irocbarry

wich one guys

i have my opinion but whats yours

side note why are they both gone they were and still are so sweet

1BADDAM

454 SS -- haul bricks
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Syclone-- haul *** (with a few tweeks)

CrazyHawaiian

Syclone will own him. AWD off the line. Boost on the top end.

1991tealRSt-topGuy

IROCZZ3

454 SS= All show, no go

Syclone= All show, and all go.

iroc22

The 454SS is really sad in stock form. But even modified, the 454SS will be hunting for traction with its massive torque, while the Syclone takes off with its AWD. And contrary to popular Grand National/T-Type belief, the Syclone goes 10's in the 1/4 with its "weak" 4.3 with very little mods, much like the 3.8 V6

Camar_Hunter_c

I believe the Cyclone/Typhoons ran 14's stock.... the 454 would have to have 500 pounds in bricks to get traction.... Typhoon/Cyclone ALL THE WAY.
Thats a S-10 I would drive in a heartbeat.

nitrobreth

hey now. i have a 454ss truck. i have no problem getting traction. all you need are some fat tires, caltracs, and a 2000 stall. my truck is by no means "sad". and gives a lot of cars a good run for the money. i'm running a 13.1 with it.

oh yeah, my battery, and fuel cell are both in the back of the bed. just for a lil extra bite.

Marc 85Z28

iTrader: (3)

iroc22 - 10's in 1/8? Don't add to the topic if you don't know the material! 280HP is pretty weak though 10's in 1/8 - sheesh - maybe WITHOUT the turbo and intercooler

5.0mustang

Nitro, what have you done to that truck. Stock they were high 15s. You would need alot of mods to go low 13s!!!

iroc22

EDIT: Oh wait dude, read my post again. You misread it.

PonyKiller87

The 454 will deffinatly win in a burn out contest, Ive seen one put up a cloud so thick it dissapeared untill he drove out of the smoke, by far one of the best burnouts I ever seen.

super83Z

Its really not that hard to make the 454SS fast. I mean come on guys its a big-block. They make tons of power. Once the whole traction problem gets sorted out with some mods it would haul @$$.

nitrobreth

well, a short list:

stock block, +.030 (468 ci)
edelbrock heads
edelbrock cam (2162?)
edelbrock intake
around 9:1 compression
MSD ignition
2200 stall, HEAVY shift kit (t-400)
4.10 gears
Gear Vendors overdrive unit
slicks
ohhhh...
WHIPPLE supercharger, 12 lbs boost

AFBCamaro

454 all the way man!!! The hell with grip, its a pick up with a 454, the thought makes me wet in the pants. Cyclones are great and all, fast indeed. Im just a sucker for cubic inches. And the 454 truck can be made fast with ease...Hey nitrobreth do you wanna sell your 454ss!!!??!

nitrobreth

AFB,
dude, i ain't sellin my truck. check out 454ss.com though. lot's of trucks for sale there. good people in the forums to. have helped me out many o' times.

iroc22

That's a lot of money to go 13.1

wataru

Thats exactly what I was thinking. What kinda intake does that 454 use? TBI?

ATOMonkey

How do you like that Gear Vendors unit? I've been thinking about getting one for a long time now.

iroc22

Yeah, 670cfm Rochestor TBI unit. A good MPFI from Accel would do wonders on a 454 I'm sure.

PonyKiller87

or just a swap to the newer Vortec 454 which had port injection. My dad had that motor in his 98 crew cab dualy, it was a 4x4 with 4:10s turing I think 245/50/R15 tires. All that truck and tire and you could still lightem up through an intersection pretty easily.

nitrobreth

the intake on it is a TBI. i chose to leave it at that because of the 3K for different induction system. the MPFI does help a lot, but not as much as the supercharger. the WHIPPLE was designed almost specifically for this truck. while true it is a lot of money, i would do the same thing again. i love my truck. nothing cooler than wastin a new SS in a pickup. plus, i just love the 120 speedo.

ATO-
i love the gear vendors unit. best investment ever made. i think it was like $3500. it was a necessity for me to have this, as this truck is my daily driver. the gas mileage was so horrible before. on the highway i am getting close to 22mpg now. plus, i can bury that speedo like no other. really surprises people when you are hangin with a corvette at 135. i would recommend this thing to anyone. drop me a line if you need more info.

iroc22

Yeah and its sequential.....mmmm

CRZYTRN-92Z28

Really? I thought these trucks were 13 sec vehicles. Lol if this is true im kinda dissapointed in them.

bo ty guy

Make no mistake about it, these trucks went 13's no problem. Typhoon went mid to high 13's while the cyclone went deep 13's. The first syclone motor trend got it's hands on (pre-production) dipped into the 12's! And just like any turbo vehicle, bolt ons shave time off quickly. A buddy of mine has had 2 typhoons, and they are sweet, and fun to drive, not to mention it knocked down over 22mpg, while we rodded on it! I can't believe nobody said anything about the handling too! Comparing handling from a 454 to a syclone would be like comparing a Z06 to a pinto. The little truck handles like it's on rails! Did anyone see the motortrend camparo between the Syclone and some Ferrari? The Sylone handed it it's *** in every event but top speed! They even had a beer hauling event! SYCLONE:hail:
The 454's can be cool to, they will pull a house. The syclone is not supposed to pull anything! The typhoon can only pull like 750lbs. I think. That is the only reason I've never bought one. A buddy of mine just built a 454ss with ported and polished old style square ports, edelbrock multi port, small cam, small stall, and a few goodies. Needs some tuning, but it will go mid thirteens, I guarantee it! Plus it has that cool big block rumble! Different strokes for different folks!!!

89 Iroc, 406 with Super ram(soon to be carb)tremec tko, moser 12 bolt

iroc22

Yeah I read that. It did destroy the Ferrari, and I really liked how they showed that it could haul those kegs.

The Syclone was the only truck to make Motor Trend's top 50 cars tested by them.

Camar_Hunter_c

I quess they were faster.. Hmmm and low 14's from a TRUCK is not disapointing at all....

Polecat

Just and FYI, a 454 bored .030 over isn't a 468, you have to bore it to .060 over.

nitrobreth

my bad. I bored it .030. it had already been rebuilt once, and was .030 at the time. so yes, it is a .060 over block, making it a 468. thanks for pointing that out to me.

shrp1

SYCLONES WILL NOT go 10's on the stock short block. AND YES it is WEAK. Now if you put a girdle on it and reinforce the bottom end yes they will go 10's. but usually they disconnect the AWD once they get that fast.

Big454blockchevy

Ofcoarse we all know that a properly built big block (right combination of parts) can be made to go real fast. Just some info to pass , my dart pro 1 heads (215cc) flow about the same as my heads(781 castings) on my 454BBC on my 78 Maro. The only work done to the big block heads is that I went with bigger valves and some clean up work that 's it. Now just imagine if I went with some good porting on those heads, the flow numbers I could achieve! What's my point? I forgot but a big block can be made insanely fast real fast.

iroc22

There's a guy on the syty.net who ran a 10.8 on the stock bottom end. There's one guy that ran low 11's on the stock engine (cam and heads) with a Typhoon and quite a few that have ran low 11's on stock heads and cam with Syclones; most guys running the stock bottom ends haven't done any head or cam work. I know a few on the verge of 10's that are still full weight AWD trucks, I'm not sure if the 10.8 was with 2wd but I know it was full weight. There's more 10 second stock bottom ends out there, but I can only be sure of about one and there are others running very close. Not bad for 4000lbs vehicles. It's nothing compared to the 9 second runs Gene Fleury was pullin off in his TR with the stock bottom end.

shrp1

Yea there might be a FEW out there doing it but its still not the general rule.

ANYONE can come up with a "Theres this ONE guy who ran.........."

BTW FULL WEIGHT on a Syclone is Not 4000, maybe the Typhoon is.


Heres a reply tp your post there:

L8R

demonkey36

iroc22--do you know where i could see a copy of the article about the syclone and the ferrari? if not, do you remember some of the details? i would really be interested in finding out more about that article!

camarochic

454 SS is much better then the cyclone:lala: :lala:

iroc22

I found it on a Syclone site somewhere. I think it might have been www.syty.net

shrp1, its been a long time since I posted on there (had to get a different username because I forgot my other one and it didnt automatically log me in) and I cannot remember these guy's names who were running these times. I obviously dont have timeslips so there's no way of proving any times. Had to post a new topic there to see if they could refresh my memory. I just see the TR guys always saying that the 4.3 is "weak" yet I've seen some of these things run real well on stock parts. But, I have no evidence to back up my statements.

shrp1

yea, I wasnt trying to be a hard ***, i just know they dont go that fast on stock stuff and if they dont not for very long, I believe mid 11's on stock stuff all day.