LYV18F

i'm tired of reading all these threads "can my iroc beat a 3000gt?"

can somebody please just race one and tape it? then we'll know for sure.

my RA at school has one, and we always joke about racing, and we might get around to it in the spring, and if we do, i'll get it on tape and post it for all of you to see.

but in the meantime, if you get a chance, somebody else try to do it please

5.0mustang

No offende, but you will los. Unless you are solidly mid 13s, I don't see you taking him. They are very fast out of the hole, and do run 13s. It would be nice to see a tape, but I would bet my money on the 3000GT.

383backinblack

I pork those things like wilt chamberlain at a roman bath house. hehe

:rockon:

LYV18F

see, that's what i mean. everybody is speculating on how fast they are. i've seen people say that they're mid 15 cars, and there's guys like you who say they're mid 13 cars. i for one want to stop speculating and find out

383backinblack

quick ones run in the 14's up at the track......the ones with idiots driving them run 15's.....and the quickest ones up at NED run high high 13's.

they're also over 4000lbs i think.

Ive raced a bunch of them, raped them all :lala:

5.0mustang

A friend of mine went 13.7 all stock and is now low 12s with aftermarket turbos and such! The NA ones (the 220 hp version) usually run 15s, NOT the VR4s. The VR4s better be at least mid to low 14s or the driver sucks, and racing one on the street would give him the advantage! just my opinion!

LYV18F

i'm not saying that you're wrong, i'm just saying a lot of what people say on this board is speculation, and i noticed a lot of time it's speculation about a vr4. i for one want to find out, and i plan on doing it, and i'll get proof for everybody to see.

i don't consider myself the best driver, but i think i'm pretty good. i haven't been to the track yet, but i have gotten some good launches on the street. right now my car is pretty stock, but i'm hoping to get a transgo shift kit and full exhaust by the time we race. so hopefully it'll be a little quicker...

383backinblack

NED is only at 90' elevation, and ive never, never, never seen a vr4 run anyplace close to a 13.xx anywhere near stock. it aint happening. there are a sh*tload of these cars up there every week.....and the modified ones are usually barely in then 13's

the damn car weighs over 4000lbs. that means to go that fast it would require someplace in the neihborhood of 400hp....come on dude get real

blue305rs

every VR-4 i have seen run has been in the mid to high 13's when they are stock. This is at sea level. I have seen crappy drivers go high 14's even 15's and i have seen a couple highly modded in the 12's. So depending on the driver, the vr-4 can have a big difference in times.

CrazyHawaiian

It all has to do with how good of a driver he is. The launch in those cars is very important. Kind of like a WRX or even some of the DSM's. Its an AWD turbo thing. If you launch it like you hate it, then your times will be good. The guys running the slower times arent launching correctly or they baby it. Then you add in the fact that people mistake the N/A versions for turbo's. No wonder the times reported are between 15's and 13's. Thats a huge gap. Lets get some facts.

1995 3000GT VR4 TwinTurbo

Basic Facts
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Weight - 3781 pounds
Fule capacity - 19.8 gallons
Drag coefficient - .33 Cd
Wheelbase - 97.2 inches
Length - 179.7 inches
Width - 72.4 inches
Height - 49.3 inches
Interior Noise:
Idle - 46 dBA
Max, 1st Gear - 70 dBA
70 mph - 69 dBA


Performance Specs
--------------------------
0-30 mph............................... 1.9 seconds
minimum stopping distance 122' @ 60 mph
minimum stopping distance 218' @ 80 mph
0 - 60 mph : 5.4 seconds
Lateral acceleration on 200' skidpad = .90g
Standing quarter mile: 13.5/101.6mph (July 1995, Vol 47, No. 7 issue of Motor Trend)
Engine redline - 7,000 rpm
Speedometer runout @ 180 mph


Engine Setup
----------------------
3.0-liter DOHC 24-valve V-6
181 cu in w/ 8.0:1 compression
twin-turbocharged and twin-intercooled
Electronic controlled MFI (multi-point fuel injection) with twin spray injectors
320 Horsepower @ 6000 rpm
315 lbs.-ft. Torque @ 2500 rpm
Engine redline - 7000 rpm
4 bolt main bearing caps with forged steel crankshaft
4 radiators with dual fans (engine, oil, and two turbo coolers)


Drivetrain / Steering / Brakes
----------------------------------------
Power assist rack & pinion
4 wheel steering (same phase) w/ traction control computer
4 wheel disc with 4 piston calipers
Non-asbestos linings
Air pick-ups (4) for disc ventilation
All wheel ABS system with G force sensor, 2 channel system
6 speed transmission
Full time all-wheel drive with center differential and electronic traction control
Limited slip rear differential


Suspension /Wheels
---------------------------
Front : MacPherson struts, coil springs, stabilizer bar
Rear : Double wish-bone, coil springs, stabilizer bar
Shocks - 3 stage electronic control motorized, gas shock absorbers
Computer control with dash selection for two modes (tour , sport)
18” x 8.5 / Chromed alloy wheels (spare - alloy mag)
245/40R18 Z rated tires

Hg

Thank you CrazyHawaiian. I hate when people try and tell me they're slow... maybe the base model ones aren't fast, but with specs like Twin Turbo, All-Wheel-Drive, All-Wheel Steering, 6 speed manual, don't tell me none of them are fast.

tpivette89

hey, LYV18F, you live in NJ? where exactly? if its not to far from northern DE, find me a camera and a VR4 and ill race it for you.

383backinblack

i dont have any problems with them, never even had one come close to me

JayB

A vr4 is only a twin turboed 3000gt. Its "vaunted" on the streets. If you cant run at least 13.5 its not a race. Believe me. They haul ***, but only when their turbo is spooled. ive seen civics beat thse things off the line, and i hate ****. A 305 could easily get the hole shot, if they hook correctly. It wouldnt win, but could give em an early race. When the turbo spools, the race has changed. Its not horsepower at this point. Ive only been beat by one car. Thats my fathers vette. An aluminum 427 ls1. Tell the ricers to get some real cars.

ChillPhatCat

Yeah... You'll win if he don't spool the turbo... all that power isn't worth anything if they don't run it up...

But C&D got 13.7 in the Quarter... that's nothing to sneeze at... but LS1's shouldn't have a problem.

devianb

Most of the 3000GT's I see beaten are the NA ones.

383backinblack

C&D got a 13.7 out of the car....so minus all the traction compound and one of the better test drivers in the world.....

add a regular joe schmoe driver and your looking at 14's easily.

MdFormula350

yup those are faster then me.. i lost to one by two cars. 0 to 45 mph. not sure if it had any mods.

Cruz'N Bruz'R

A thirdgen will never take a VR-4, stock for stock, there's no way in hell. Those of you who think that the VR4 only runs in the 14's like a thirdgen, need to wake up. Spool the turbo? These things can wind up and drop it at like 4000rpm and not even sqwawk a tire. A lightly modded thirdgen will still have no chance. And on the street, they're even better. you always get better launches on the street then you do at the track. They only put traction compound on the launch pad cause it's concrete. It doesn't even come close to an asphault launch. These things love mods and can take serious boost.

Current Ottawa VR-4: runs mid 11's, turbo's upgraded and stock bottom end.
Unless your packing some serious mods, don't bother looking for one, you'll just be disappointed.

5.0mustang

Okay all wheel drive doesn't need all that traction compound, because I have ridden in a mid 13 second VR4 and a 5000 launch can't be matched by a 305! And C&D and MT have crappy drivers! They were running 13.9s for LS1s!!!

383backinblack

ya, but im not exactly packin' a 305 here hehe. :rockon:

launches on asphalt do not even come close to the traction you can get on a good concrete pad with plenty of VHT.....not even close. why do you think they use concrete? for 2 reasons its more durable and consistant.....and its a better surface. because contrary to what you might think.....a smooth surface (or finely porous like concrete) can allow a higher coefficient of friction because there is actually more surfaces and pits for the tire to bond to.

Granted, clean concrete is not as good as asphalt....a properly ground pad with compound is far superior. Also, it doesnt matter whether anyone thinks a car needs it nor, when they test cars in magazines they get compound.

I hole shot AWD cars all day long......AWD is great, but its no way a subsitute for properly configured suspension......correctly setup traction bars can do some amazing things. If you think about it, high level professional racing is the ultimate showcase of the best of the best as far as techniques and technology....if AWD could be made to holeshot a RWD car in all cases....they would use it.

dude if you think motor trend and car and driver have crappy drivers your on crack.....the top test driver for motor trend is one of the best test drivers in the world.

JayB

im not packin a 305 either

5.0mustang

Than why do they get 13.9s and 15.0s out of cars that with average drivers run 13.5s and 14.5s? True a well prepped track suspension will outrun an AWD off the line, but the original post talks about a stock L98, and a stock or near stock one will MAYBE pull a 1.9 60' and the AWD will very consistently pull 1.8s and better! There is alot more skill needed to drive a RWD than an AWD!

I know you don't have a 305, but not all VR4s are stock. My friend I mentioned now runs low 12s all day, and pulls just as good on the street as the track! He can launch at the same RPM with the same results, whereas 95% of the V8s I see run track tires and seperate street tires!

On the street unless you have ET Streets (or very sticky DRs) a well prepped suspension, and the ability before the race to lower tire pressure and heat the tires up an AWD will 99% of the time take a similar ET car! You are right the rack is alot different, but it affects a RWD ALOT more than an AWD!

rx7speed

show off

rx7speed

hey don't forget the nissan skyline (damn can't get them stateside) but they are rated at about 3800lbs with only 276hp

they run low 13's

least the new ones do last I checked

rx7speed

damn it time for me to chip in


cause I'm not packing a 305 either ...

tpivette89

really? i have to disagree here. they seem to get good #s out of imports, but when it comes to domestic RWD cars, the absolutely suck.

back in 89' M/T, C&D, etc could only get a 14.7 or so out of an 89' auto Corvette. i consistantly ran high 13s - low 14s in mine. they also could only muster a best of 13.9 out of an LS1 Z28, and we all know what those can do stock.

best drivers in the world? i dont think so

383backinblack

there are alot of reasons for why some cars test better or worse than other people seem to drive them.....

in the 80's and early to mid 90's before the newer technology really started to come around, there were HUGE variations from one car to the next in mass produced models.

between myself and my friends we've owned about 8 305tpi cars over the years (most of them auto) and my 86 used to smoke my 88, and my buddies 88 smoked both of my cars. I wish i could remember the guys name that does all the high profile tests.....that guy is a great driver.

and by the way......holy sh*t rx7 you get rolling on those post whoring things theres no stoppin you. glad you liked the wilt chamberlain thing...i dont think alot of people got that lol

tpivette89

that doesnt explain why they could only get high 13 out of LS1 powered fbodies, though
there are alot of variables in the 305 TPI cars: transmissions, cams, rear gears, some didnt come with posi, etc. the 3rd gen was the last GM perfomance car you could truely option for yourself, they had ALOT more choices back then. today, its only: manual or auto?

383backinblack

unless you order an SS

i watch countless people try to hammer on ls1 4th gens at the track and end up with low low 14's-high 13's the tires they put on those things stock (Eagle f1's i think)are excellent street tires, but dont offer a whole lot in straight line acceleration. Even with traction compound people roast those things. there just isnt enough sidewall, and the tires dont grip that well in straight line acceleration anyways. (lateral is another story though)

on the other hand, if you put a set of slicks on those bad boys your talkin 13.3's all day long for a half decent driver. at least until the sh*tty stock clutch bites the big one.

TBI305Camaro

The NA ones are heavy and pretty slow. I know a guy with a vr4 and ive been in it. Seemed slow as hell off the line but when the turbo spooled it felt like you couldnt grab a 100 dollar bill off the dash. Fast cars. Im not gonna mess with one yet...but after this summer it will be a different story.

Im gonna get a GSX this summer so I will have to experiment with this 5 speed AWD thing.

alan92rttt

Here is a nice heads up comparison of the 1999 model year. Popular Mechanics It is a heads up comparison:
- #13 Ford SVT Lightning
- #12 Jaguar XJR
- #11 Ford Mustang Cobra
- #10 Mitsubishi 3000GT
- #9 Chevrolet Camaro SS
- #8 Mercedes-Benz E55
- #7 Porsche Carrera
- #6 Acura NSX
- #5 Firebird Formula
- #4 Ferrari F355
- #3 Chevrolet Corvette
- #2 Lotus Esprit
- #1 Dodge Viper

devianb

Yeah, back in the 80s and 70s there were so many options available that you could actually build a car. Today its like going to Basken Robbins and all you have to choose from is chocolate and vanilla - now that isn't any fun.

Snake32v

LOL the Camaro went 13.4 but the T/A went 13.1. I guess its true that Firebirds are faster than Camaros.

junkyarddog

one important thing to consider is like thirdgens, there are a few different variations of the 3000GT.

the base modles are SOHC V6s with 165 hp

the SL is DOHC 3.0 218-222 hp depending on the year.

the VR4 like the SL but with twin turbo,AWD some with AWS.

I have a '93 SL, it's not the fastest thing on the road. Anyone with a decently modded V8 car should be able to take it.
I haven't done a thing to it because it's so expensive, mitsubishi is just a plain rip-off to modify. most people who own these cars are not likely to mod them as heavilly as thirdgen drivers, resulting in more victories for the thirdgenner's.

these cars definitly like mods, so if the driver can afford them and knows how to drive it, it's going to be a fight! although I'm not sure if there are more than 3 people in the world who have gone to this extent. they certainly like the corners though, so if your heading into the twisties, your probably not going to keep up.

383backinblack

oh man lol

junkyarddog

One thing missing from the Mitsubishi's stellar performance: the right sounds. Its hair dryer exhaust note just doesn't cut it.

LOL it does sound like a hair dryer!! or a big 18.8v Makita drill!

383backinblack

Anyone that is a regular at street night up at NED will be familiar with this car....its a hugger orange space ship (used to be a 3000gt vr4) the thing seems like it has more money spent on it than a real space ship too. There is a crew of about 500 puerto rican guys that follow this thing around and work on it. Ive raced this thing many times and rape it at will. Anyways, i asked the guy what he was running one time, and he told me that it ran 12's when "it was runnin right" hmmm. however, it usually rips about a 14.3 or so. This is strange because it never runs right because it always runs 14's, im pretty sure it has nitto drag radials on it too. after every pass where "it isnt running right" the 500 member pit crew disassembles the whole top of the engine and puts it back together again, to run yet another 14 sec pass....i find this odd.

Anyhow, after one particularly nasty mopping of the floor with this guy, i parked next to him in the pit area (i had just made my 5th pass) so i decided to let the car cool off and get a drink. I walked over and watched these guys frantically ripping things apart as i slurped on my 14000 dollar NED 1oz coke. I was like thats a weird thing to do (this is street night mind you, no points at stake, no money) and i opened my hood, gave it the once over and started walkin up to the stands when i heard one of the 500 clubs chicks say, "how come he doesnt have to take his engine apart?" i laughed to myself and continued up to hang out with the camaro guys in the stands hehe

5.0mustang

This is true! I have been there twice and spent about $40 in just drinks! 8% NH sales tax baby!!!

devianb

LOL, thats why you got to bring your own drink. That story about the pit crew opening up the engine after every pass just to run 14s all night is funny.

383backinblack

ya the food up there sucks too, and i think they put heroin in the drinks so you need to keep buying them. Ya man, those guys looked like they were auditioning to replace kenny bernsteins crew

devianb

Double LOL.

383backinblack

lol, ya the racing is cheap...the food, thats how they get ya

and if anyone is a regular up there and hears some serious **** cracks coming from the tower, (this has happened before last season too) its probably me and my boys from the boston big shot/towasaurus monster truck team....sometimes they let us play with the PA system lol...whoa that was off topic hehe