fly351

a friend of mine just bought a new mazda protege5, only has 500 miles on it.

well, the other night, she let me drive it....... and i.... enjoyed it...

SOMEONE HELP ME!

-fly

Steve89GTA

I've got one too. It's my everyday drive now and it's a $hitload of fun. Handling out of the box is very good and it has excellent road feel. The best part is...it's soooo damn cheap to run! Gas/maintenance is a joke!

FyreLance

Nothing wrong with that..... Protégés are great cars....

curt86iroc

did she get the turbo one?

Steve89GTA

No turbo model available (yet)

Snake32v

Wish I had a cheap car that is better on gas mileage than my RX-7 is. That thing kills me in gas.

how much do those cost? Is there any used ones or is it a new model?

CamaroFreak406

Vroom Vroom !!!

Not a big deal to enjoy imports, Hell even I like to drive Lamborghini's . Just as long as it's not R ICE.

Later, Garrett

Mark A Shields

That just screams I'm gay.

fly351

yah its not riced out she doesn't even want subs, neons, fart can's.. anything like that.


no its not a turbo, it has a 130hp stock.
yes theres is a protege thats turbo charged, 170 stock out of a 2.0l.. not bad

-fly

Steve89GTA

There is a turbo model protege directly from Mazda? ... or aftermarket?

fly351

yes, for the 2nd time now.. lol ***

http://www.mazdausa.com/mazdaspeed_p...p=&did=&state=

-fly

curt86iroc

yea, this is the first year for the turbo protege. 14.2 in the 1/4. not too shabby.....

MdFormula350

nothing wrong with enjoying another car!

rx7speed

how the hell does it kill you on gas??????

those things should get at least 20 city and 25 hwy

if not better



even WITH A LEAD FOOT

unless you keep it above 3800rpms then the second injectors kick in and when you floor it the 5th and 6th intake runners open up giving you more port volume and more time that the intake port is open mean more air and FUEL go through there



but still..... it shouldn't be that bad

rx7speed

not much for them on look but I still think they don't look that bad........


wouldn't mind one that way I could tear my rx7 apart
port the block 3mm apex seals, t-88 turbo, 720cc injectors up front and 1600cc in back (what would those be in lbs/hr??), 3 1/2 inch pipe comming of the turbo into dual 3 inch pipes out the back, coil ovre setup with 375f/225r spring rates and some kyb AGX dampers, a mariah motorworks body kit sans the wing, haltech stand along ECU and 20-25lbs of boost



got a guess on 1/4 miles times with that setup?

12sMustang

that's easy - it's 'cause rotary engines suck

Snake32v

Buddy I have owned a TurboII and a Non turbo and I know rotory engines do not get good gas mileage. BTW 20 in the city isn't good. Its better than what my weekend car gets but its still not good. The only thing good about the 2nd gen RX-7 (non performance wise) is the low insurance cost.

CamaroFreak406

Sorry guys but I can't let this go on any longer, The rotary engine was one of the most performance driven engine's ever built. The turbo versions were just amazing, if they were to have the cubic inch displacement that the domestics have there wouldn't be a race car that didn't have one. I'm not a big fan of imports but the rotary (Wankel) engine is one the most revolutionary high performance engines ever built or even thought up.

Later, Garrett

12sMustang

I was jus' teasin'.....geez

CamaroFreak406

I kind of figured you where but I wasn't sure about Monkie, oh sorry I mean Snake32v. He sounded serious. But maybe he is just trying to start an arguement? him no, just given you shi t Monkie, oh did it again sorry Snake32v .

Later, Garrett

VLich

Actually, I think 12sMustang is right - when it comes to (fuel) efficiency, the rotary engine is a ****-poor design.

Snake32v

Actually if they had the cubic inch of a domestic there wouldn't be a radiator big enough to keep it cool. And what are you talking about "can't let this go on any longer"? 12sMustang said it sucked, he was joking. I said it got **** poor gas mileage, IT DOES. No one said anything about the rotory engine getting sucky performance. So I dunno what you "can't let go on anylonger". I mean I don't think anyone on this board would say that a Turbo II and a 3rd Gen RX-7 suck power wise. Now gas mileage and reliability are another story.

rx7speed

what makes it **** poor


yes they failed back in the early 70's and had the gas hog tax put on them...

when I get mine in good running order I can get up to 30-35 hwy on 22-25 city

maybe there are better out there but still not **** poor as you make it sound

oh and I have pictures of a rotary they made that was about as tall as a man if not taller then one


guess it saw use......


but then again who knows how large the rad was


if they had a 5.7L rotary I'm sure it could be used without having that large of a rotary but there is no need for one that large.... a 20b would be just fine

rx7speed

hey there reliability isn't that bad.... well unless you get a thirdgen then.... you need to change a few things....

Snake32v

Thats what I'm talking about. And the Turbo II need quite a bit TLC too.

VLich

The rotary engine typically has a larger combustion chamber surface area to volume ratio than a piston engine. This gives the rotary a lower thermal efficiency, especially when coupled with the aluminum rotor housing.

The rotary will also have to turn faster than an engine with more torque to get the same subjective performance.

The specifications for the new engine in the rx8 sound quite nice - it will be intersting to see how reliability and gas milage turn out.

In my opinion the rotary is a great engine for a race car or a small aircraft, but a lousy choice for a street car - where pollution and fuel efficiency are larger concerns.

Mark A Shields

Unless it's a Ferrari or Lambo, something like that, I'll stick to American Muscle thanks

BikertrashDude

lol

rx7speed

depends on what shape you get it in

they tend to be more reliable then a gen 3 though


had a guy around here who blew his on 18 psi with 150k miles on it using the stock turbo.... wonder why he blew it but it prolly had quite a few miles left on it if he upgraded the turbo and the fuel a little more


oh and quit using the TMIC

rx7speed

true they are behind because of the thermal sh<x>it but they still make good road going cars I would say.

polution isn't a worry with where I am at and gas milage I worry about but I'm not going to bitch about the milage I get, and it beats the 10mpg I was getting out of my 71 camaro.

as for torque you can set them up... though generally with a small turbo setup or one that is using ball bearings to have low end torque as well.... though still yes a v8 motor would do just as well if not better for low end though...... why do you think a rotary has 4.10 stock


they up there down sides though..... and if you dont know how to tune them well you will find out that a rotary is not very good at hadnling detonation as a piston motor is. and fuel they can be made to use little fuel but with more power comes more fuel. most of the ppl here running 300-450hp at the wheels are getting about 12-15mpg city and maybe 18-20 hwy

part of the reason I'm going to miss my N/A but with BOOOOOOOOOOOSSSTTTTT!!!! I can do with a loss of gas milage though being I'm not going to get into bigger injectors yet or anything I should still get about the smae milage as long as I stay off the throttle

Snake32v

The what?






Anyways a Turbo II will run alot hotter than a N/A so there for you have to worry about over heating more, burning up wires, etc. I have known alot of people that have OWNED a 3rd gen RX-7 and have heard their horror stories about not having the money to keep them up. The Turbo II and 3rd gen RX-7 are AWSOME performance cars, but no thanks I like a car that I don't have to worry about ****ing me over this week or the next.

rx7speed

they do run a little hotter but the problem with the thirdgen as far as heat is they tried to cram way to much f<x>ucking sh<x>it into one motor bay that the heat just has no place to go.....


time to get rid of the twin turbo or at least the dual stage turbo setup so you get rid of all the vac lines and go with a haltech....


would love to own one but too much work needs to be done to make it all work right


TMIC= top mount intercooler
FMIC=front mount "

devianb

I like driving new cars. Funny thing is that the more I drive a new car, the more I really miss driving my thirdgen. Of course driving around in a new Vette really makes me want to sell my soul to the devil to get one. I think I will always be more of an old school man, even though I am still new school.

icebird_1981

i love those cars i want one so bad!!!!

Deimos140

I have a budy building a rotary it is the equivalent of a 1.3 liter. Where's the pistons. He is doing a special j porting to it, also he is polishing the intake runners. He showed me the design and made everything very understandable from the engine stand point. Its amazing that one can make so much power and be so light. Those ecentric shafts are funky looking. He is going to use nitrous and make it mad scarey for top speed.

Also I have driven Mazda protege's and I'm not much impressed.