Tech / General Engine Is your car making a strange sound or won't start? Thinking of adding power with a new combination? Need other technical information or engine specific advice? Don't see another board for your problem? Post it here!

Stumped, yet again. Phantom 42 and 51

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 06-08-2012, 01:06 PM
  #1  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Black88Z's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Charlotte, NC
Posts: 507
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Car: 1988 IROC-Z Camaro, 1981 Trans Am
Engine: 350 TPI, 301 N/A
Transmission: 700r4, 350thm
Stumped, yet again. Phantom 42 and 51

The car was giving me symptoms of a bad coil, it would usually run ok but would occasionally lose all its power, sometimes at a stop the rpms would start climbing, and i would really have to hold the brake down to keep the car still (never got bad enough i had to put it in neutral or shut it off). It would even stall out sometimes, then when i go to restart it it starts fine and acts like theres no problem. For a while it never would throw a code, then it finally did. Gave me 42 and 51.


Code 42: Fault at electronic spark timing circuit OR Fault at direct ignition system OR Fault at fuel cutoff relay circuit

Code 51: PROM error


The other day it stalled on me 3 times, 2ce within about 3-5 miles. Each time after it stalled, it didnt want to restart immediatly, but after a few minutes it would, and it ran ok again. I replaced the coil with an msd coil and it seemed to help for a little while, but it stalled again. I ran the codes, 42 and 51.

Replaced the ESC because i read thats a common cause of 42, hasnt stalled (yet, knock on wood!!) but just gave me the ses light (42 & 51). Shut it off, restarted it, and still had the light. I shut it off again, came back about 15min later and started it, no light and no problems.

I have noticed that almost every time (to be honest, im almost positive its been EVERY TIME) i get a code, 51 pops up with it.

I have ohmed my injectors several times, warm and cold, and they all were within spec. I havent done it in about a month though, so i will do this AGAIN, just to be sure.


Im not very familiar with PROMS, i know their function but dont know much about them. If its giving me 51, what can that mean?

Thanks for the help
Old 06-08-2012, 09:41 PM
  #2  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Black88Z's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Charlotte, NC
Posts: 507
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Car: 1988 IROC-Z Camaro, 1981 Trans Am
Engine: 350 TPI, 301 N/A
Transmission: 700r4, 350thm
Re: Stumped, yet again. Phantom 42 and 51

Anyone?
Old 06-10-2012, 05:45 PM
  #3  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Black88Z's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Charlotte, NC
Posts: 507
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Car: 1988 IROC-Z Camaro, 1981 Trans Am
Engine: 350 TPI, 301 N/A
Transmission: 700r4, 350thm
Re: Stumped, yet again. Phantom 42 and 51

Old 06-13-2012, 12:11 AM
  #4  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Black88Z's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Charlotte, NC
Posts: 507
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Car: 1988 IROC-Z Camaro, 1981 Trans Am
Engine: 350 TPI, 301 N/A
Transmission: 700r4, 350thm
Re: Stumped, yet again. Phantom 42 and 51

Theres really no one with any suggestions here? Still having the problem and would appreciate the advice..
Old 06-13-2012, 12:44 AM
  #5  
Supreme Member
iTrader: (1)
 
camarosrock1989's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Arizona
Posts: 1,062
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Car: 1989 Camaro RS--
Engine: MPFI
Transmission: 700r4
Re: Stumped, yet again. Phantom 42 and 51

According to the service manual, 51 is accident detected. History code diagnosis. I have the book right in front of me. I am still trying to learn how to read this huge book. I can scan the whole page for you tomorrow if you like and post it. Tells a lot more about it. How to clear and what it all means.

Last edited by camarosrock1989; 06-13-2012 at 12:55 AM.
Old 06-13-2012, 07:25 AM
  #6  
Sponsor
TGO - 10 Year Member
iTrader: (92)
 
Tuned Performance's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Mile High Country !!!
Posts: 15,646
Received 715 Likes on 632 Posts
Car: 1967 Camaro, 91 z28
Engine: Lb9
Transmission: M20
Axle/Gears: J65 pbr on stock posi 10bolt
Re: Stumped, yet again. Phantom 42 and 51

With seeing the code 51 you may have a memcal issue or a ecm failure. The 1227165 ecm while running you can tap on the ecm this my flex the circuit board to duplicate the condition. I havent seen too many memcals fail over the years but did have one a while back have a bit flip causing the code 51.
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
NZKnight
Tech / General Engine
6
10-15-2015 02:47 PM
88CamZ
Engine Swap
9
10-08-2015 10:29 AM
TheCardinal
Exterior Parts for Sale
4
10-01-2015 07:40 PM
FormulaEngland
Interior
2
09-30-2015 01:50 PM



Quick Reply: Stumped, yet again. Phantom 42 and 51



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:35 AM.