Nightcruzer

The question comes up 10 times a day, "What should I buy/build/modify?, I want to go faster, corner harder, look cooler". The usual answers are, "What do YOU want to use the car for?, What is YOUR budget? 150hp shot!! Turbo!! BAER!! etc."

Well how does one know what they REALLY want? Do I want to be in the 14's , 13's , 12's , 11's ? How do I know what is reasonable, probable? I read post after post after post, "Yeah Yeah Yeah I want 11's!! Your 14 is a dog! Can my LG4 go 12.0 N/A? Do YOU even know how to put that into perspective? Well I didn't and got caught up in this obsessive desire to go low 12's, maybe 11's, but became depressed and discouraged at the thought of the financial impossibility of my desires and situation.

So I collected information from Motor Trend, Car and Driver and www.car-stats.com to find out what those 1/4 mile timeslips REALLY mean....to me at least.

So before you drop 15 Grand to go 11's reliably (which is an awesome deal considering the company you would keep) without Nitrous, look at the following table and ask yourself:
REALISTICALLY, WHO DO YOU WANT TO RUN WITH?

I would be extremely satisfied if I could run 13.6 . It would go something like this, "You know my 83 TA can outrun a stock 86 Countach, a 90 Lotus Esprit Turbo and 99 Ferrari 456M GTA in the quarter AND I have a time slip to prove it"

You know what you can do and now you now what to look out for and build the speed machine you want.


1/4 YEAR MODEL
11.0 to 11.9 SECOND CLUB
11.20 2000 Porsche 911 GT3R
11.30 1995 Ferrari 333 SP
11.80 2001 Lamborghini Diablo VT 6.0
11.80 1992 Ferrari F40
11.90 2002 Porsche 911 GT2
11.90 2001 Porsche 911 Turbo
11.90 1997 Porsche 911 Turbo S
12.0 to 12.5 SECONDS
12.10 1999 Shelby Series 1 SC
12.10 1996 Porsche 911 Turbo
12.10 1997 Ferrari F50
12.20 2000 Dodge Viper ACR
12.20 2000 Ferrari 360 Modena
12.20 1999 Dodge Viper GTS
12.20 1998 Dodge Viper RT/10
12.30 2000 Dodge Viper RT/10
12.30 2000 Porsche 911 Turbo
12.30 1996 Dodge Viper GTS
12.40 2002 Chevrolet Corvette Z06
12.40 2001 Porsche 911 Turbo
12.50 2000 Ferrari 550 Marenello
12.6 to 12.9 SECONDS
12.60 2001 Corvette Z06
12.60 2001 Porsche 911 Turbo Tiptronic S
12.60 1991 Jaguar XJR-15
12.70 1998 Lotus Esprit V8
12.70 1996 Ferrari 550 Marenello
12.70 1993 Porsche 911 Turbo 3.6
12.70 1965 Shelby Cobra
12.80 2001 BMW Z8
12.80 1999 Shelby Series 1
12.80 1998 Lotus Esprit V8 Turbo
12.80 1995 Dodge Viper RT/10
12.80 1995 Ferrari F355 Berlinetta
12.80 1990 Chevrolet Corvette ZR-1
12.80 1966 Chevrolet Corvette
12.90 2002 Aston Martin V12 Vanquish
12.90 2002 Ferrari 360 Spider
12.90 2001 Ford Roush Stage 3 Modena
12.90 1998 Acura NSX
12.90 1998 Ford Saleen S351
12.90 1994 Porsche 911 Turbo 3.6
12.90 1992 Ferrari 512 TR
13.0 to 13.4 SECONDS
13.00 2002 Mercedes-Benz SLK32 AMG
13.00 2000 SVT Mustang Cobra R
13.00 2000 Ferrari 360 Modena F1
13.00 1999 Saleen S351
13.00 1998 Ferrari 355 F1
13.00 1995 Lotus Esprit S4S
13.10 2002 Maserati Spyder Cambiocorsa
13.10 2001 BMW M5
13.10 2001 BMW M Roadster
13.10 2001 Chevrolet Corvette
13.10 1999 Acura NSX Zanardi
13.10 1995 Corvette ZR-1
13.10 1992 Dodge Viper RT/10
13.20 2002 BMW M3
13.20 2001 Chrysler Prowler
13.20 2001 Ferrari 360 Spider F1
13.20 2000 Ford Mustang Cobra R
13.20 2000 BMW M5
13.20 1999 Chevrolet Corvette Hardtop
13.20 1997 Ferrari F355 Berlineta
13.20 1996 Dodge Viper RT/10
13.20 1995 Lamborghini Diablo VT
13.20 1991 Lotus Esprit X-180R Turbo
13.30 2001 Ferrari 550 Barchetta Pininfarina
13.30 2000 Mercedes E55 AMG
13.30 1999 Corvette Hardtop
13.30 1998 Ferrari F355 F1
13.30 1997 Ferrari 456 GTA
13.30 1996 Chevrolet Corvette Grand Sport
13.30 1996 Lotus Esprit S4S
13.30 1993 Lotus Esprit Turbo S4
13.40 1999 Porsche 911 Carrera 4
13.40 1999 Saleen S281
13.40 1997 Chevrolet Corvette
13.40 1996 Ferrari F355 Spider
13.40 1995 Ferrari 456 GT
13.40 1993 Lotus Esprit Turbo
13.40 1993 Toyota Supra Turbo
13.40 1990 Pontiac Formula Firehawk
13.40 1986 Ferrari Testarossa
13.5 to 13.9 SECONDS
13.50 2000 Jaguar XKR
13.50 2002 Chevrolet Camaro SS
13.50 2001 Ford Mustang Cobra
13.50 2000 Pontiac Trans Am WS6
13.50 1999 Mercedes-Benz E55 AMG
13.50 1998 Chevrolet Corvette
13.50 1998 Jaguar XJR
13.50 1998 Pontiac Trans Am Firehawk
13.50 1997 Acura NSX-T
13.50 1995 Mitsubishi 3000 GT VR4
13.50 1995 Toyota Supra Turbo
13.50 1993 Pontiac Firebird Firehawk
13.50 1987 Buick Grand National (GNX)
13.50 1982 Ferrari 512 Berlinetta Boxer
13.50 1969 Chevrolet Corvette ZL-1
13.60 2001 Aston Martin DB7 Vantage Volante
13.60 2000 Pontiac Firebird Formula
13.60 1998 Chevrolet Corvette
13.60 1997 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 SS LT4
13.60 1997 Mitsubishi 3000 GT VR4
13.60 1997 Porsche 911 Carrera S
13.60 1997 Toyota Supra Turbo
13.60 1994 Acura NSX
13.60 1989 Lotus Esprit Turbo
13.60 1989 Porsche 911 Turbo
13.60 1985 Ferrari Testarossa
13.70 2002 BMW M3 Convertible
13.70 2002 Mercedes-Benz C32 AMG
13.70 2001 Mercedes-Benz CLK55 AMG
13.70 2000 BMW M Roadster
13.70 2000 Camaro Z28 SS
13.70 1998 Jaguar XJR
13.70 1998 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 SS
13.70 1997 Toyota Supra Turbo
13.70 1996 Ford Saleen S351R Speedster
13.70 1995 Chevrolet Corvette
13.70 1994 Toyota Supra Turbo
13.70 1990 Lotus Esprit Turbo SE
13.70 1986 Lamborghini Countach
13.80 2001 Chevrolet Camaro Z28
13.80 2000 Honda S 2000
13.80 2000 Chevrolet Corvette
13.80 2000 Ford Saleen S281 SC
13.80 2000 Jaguar XJR
13.80 2000 Porsche Boxter S
13.80 1999 BMW M Coupe
13.80 1999 Porsche 911 Cabriolet
13.80 1999 Chevrolet Camaro Z28
13.80 1998 Chevrolet Corvette
13.80 1998 Pontiac Firebird Formula
13.80 1996 Acura NSX
13.80 1995 Acura NSX-T
13.80 1995 Porsche 911 Carrera
13.80 1993 Nissan 300ZX Turbo
13.80 1993 Porsche 911 RS America
13.80 1991 Mitsubishi 3000 GT VR4
13.80 1969 Chevrolet Camaro ZL-1
13.80 1969 Chevrolet Corvette
13.80 1967 Chevrolet Corvette L71
13.90 2001 Jaguar XKR Silverstone
13.90 2001 Lexus GS 430
13.90 2001 Mercedes-Benz S600
13.90 2001 Porsche Boxter S
13.90 2000 Mercedes-Benz E55 AMG
13.90 2000 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am
13.90 1999 BMW M Coupe
13.90 1999 Chevrolet Z28 SS (conv)
13.90 1995 BMW M3 Lightweight
13.90 1995 Nissan 300ZX Turbo
13.90 1995 Pontiac SLP Firehawk
13.90 1993 Acura NSX
13.90 1993 Chevrolet Corvette
13.90 1993 Mazda RX7
13.90 1992 Chevrolet Corvette ZR-1
13.90 1989 Porsche Carrera 4
13.90 1987 Buick Grand National
13.90 1987 Porsche 928 S4
14.0 SECONDS FLAT
14.00 2001 Ford Mustang GT
14.00 2001 Mercedes-Benz S55 AMG
14.00 2001 Porsche 911 Carrera
14.00 2000 Ford F150 SVT Ltning
14.00 1999 Camaro Z28 Convert
14.00 1999 Mustang GT
14.00 1999 Ferrari 456M GTA
14.00 1998 BMW M3 Sedan
14.00 1998 BMW M Roadster
14.00 1998 Ford Mustang Cobra
14.00 1995 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am
14.00 1993 Ferrari 348 tb Serie Speciale
14.00 1993 Mitsubishi 3000 GT VR4

V8Astro Captain

iTrader: (1)

If I got my van into the 14's you'd see me with a grin ear to ear for a month. 14.3 something like that would be fun as hell.

I figure making it any faster than that will make it totally useless for what it really is, A VAN. I like being able to haul lots of stuff in it. If it got any faster, I would be sacrificing driveability.

How fun would it be to put 7 sheets of 4x8 plywood in the back if I had a rollcage!?!?! I couldn't use my white leather sofa as the rear bench ever again

Oh yeah, good job on listing all those stats. That must've taken a while. I hate it when people think they have a fast car and they ASSUME they will run a 13 no problem. I got news for them. If you've ever been in a 13 second car, it feels like your taking off. 11 seconds make me DIZZY *** hell, almost feels like you could hold a steady orbit.

I've seen a guy with a perfectly streetable '89 Astro with a '99 LS1 and matching tranny. He runs a 14.3.

89 Iroc Z

I have found to www.car-stats.com to be very inaccurate at times. For example a Ferrari F40 does not run a 11.80. It runs in the 13's. Nice post, just trying to warn you that site can be inaccurate.

Vader

I don't really need to run with any of those guys. With only about three exceptions that I could count in the entire list, they can't run with the big boys, anyway. I'm targeting the 200 MPH marker in a sedan, and I'm only about 38 MPH away (unfortunately, that's a lot of horsepower from 200 MPH). It's not the fastest time to get to the end of the traps, but it's a different kind of "fast". It gets deeper into the entire car instead of the engine and drive train. The body can be more of a factor than the engine. The driveshaft alone can cost you speed.

If you research the older NASCAR and Grand National cars that would run at 240 MPH for hours on end (before it was politically incorrect), none of them would get much better than a 15-16 second ¼ mile. That sucks, unless you plan to race more than a few hundred feet. Then again, if you wimp out at the end of the block.

It's utterly amazing how many people want to throw in the towel, close their eyes and yell, and some that even cry "Mommy" as soon as you pass the 150 mark. "Umm, you might not want to ride with me any more..."

Besides, I really only need to hit the bicentennial mark once, just to say it can be done.

rezinn

I'll second the innaccuracy. Seems they were very conservative on a lot of GM cars.

Mark A Shields

I picked the low 12s since you said REALISTICALLY, and that's what I want out of THIS car. But once college is over and the real job comes, I want a streetable 9 sec. car. Whether it be a Camaro, Corvette, or Mustang.

cort351w

Not to knitpick, but I'm confused by the 13.00 2000 SVT Mustang Cobra. Besides there not being a 2000 Mustang Cobra, this fictitious vee-hickle outruns the 2000 Cobra R, which did exist.

As for my car, I'd just like to be able to hang with LT1's and the newer Mustang GT's. However, in reality (in which time and money are factors), I'm not sure that my 91 LB9 5-speed WS6 Formula will be that quick. I just want a fun car to drive on the street.

Gta-Paladin

C'mon REALISTICALLY, who's ever had enough? Vader once you reach your magic 200 are you honestly going to be satisfied... or is it quite possible that you'll yearn for that extra 10 mph JUST to see if it can be done?
I'm in them miniscule 14's right now, im gunning for 13's next year.. then twelves and so on.. i dont think i'll really ever be satisfied...
Even if i ran 6's (not that it'll ever happen)
I think it's human nature

BuckeyeROC

I hope to run mid 12's when winter is over and mid 11's in the fall (nitrous). I'm sure once I run both those times, I'll want to go faster. It would be nice to know that I could beat *almost* anything on the street (there's ALWAYS someone faster). I wouldn't mind pulling up to one of the very few Vipers around here and spanking him or the Lambo Diablo a guy at my church has.

Nightcruzer

As for the inaccuracies, there may be a few as I have neither the desire or the time to verify every single one, but you SHOULD have a very good idea of the "crowd" you can generally run with in the 1/4. The list is just a cut-and-paste job, with a little sorting. I appreciate the heads-up and will make a few changes as they come, but if a car does/doesn't exist or is slower/faster please post what it should be i.e with ACTUAL times AND a source.
Remember, many of the ones from Motor Trend and Car and Driver are the test numbers they got while driving these cars as delivered from the factory. No special tuning, with professional drivers, during a short test session, not the "best" number that the factory can repeatedly test and tune in order to acheive in the 1/4. In fact both MT and C&D many times tested the same car with different results (which is very realistic), but I only listed it once to keep the list shorter.

As for you Vader, IMO the Master Jedi of thirdgen.org, if anyone can hit 200mph I'm sure you can with....enough "force" (I couldn't resist). It is refreshing to see someone want top speed, but I guess since 90+% of people will just never have the opportunity to see theirs, the boards are dominated by the quarter. If you reach your mark, you then would be in a list probably even more exclusive than the 11 second club. I haven't done the research, but if we made a top speed list, say starting at 150mph, I'm sure the list would be much, much shorter. Just make sure you video tape your run when you think your close. Have someone tape from the outside and a camera mounted inside, so guys like me can have a vague idea what is is really like.

An Astro in the 14's? That would be How many f bodies and fox bodies would be stunned by the ultimate sleeper. I see the post now "An Astro beat me today by a car length, I had him at the line but...... HELP HELP HELP!"

Hey Cort351w I really don't make this stuff up http://www.womanmotorist.com/review/...-r-2k-01.shtml but I did add the R

As for the Ferrari F40 I am letting it stand. Another 4th source
http://www.supercars.net/cars/1991@$Ferrari@$F40.html

And thanks to everyone who likes the post!!

jcb999

Try some of these:
http://www.f-body.org/timeslips/drillslip.cfm?et=10

If I can't make a 3200lb car with 4.1 gear and 500+ hp walk anything that was factory something is wrong.

Maybe a hennessy viper or a
http://lingenfelter.com/

Rob P

iTrader: (1)

I'd like to break the 12.99 barrier. I think I'd be close if my 700R4 wasn't so damn stock and so damn slow at shifting! I ran 13.81 with a L98 and some bolt-on's in the same car. Now with the ZZ4, better intake and headers I think a low 13 run would be possible if not for the tranny. And perhaps if the planets aligned at a good sea-level track on a dense air day I could crack the 12's.

And I agree, 200 is pretty darn fast. I had my 91Z28 L98 up to 143 and that was pretty fast! I'm not sure I would want to go that extra 57mph! My 89RSconvtZZ4 will bury the 145 speedo but in a 200,000 mile convertible, common sense takes over. Top down, aerodynamic barrier, top up, it may blow off!

BuckeyeROC

I think 200 MPH would be ok in the right car. I've been up to 135 with absolutely no fear and loving it in my IROC, but it wouldn't shift into OD at that point so I shut it down. I only drive it on the street though, so I almost never go that fast. I think 200 MPH would be cool, as long as you were in the right car. It would be scary as hell in something unstable though. I personally would rather have the car setup for quick acceleration instead of top speed, which is why I got rid of that crappy 2.77 rearend.

Dave's 89

I'd be very happy running a low to mid 12. Something thats drivable on a daily basis, and can destroy damn near anything on the street. I can't recall the last time a Porsche twin turbo, or a ferarri f-50 chalenged me to a race!

BikertrashDude

10.0 2001 ford focus

but really i guess we all want to spank that evil ***** next to us at a stop light...
I'd be happy in the mid 13s when i get the car....
hell you guys think 150mph is bad and scary try doing it on the back of a CBR600F3 with a open face helmet, I hit about 148mph before i chickened out.
200mph would be a feat in any thing, good luck vader.
later
bikertrash

branz28

Honestly, if you doing 150 mph there is no need to be scared. You're already in the f'cked position if you hit something and lose control. Know what i mean? I've done top end racing with my cousin once before on a pretty deserted stretch of highway, once i hit 145 and shifted into OD i just kept it floored. I can't say i was scared, more worried about having to buy new body panels when they rattled off I would be happy doing 13's in the 1/4 and even happier with 12's. Will i hit it? Dunno, never been to the track. Maybe i can get there this spring.

IROCZTWENTYGR8

iTrader: (1)

12.0-12.4, maybe somewhere in the 11's. Wouln't a car in the 11's on an N/A 350 take away drivability some?? I like dailydrivers.

88IROC350TPI

My goal is single digits while still keeping it streetable. Crazy goal but its finally slowly coming together.