TBI305Camaro

Ok I completely killed a guy i know in his stick z24 cavalier (2000). I didnt even get on it hard out of the hole and never went over about a half throttle and he couldnt pull on me. Finally i got on it and smoked him. Then from another light i got on it hard and smoked him so bad it was horrible. anyways i thought everybody here said a TBI car would get smoked by a z24?

Monkie

Maybe he wasn't trying...I don't think with your mods you would blow anythings doors off.

Tom84L69

i'd say with those mods a Z24 would be easy prey. i never saw the post though. whoever said Z24s were fast? My buddy has a cavalier (not a Z24) but it has the Z24 motor (2.4 dohc 4 cylinder) not the 2.2. it is an auto and i raced him with my 97 lumina LS. just about dead even. i have no doubt your tbi smoked his ***.

TBI305Camaro

i know my car isnt fast yet but since when was a 4 cylinder cavalier fast?

IROCZTWENTYGR8

iTrader: (1)

I would've expected you to win, you're not stock either so I guess I would have said you.

Monkie

Do you plan on keeping it TBI or going to TPI or what?

phoenix350

i got a friend with a Z24 cavalier...i think 2000 model year...and he thinks it's fast (this guy owns a camaro too) but damn...it's slow. very slow...makes me said to think about it that way.

88ROC1LE

iTrader: (4)

I said that an older Z24 would win. One that has the 3.1 V6MPFI a 5 speed kinda like I have. I have raced the new Z24's and they are an embarrasment. I wouldn't even look back when I raced one at the track.

fly89gta

iTrader: (1)

i never saw the thread, but i wouldn't have wasted my time running a cavalier

TBI305Camaro

i plan on going carb when i swap in the 350. Im either buying a GM performance crate engine or a new lo5 and putting in a better cam/intake/distributer on it for now and switching heads later. i say the lo5 would be pushing around 280hp for about 2k plus odds and ends. before i do that tho i need posi and gears/sfc/and a better exhaust setup. plus i may go ahead and install the carb/intake/distributer on my 305 so by the time the 350 goes in i will know how to tune it much better. Plus i was thinking about getting a edelbrock n2o kit and running a 50shot through the 305 and possibly more once the 350 is broke in.

Momar

My friend had a 90 z24 then a 97 and the 97 was faster but now he has an 91 tbi 5 spd rs and it is faster than either of his cavaliers were and the 97 was a 5 spd.

Ben

fly89gta

iTrader: (1)

its still pretty bad a fbody is being compared to a cavalier...

iroc22

When I see the new 2.4 Cav's at the track, they're all running 15.5-16.0 with 5-spd's. Usual mods are exhaust and cold air intake.

ericmac450

Here is my timeslips...sorry for the large picture but it's hard to read otherwise. I am number 809 I have a 2000 Cavalier Z24 with 5 speed, and a home bulit intake...I am putting a header on soon as well as full exhaust and hope to pick up a few tenths. While granted these cars are not the fastest in the world *by any means* It does hold it's own. And I have beaten a 3rd gen with the 305. I am not sure if he was an auto or a manual, but I do know that he tried 3 times, one time he was in front of me by 3 or 4 car lengths and I still pulled on him hard and gain pretty good. I would assume he was an auto.

I have never bashed a Camaro on this site or any other and I could only expect the same about my Cavalier.

You never posted your times TBI305Camaro so I can't really compair, but from most 305 TBI's that I have seen and driven, unless your car is just in GREAT shape I think I could give you a very good run for your money!

Anyway, resume...

Oh yeah I almost forgot! In the first timeslip it was me vs. a foxbody mustang...he had the 5.0 but it must not have been running very good...I have a video of that race that I can post a little later...I pulled on him HARD off the start then you see where I missed 3rd and he pulls ahead then I start to pull on him again...it's pretty funny...the guy was amazed!

HrdRockA4305

If you compare timeslips alone... eric who posted above me's Cav runs faster than mine... and so do lots of others. Most of the 5 speed ones i've seen at the track were in the 15.6 range, with "the usuals." Best I got this year is in my sig, and thats .6 faster than last year. But also think about this... the cars I'm comparing myself to here are less than half my cars age and milage, and have 5 speeds. 133,000 miles and burning a quart of oil per month isn't exactly working to my advantage... and neither is the fact that I've got the low output engine that wasn't really meant to go that fast in the first place.

90Iroc-Zee

keep it at yet...i had a 305 tbi and sound nice with headers/catback and maybe some 3.42s but leave it at that. they are nice daily drivers but thats it. i mean ur bragging about beating a 4 cyl, look at how much $$$ and far you have 2 go...

TBI305Camaro

I know its sad...ive never been to the track...anyways i dont care in a couple months I will have a 350 in...more than likely a brand new GM goodwrench lo5 with a hotter cam/edelbrock intake and holley carb...then i wont have to worry about stupid 4 cyclinders and hopefully not even some mustangs. I will also have a posi 3.42 rear and SFC before that.

And yes the car runs VERY good for its age. I let the previous owner drive it after i got the exhaust and wires/plugs and so on. after getting everything right he drove it and he about creamed his pants. Its definetly a big improvement over what it was. But with the 350 im sure it will hold its own.

avro206

Why don't you take it to the track and get a baseline time?

You'll at least know how much quicker your car is after you spend the time/money for the 350.

TBI305Camaro

there is only one track near me and thats a 1/8th mile track. plus i work nights so i never have time to go

Crazy Firebird Kid

The older 3.1 MPFI V6 models were rated at 140 hp and they were heavier then the new ones, which have a 4 cyl 2.4 twin cam rated at 150 hp. Not that either are fast, but the newer ones are faster then the older ones.

88ROC1LE

iTrader: (4)

The 3.1 MPFI V6 of 1992 was rated at 155 hp. This according to my owners manual, if I am mistaken in that, take it up with General Motors.(F.Y.I. The 1995 3100 has just 5 more hp,ex. my brothers Beretta) As far as the weight goes you are correct, they are boats. I was still able to beat(not by much) Grand Am GT's with the 3.4 Ram Air at street night though

avro206

Just to correct you 88ROC1LE- the 92 3.1 was rated at 140hp- 155 was a rating for the "3100" which was avaible in 94 or something like that.

And as for racing a beating a Grand Am GT 3400 V6-
not a chance. They are mid 15 sec cars- I know I have raced one and timeslip to prove.

I agree with you crazy firebirdkid- the new Z24's are faster then the old V6 ones.

v8powr

just to comment....i had a 91 grand am with the 2.2L h.o engine thats rated stock at 180hp with the 5 speed that killed my RS camaro on the street redlight to redlight. Thats stock for stock with the RS sportin 3.08 posi and 5speed. Also thats with my grandam having massive tirespin in 1st. Those H.O 2.2 are fast for what they are. I miss that car...but i love my camaro too.

avro206

FYI- it's a 2.3L- called a Quad 4. Yes, they were quite stong in the 180hp version.

Also it's quite easy to spin tires on a FWD- the weight tranfers to the back wheels, unloading the front end.

v8powr

dam i mae myself look like an idiot! My 84dodge 600 had the 2.2L I cant believe i did that! I mean it says quad 4 HO on the top of the motor! DUH stupid me....oh well. But yea that sucker was quick. I still wish i had it. I havent seen many like the LE i had with the front spoiler and fog lights. If I couldfind one i the shape mine was in id probabaly get another one. But my right foot did that car in. Thats what happens when your young and cant afford to fix the little things. Little things add up!

TBI305Camaro

i stopped driving mine as hard as i used to since i cant break anymore stuff...getting expensive. plus i cant afford to spin my 140$ a piece z rated dunlops like i used to spin the old firehawks (many many times a day) i guess ill learn someday

88ROC1LE

iTrader: (4)

I will put it to you like this, I have raced a Grand Am GT with Ram Air, which is b.s. anyway, and have beat them on the track and street with my Cavalier. Now maybe that 140hp is correct(I'm just going on my owners literature). You also forgot to ask what I had done to my Z24 as far as mods! Would you go this far in a Camaro discussion saying there was "no way" he beat ______ without knowing what he had done to his car, would you? It's like saying a 305 T.B.I guy says he beat a 88 5.7 IROC. Would you say no way or ask about what he did to the car to accomplish that. GIVE ME A LITTLE CREDIT visit www.v6z24.com I think, and revel in the power that is the 3.1(my car is just like the one on this site)

avro206

You are correct- toatlly my fault.

What I meant to say (but didn't) was all things being equal- (both cars stock) the GAGT would win.

Too bad we can't race eh? I have seldom seen a
modded Z24 (V6) which is as fast as the GAGT- but of course anythings possible.

But doesn't GM have a Supercharger kit for the2.4L now? Guess I'll be eating my words pretty soon

88ROC1LE

iTrader: (4)

That's o.k not many people take even a second glance at the 3.1 they just pass right on to the 3100 and the 3400,3800 etc.. I have done quite a bit, but when I was racing I was losing compression and eventually the rod strted knocking. Did you check out that site? Pretty informative and some interesting kill stories and tech from the domestic FWD. They have quite a battle going with rice too!! F.Y.I did you know the 3.1Turbo(I believe the motor code is LG9B or something like that) made 205 hp 220lb torque but only 1000 or so were built and stuck in......pontiac TGP's!Talk about rare. The origionator of the v6 site has been looking for one for years with no luck!

Camaro_1986_19

man i don't know how u guys drive, my buddy rick who races at the local speedway has a 2002 Cavalier with the 2.4 DOHC 5 Speed, I have an 86 Camaro 2.8 V6, All mods I have are K+N Filter, Accel Wires, Accel super coil, Bosch Platinum +4 plugs, and a Dynomax catback exhaust.
I absolutley blew his doors in, We raced twice, I beat him by a whole ****load both times, I am seriously starting to hate Cavalier's, There are too many of them around, And they claim to be fast, THEY ARE A MOTHER****IN JOKE, my girlfriend got a 2002 Cavalier with the "Sport Appearance Package" and the 2.2 liter motor, her's is auto, I whipped her *** too, Cavalier's and Sunfire's are too funny, WHY THE HELL WOULD THEY CALL A SUNFIRE A "GT"

Tom84L69

i remember the turbo grand prixs. they were about 1991s or so. cool cars but once the dohc 3.4 came out, there was no need for the turbo 3.1. my dad was a ride/handling engineer on gm W cars of that era, his project was the cutlass supreme. he's been around the 2.8/3.1/3.4 engine family since it's inception. the dohc 3.4 is actually based on the 3.1. the 3.8 is a much better motor but that is now being phased out of production. believe it or not, there is actually a new version of the 2.8/3.1/3.4 motor in the works. it's a 3.9 pushrod motor that is in the next gen buick rendevous.

gm has had trouble with the 3.1. my sister's 96 lumina has one and has piston slap on cold startup that is so bad that the cylinder actually misses. it's currently in the dealer for "diagnosis", we're trying to get gm to fix it for free, it only has 68,000 miles.

avro206

Neat info Tom. I remeber they called the DOHC 3.4
GM's most exspensive V6- high maitnence.

Kinda neat how they adapted the 3.1L OHV to an DOHC and then used the 4 valve heads.

3800 being phased out? About time! Any idea when or when the 3.9 will come out?

avro206

Camaro 1986_19:

You said your friend races his Cavileir at the track, what are his times?

Have you raced your car at the track, what are your times?

I really have a hard time with this- I have a road test of an 87 Camaro RS 5 spd V6- 17.3 in the 1/4.
New Z24s are low 16's.

Momar

My friends dad has a 2.8 v6 5spd camaro he is trying to sell right now. He said that it was a joke even for a v6. He said he had a s10 with a 2.8 that was faster than these are.

88ROC1LE

iTrader: (4)

I would be interested in finding out about that 3.9! Right now I am doing a 3.8 conversion on the 92Z24, tucking in a supercharged 3.8 out of a G.T.P. in the front of one of these cars is not easy! We have the motor and tranny in(both out of a 98 G.T.P) and basically doing asthetics and trying to get the suspension correct. The camber is way off! We have started the motor and everything seems to be going good, the computer from the G.T.P. is working for the most part, still some sensors unplugged. But we got to get the suspension right though, no powersteering!

Any H.P. info on that 3.9 ??

Camaro_1986_19

my car has ***** out the ***, we didn't race at a track, we raced a straight line road. I do know my 0-60 is 7.37 because my friend Garry had a stopwatch and we timed it

Momar

Is your car stock?

Tom84L69

no numbers on that yet. it may not even make production, it's just another experiment that gm does, like the v8 impalas and monte carlos that were running around.

88ROC1LE

iTrader: (4)

O.I.C. It would be cool though. Personnaly I would like to see them(GM) go back to the rear wheel drive car production, or even all wheel drive. I like the Dale Earnhardt edition Monte SS's around here, to bad they don't have an LS1 tucked in them

REVLIMIT

Stock Z24s run on an average of low 16's. Stock Lo3 3rd gens go on an average of low 16's. So they kinda mean stock vs. stock. or the Z24 with mods vs. stock Lo3. My car with a flomaster muffler ran 16.3 so a Z24 in that time could have either kept up with me. Or possibly even beat me. But now I'm runnin 14's. So its kinda different.

avro206

ah...the super accurate stop watch 0-60 test-
it's what all the car mags use too!

Camaro_1986_19

He pressed the button as soon as I gunned it, I caught excellent traction, His Cavy runs 16.3 at the track, My car ain't stock,
It's got a Hypertech powerchip, Dynomax catback exhaust, Performance Cam, I am taking a wild guess but my little 6 might be running anywhere from 15.0-15.5

Tom84L69

88iroc, the v8s they had in the impalas and montes were 4.8 liter truck motors that are based on the ls1. i'm sure they had some tweaks from the truck versions but they were still front drive! i drove the impala version, it was friggin fast, but they cancelled the program, too bad.

avro206

A cam? You didn't mention that in the previous post. That'll make up some more hp then the exhaust

88ROC1LE

iTrader: (4)

They kept them front wheel drive! Well, I know the 4 liter Aurora is a V8 front wheel drive, as well as a caddy, can't remember which one though. I worked at Oldsmobile for a while and the Aurora was a dog, I wish the 4 liter v8 would have been put in a GTP or at least better gearing in the Aurora