330hp_91RS

Yesterday I got to run a 66' GTO 350 3 times. He sounded good, he passed by, we were on a 2 lane road, and when I got up next to him, he tried to get on it and I let her loose and took him for a walk. At the next stop sign he pulled up and smiled said " Nice...." I said "Whatcha got in it..." "350." Then we went from a dead stop, I walked him good. Then he tried to get me from behind... you know get within about 1 car and then try to launch to get the head start... well, I downshifted and walked him again. He was cool, in his 40's and said " Man I need a new motor!"

It's cool to get to run something classic, this car was sweet, black with some cragars on it, very fun run. I've never got to run something that old before.

The best part was when he asked my what kind of motor I had and I got to say "Just a 305."

BikertrashDude

cool kill.
it's allways fun running against older stuff, does,n't matter if you win or lose.
biker

f-crazy

iTrader: (-1)

i love the look when u tell people "just a 305" lmao...a few months ago i was crusin down telegraph in michigan...its a friday night and all the muscle cars are out...i come up to this chevelle anda mustang playing a little i knew i was gonna get beat but i wanted to play anyway....i stayed back on the first light to see them run...the chevelle was a 68 396ss and the mustang was a 67-68 428 cobra jet...the chevelle walked him like he was standing still i was like "yea chevy!!!!" lol...i pull up next to the mustang and throw a rev or 4 =)...him and his wife look over and smile he nods so i now its on...i drop the clutch at 2500 and hammer it..my tires were spinnin pretty bad and so were his...we get through first and im haning in there!! in second he pulls maybe a fenders lenght on me...im thinkin "holy ****" in thrid he started pullin hard on me..we get to the next night and the guy has a bigggg smile on his face..he said "damn son what do u have in that" i said a stock 305 witha 5 speed"...him and his wife kinda like stoned for a minute lol....

i sped off hopin to catch the chevelle i catch him i goose it in 3rd a coupole times and he drops the hammer and all i saw was his tail lights get very small very fast...that car was insane lol

RockOn

I think if the GOAT had a 389 in it you would've been seeing tails.....just my $.02 cents

MdFormula350

good wins!!

92 3.1 Rs

It's always nice to race an older guy. They seem to be better sports than a young punk.

CamaroFreak406

OK I have to blow some holes in this thread. First off I'm not sure why anyone would put a chev 350 in a Pontiac GTO, that would be stupid and if it was a Pontiac 350 whoo whoo, those where pretty ****ty engines. But you did beat him so good job. I also agree with the 389 comment, you would lose (you would get smoked if it was a stock three-duece set-up)
Now on to the 396 SS Chevelle against the 428 Cobra jet Mustang. Stock for stock the Mustang would hand the Chevelle it's *** on a stick. The 428 Cobra jet cars would beat up on Corvette's back in the day. However I doubt the Chevelle was stock and if you have something as rare as a the 428 Cobra Jet Mustang I doubt you would mod it (or even drive it for that matter).

Later, Garrett

330hp_91RS

Ok so what if it was a pontiac 350, I don't care, the point wasn't that I was going to win cause I knew I was from the get go because of the way his car sounded. It was just nice to play with a true car from the muscle car era. 389's are that quick eh.......

1984 Z- 28: L-69 bored to 310c.i. w/ 4k mi., 204/214 420/442 cam, edelbrock performer intake and 600 cfm carb, Holley Red fuel pump and a 3 port regulator, Holley Powershot filter ( open element), Edelbrock headers, gutted cat, 2.5 inches to a 2 chamber Flowmaster, Centerforce clutch on the T-5 and Energy suspension: Motor mounts, trans mount, and torque arm bushing
Brand new 255's out back with 3.73's

Soon to come: some built heads after my 1 year 10k warranty is up. (probably Vortec's)

Sorry i didn't post my mods, I know 389's are fast but I really don't think one would blow me outta the water that bad.

Oh yeah I strongly agree with the statement on Cobra jet Mustangs. They are bad to the bone. Traction is a real prob tho. A friend of mine has a built 429 Cobra Jet with a 4 speed in it' street driven ( hardly ever). It is awesome, sounds like a jet or somethin'.

nosibear

I completely agree... I love running with the older cars, kinda intimidating actually. To know you are running with the machines that started this whole street racing thing. And you never know with those older cars, some of them are stock, or restored to stock, and some are just completely radical.

85transamtpi

A GTO with a poncho 350 is nothing amazing, but I'll bet it was a fun race.

I love picking on old muscle. The guys look under the hood of my car and are like

"Watcha got 'n there, a vee six er somethin?"

The best race (most fun) I've had in a long time was a grudge match against a '66 olds 442 with a built 455 and 4 speed. The race ended with him hanging his head and blaming the carb. We have a rematch next year.

:hail: old muscle
:hail: new muscle

My next car will probably be a 79-72 nova.

-Doug

Deimos140

I own a 1968 Chevelle SS 396. Well it has a pink slip to a 427 Ford. I t also beat a 406 Third Gen Camaro this past summer and taken the leader of my local Corvette club.

scrawnywhiteguy

Sounds like fun man...You don't see many musclecars gettin' beat by late model cars.


Tim:rockon:

84L69TA

LOL...Now thats funny!!! I know this is an old post, but there is no way a boat-anchor 428 Mustang will run anywhere close to a big block Chevelle or a Vette. Unless the Chevelle has a 396/325 it may have a slight prayer. The Mustangs were dogs. Mid-high 14-sec cars. A 396/375 Chevelle would kill it. I dont even want to get started on the Vettes.

/\/3\/\/l8l3

Now thats a true race good luck your the first one to post something worthwhile in a good time

84L69TA

BTW, what kind of a moron does it take to put a 350 in a 66 Goat? Sounds like a waste of a car to me.

jocww

i wanna know how u know it was a cobra jet was it the badges. or was it just a fastback witha 302 or 351w or c

and a 429 cobrajet will beat a ls5 and or 6 chevelle. not only is the ford lighter it has almost the same amount of trq and more hp than the chevelle.

ljnowell

I dont know what kind of cars you see around there, but i have never seen a slow 428 mustang.

/\/3\/\/l8l3

350's are the cheapest bang for your buck, try building a 396 or 454 for dirt cheap and get good performance

jocww

no such thing as a poncho 350 but ive seen lots of chevy engines in ponchos and fords

z28kindaguy

So which is it?

fastfbody

iTrader: (4)

i tink it would have had you if he had a 389 (just agreeing with the other guy) must of them had 6 packs


ps. the pontiac said he had a 350 and the camareo said he had a 305 (maybe you should try reading the post instead of qouteing it.

SOLID LIFTER

Yes there is. They were made from '68 - '76.

Damn this thread is old!

SOLID LIFTER

:werd:

ljnowell

The poncho was a 400 pontiac engine. All pontiac engines ended up being called that on the street, and even some stupid TGO members call thier firebirds ponchos.

84L69TA

LOL, I dont think so....but that was funny though.

jocww

o but i do think its so

SOLID LIFTER

I've never been one for lame nicknames (i.e. poncho). I'm just saying that there was/is a 350 pontiac.

84firebird383

Yes you are right about the pontiac 350.

I could be wrong but I thought the Cobarjet was a 428 and the Boss was the 429

84L69TA

Let him think what he wants. In real life, it aint happening.

ljnowell

Me either. There was most definately a 350 pontiac, anyone that doubts that is an idiot. Buick had one and so did olds. Kinda like the 455.

jocww

both would beat a ls5

Air_Adam

There was a CJ 429, a SCJ 429, and a Boss 429.

The Boss 429 was basically a SCJ 429 with Hemi heads.

They kicked *** in NASCAR, but they were dogs on the street, just like the Boss 302. The 428 was ok, but nothing impressive, especially compared to a Chevy 396 or 427... and they would get totally raped by anything bearing SS 454 badges.

The only engines Mustangs ever got that really ran with the big boys were the 289 Hi-Po and the Medium Riser 427.

84L69TA

Air_Adam...thank you for your truthful and accurate reply.

vejatabul

you guys ever seen a 389 gto on a dyno? they make around 220hp and 270tq. they are not fast and they are not impressive.

oh and joc, the 428 is not what you think it is........here are some magazine tests on the 50 fastest muscle cars............
http://www.musclecarclub.com/musclec...s-50fast.shtml

jocww

a goat with a 389 4 spd 6 pack with an air grabber hd suspension and rear i think he would beat just about any thirdgen z or ta besides the tta

BB_Camaro_427

hello everyone, first off just got back from norway, i had a blast.. but to the point, does anyone remember a member on here with a 1970 chevelle 454 LS6 convert. well we have been the best of friends since we were 5. He is currently voulentering in iraq, down with bush!! Sorry anywho anyone who beileves that a 428 mustang will wipe a LS6 chevelle is losing there marbles. The 428 is a very impresive car non the less but the chevelle registering at 4045 (with ym buddy sitting in at 185 pounds) pounds will beat on the mustang all day anyone that dont think so can pm me and when he comes home in 3 days we will go for a ride!

ljnowell

Why down with bush? He volunteered to join the armed forces didnt he?

vejatabul

have you ever seen real 1/4 mile times for those cars? they are not impressive.
http://www.musclecarclub.com/musclec...-history.shtml
those cars run high 14's. my 1988 gta ran a 14.56 dead stock.
as i said before, not impressive.

anondude13

The stock times for those cars is on crap muscle-era tires. Those same cars on slicks would run much better. To quote the same webserver:

"With factory exhausts and tires, ZL1 Camaros could turn low 13s; with headers and slicks, they could turn 11.6s @ 122mph. This was the fastest car ever produced by Chevrolet."

vejatabul

oh yeah? did you see that mph? put slicks on it and it may go a 14.1. if your lucky, it may do a 13.99. not impressive. a 13 sec car is not a fast car. a 14 sec car is deff not a fast car. im just trying to show that they are not what joc thinks they are. just not that fast.

anondude13

Yeah 98mph isn't terribly fast, I'm just saying tires should be taken into account whenever looking at classic muscle stock times.

vejatabul

98 mph was for a ram air car, not too many of them. those are fairly rare now.

jocww

yea but u put those same polyglass tires on the thirdgen and the times are gonna go down a tick or 2 or if u put on some radials 8 in instead of the measly 5 in ones on the gto and i bet ud see it trap higher

Air_Adam

This is what happens when your a Chevy guy born into a F*rd family... you learn the competition well

pasky

Damn straight they are.

formula350sd

iTrader: (2)

To settle the debate here is a bit of info from a 1965 issue of Car Craft. The 65 GTO they tested weighed in at 3660, and in street trim went 14.65 at 101 with a set of 3 port headers and some M&H cheeters they did 13.77 at 102. Not bad if you ask me.

Ray87Z

High Performance Pontiac magazine did some dyno testing on several old GTOs and a new LS1 powered one not long ago. Here's the article: http://www.highperformancepontiac.co...ine/index.html

The very nearly stock '66 389 Tri-powered Goat dynoed a fairly weak 200rwhp and 260ish ft-lbs at the rear wheels.

Wouldn't take much to beat one of those in a lighter thirdgen... Not that you couldn't build a 389 or similar to run pretty strong, but you'd have to swap out just about everything on it to run with a decently built small block chevy in a similar car these days....

formula350sd

iTrader: (2)

Yeah thoes numbers are pretty poor but i think its probably the exhaust logs that are killin it.