitrous, maybe 100 shot, not too sure yet, maybe something I want to hold off till I get another car wid a 350.
light weight titanium pistons<---- Very expensive once again something I want to hold off till I get another car wid a 350.

More to come, once I get my summit mag wid me.
Right now it's all pulled apart, I ordered a crankshaft that pos to give me like 15 more horse's and torque, not sure that's what the numbers will be but I am sure it can't hurt.

trickedout02

I have actually seen my friends turbo 4 banker eclipse beat z28's and iroc's......... If u got the money, U can do pretty much anything... He didn't beat him at the quarter but once they got up around 75 mph, my friend made the dude look like he had hit a brick wall... and started gainin on him very fast..... Just wasn't fast enough for the quarter. I am sure if they were running like a straight mile or half mile, he would have had a few car lengths between them.

Nic

Why spend all that money when you could do a V8 swap a lot cheaper and run a lot faster?

trickedout02

well, like me I like my V6, I don't have all the money like he does so over time, I just go down the list and say well, I'll get this. V8's yeah I want one, but I know I cant afford the insurance on a 8 banger right now. It's bad enough on my 2002 S10 that only has a 2.2L 4cyc in it. (I kinda do regret buyin it, but I wont tell that to anyones face...)

But yeah, about my v6 I like it. It gots a good engine, should last me forever as long as I keep up the regular maintanence on it. My friend wid his turbo 4 banger, why does he invest so much in it... Well basicly cause he can, to be blunt about it, not to sound like a smart *** to anyone, but he just has this thing about making 4 bankers out run v8's. Even though he used to have a Nova (no paint on it, very ugly) wid a 454 and a turbo 400 tranny in it, used to get up on two wheels whenever he threw sum slicks on it, he sold it, and got his turbo eclipse. Now he is just obsessed with this whole 4 cylinder deal, He said his dream is to now build a 4 banker that pushes over 1000 horse's, I think it's Never see or heard of it being done, but he swears up and down it's been done, what I think------> ... He wants to buy just the aluminum block and start building from there. He knows alot about cars , he rebuilt that 454 by himself, so I am sure he will know what he is doing but to have it pushing 1000 hp, very seriously doubt it.

1bad91Z

iTrader: (1)

I've stayed right with a viper from 0-130 when we both shut it down and my TPI motor is naturally aspirated! But his car was bone-stock and mine is FAR from stock. It's still a good feeling when you can hang with and or beat a, $80,000 car !

Nic

Who pays insurance on a V8?

25thmustang

Yeah Nic you cheater, I pay insurance on two V8s!!!

I am sure there are 1000hp 4 cylinders, but not too many street legal ones.

The videos of the van and the neon have made rounds and yes it is possible. The Van had a site dedicated to it and it did not have a TT set up but a single turbo! We all know you can make a Neon run with a Viper, thats not new, but the fact that 99% of the Neons out there will never in their life touch a Viper tells you someting! We were not doubting that it could be done, just wanted to see exactly how he did it.

Hey I beat a Vette a while back at the track and I was pulling 14.3s that day! Anything can and does happen!

need4speedb4c

Sounds like it was an early Viper, as in 92 or so...which only runs 12.8 at best, THEN I'll believe it. But you did say he had a really bad start, and anyone who drag races know's that spinnin tires will add on an easy second. So with his few bolt on's and the shot of N2o and getting in front of him Sounds ligit to me...

trickedout02-
"Viper has poor handling and also are very much more heavey, it's sad that an v8 and hold up to a v10 stock v stock"

Vipers, all years, weighed in around 3300,3500 and that was the actual test weight, not the curb. How is hat heaver than a 3800 L98?

As for poor handleing.... The SRT-10 does a 1.03G and the older ones did 0.97G +...F-body's even 4th gen's do around 0.90-0.94G...Though some suspension mods will bring it up...

25THRSS

I don't know of any third gen, not even a GTA that weighs close to 3800 lbs. It can be done. Take a low 14 second/high 13 second car, slap a 150 shot on and 12's are a walk in the park. As for handling, a third gen can pull over a full g with very few suspension mods. Depending on model, some could do it with simply better tires.

need4speedb4c

GM High performance mag recently took their third gen to a .93g with better and bigger tires, 275's all around, lowered, and a few other things, so yeah 3rd gens do have a the capability to make it to the high 0.9g's, but 1.00g+ would take more than just a few suspension bolt on's, and I have yet seen any year F-body accomplish this yet.

Either way, my point was, Viper's do have very a good "like" Z06 cornering and driving ability.

25THRSS

Hmmm, take a 1LE and slap a set of slicks on that baby and I have no doubt you could pull atleast 1 g. I remember a test a while ago on motor trend where they tested the Z06, mustang cobra r, and the viper, and the viper was the worst handling of them all. Z06 being the best.

need4speedb4c

A 1LE what? There are lot's of 1LE parts. I'm sure it can be done, but I have yet to see it...Would be cool to see though.

This probably needs to go to anoter thread, but no one has said anything yet

-Mace

25THRSS

1LE Z28 ofcourse. Maybe even a B4C. Viper handles descent, but falls way short of what it should for the price tag.