Tech / General Engine Is your car making a strange sound or won't start? Thinking of adding power with a new combination? Need other technical information or engine specific advice? Don't see another board for your problem? Post it here!

alternator problem! wot charge

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 12-13-2011, 05:08 PM
  #1  
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
lancefits3's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 19
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
alternator problem! wot charge

did a v6 to v8 swap. during the swap my friend snipped a few wires that i have no idea where they went.

my alternators ( i tryed 3 and they all tested fine on my other car) wont charge so i figure its a wiring problem

its a 91 z28 alternator wiring. i looked all over online bt i can not find what the wires do on the alternator. gauge work so i guess thats wired up fine.

does it need key on power to any of the wires?

honestly if i get a diagram of the cnnector i can figure it out i cannot find it anywhere on the internet!

any help is appreciated!
Old 12-13-2011, 05:22 PM
  #2  
Senior Member

 
Awesome-X's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Bloomfield, IN
Posts: 880
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Car: 87 Camaro
Engine: 305
Transmission: 700R4
Re: alternator problem! wot charge

Yeah you need to have a 12V ignition source as your exciter wire. I had the same problem.
Old 12-13-2011, 05:26 PM
  #3  
Sponsor
TGO - 10 Year Member
iTrader: (92)
 
Tuned Performance's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Mile High Country !!!
Posts: 15,642
Received 715 Likes on 632 Posts
Car: 1967 Camaro, 91 z28
Engine: Lb9
Transmission: M20
Axle/Gears: J65 pbr on stock posi 10bolt
Re: alternator problem! wot charge

http://www.austinthirdgen.org/index.php?pid=19

it is a cs alternator, you can run a wire from the bat terminal to the exciter

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=207958
Old 12-13-2011, 05:31 PM
  #4  
Senior Member

 
Awesome-X's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Bloomfield, IN
Posts: 880
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Car: 87 Camaro
Engine: 305
Transmission: 700R4
Re: alternator problem! wot charge

Won't wiring it to a constant 12v burn the alternator up?

Yeah, don't wire it straight to the battery. "Caution: if you connect a full 12 volts to the "L" terminal without the resistor it will cause the voltage regulator to fail"

http://www.alternatorparts.com/GM_De...ng_diagram.htm

Last edited by Awesome-X; 12-13-2011 at 05:35 PM. Reason: Added important information
Old 12-13-2011, 05:35 PM
  #5  
Sponsor
TGO - 10 Year Member
iTrader: (92)
 
Tuned Performance's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Mile High Country !!!
Posts: 15,642
Received 715 Likes on 632 Posts
Car: 1967 Camaro, 91 z28
Engine: Lb9
Transmission: M20
Axle/Gears: J65 pbr on stock posi 10bolt
Re: alternator problem! wot charge

no it wont burn it up, the exciter usually gets its power from the ignition switch. I have done this on cs and si with no issues.
Old 12-13-2011, 05:43 PM
  #6  
Sponsor
TGO - 10 Year Member
iTrader: (92)
 
Tuned Performance's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Mile High Country !!!
Posts: 15,642
Received 715 Likes on 632 Posts
Car: 1967 Camaro, 91 z28
Engine: Lb9
Transmission: M20
Axle/Gears: J65 pbr on stock posi 10bolt
Re: alternator problem! wot charge

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/PRF-30707/

the white wire would be for the idiot light.
Old 12-13-2011, 05:45 PM
  #7  
Senior Member

 
Awesome-X's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Bloomfield, IN
Posts: 880
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Car: 87 Camaro
Engine: 305
Transmission: 700R4
Re: alternator problem! wot charge

Well I guess I could be wrong but I think it'll burn up if you leave it connected to a constant source of power, which is why it's connected to an ignition source with a resistor. My brother law has burned a couple up running them to constant hot sources in his drag cars and demo cars.
Old 12-13-2011, 06:08 PM
  #8  
Supreme Member

 
TreeFiddy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Sydney, Australia
Posts: 1,380
Likes: 0
Received 5 Likes on 5 Posts
Car: '86 TA
Engine: '74 350
Transmission: 700r4
Axle/Gears: 2.77
Re: alternator problem! wot charge

On the linked pigtail - red wire with the eye terminal goes on the batt+ post, the white (brown on the attached circuit) goes to switched ign thru a resistor/idiot light.
Attached Thumbnails alternator problem! wot charge-charging.jpg  
Old 12-13-2011, 09:13 PM
  #9  
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
lancefits3's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 19
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Re: alternator problem! wot charge

thanks everyone. i have it wired up right. but i guess my 12v ignition on may have fried or i mis read the multimeter.

i got big red to batt. what are the other 2 wires for? i believe i hooked the white to 12v key on. but there is still 1 wire left o.0 ?
Old 12-14-2011, 03:20 AM
  #10  
Supreme Member

 
TreeFiddy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Sydney, Australia
Posts: 1,380
Likes: 0
Received 5 Likes on 5 Posts
Car: '86 TA
Engine: '74 350
Transmission: 700r4
Axle/Gears: 2.77
Re: alternator problem! wot charge

Did you read my post?
Old 12-14-2011, 06:03 AM
  #11  
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
lancefits3's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 19
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Re: alternator problem! wot charge

Originally Posted by TreeFiddy
Did you read my post?
yes but it looks like there is only 3 used. the big 12 v then the 3 wrie connector. the diagram is only showing 2 of the wires on the cnnector being used
Old 12-14-2011, 09:27 AM
  #12  
Supreme Member

 
TreeFiddy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Sydney, Australia
Posts: 1,380
Likes: 0
Received 5 Likes on 5 Posts
Car: '86 TA
Engine: '74 350
Transmission: 700r4
Axle/Gears: 2.77
Re: alternator problem! wot charge

Sorry man, i assumed you had an si alt - do you have a cs? Never used one myself, besides the main output stud they have 4 terminals S, L, F and P.

In addition to Awesome's link up in post 4, this explains the terminals pretty well (on the second page):

http://www.alternatorparts.com/cs130_sbpage1.htm
Old 12-14-2011, 09:30 AM
  #13  
Sponsor
TGO - 10 Year Member
iTrader: (92)
 
Tuned Performance's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Mile High Country !!!
Posts: 15,642
Received 715 Likes on 632 Posts
Car: 1967 Camaro, 91 z28
Engine: Lb9
Transmission: M20
Axle/Gears: J65 pbr on stock posi 10bolt
Re: alternator problem! wot charge

good info to know !!!
Old 12-14-2011, 12:10 PM
  #14  
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
lancefits3's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 19
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Re: alternator problem! wot charge

Originally Posted by TreeFiddy
Sorry man, i assumed you had an si alt - do you have a cs? Never used one myself, besides the main output stud they have 4 terminals S, L, F and P.

In addition to Awesome's link up in post 4, this explains the terminals pretty well (on the second page):

http://www.alternatorparts.com/cs130_sbpage1.htm
okay so what it says is all it needs is L to be 12 v source and the main wire to batt. i thought i did this . the alternator worked for 2 minutes then no voltage at all? what could be frying the alternator?
Old 12-14-2011, 02:38 PM
  #15  
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
lancefits3's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 19
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Re: alternator problem! wot charge

okay i have l linked to a 12v source. f isnt connected to anything and s is going to the battery.

no alt output. i took a 12 v source off a relay. and even tryed a battery cahrger to pwer L still no power. the s power take on or off dosnt do anything. ad the main supply to the batt is hooked up.

i dont get it. this is the only thing holding me up from finsihing it. brand new alternator. worked for a minute then nothing after that. went back to autozone and it tested okay. wtf!!!!!
Old 12-14-2011, 03:17 PM
  #16  
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
lancefits3's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 19
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Re: alternator problem! wot charge

im stumped =[ is the alternator triggered by the computer?
Old 12-14-2011, 04:03 PM
  #17  
Sponsor
TGO - 10 Year Member
iTrader: (92)
 
Tuned Performance's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Mile High Country !!!
Posts: 15,642
Received 715 Likes on 632 Posts
Car: 1967 Camaro, 91 z28
Engine: Lb9
Transmission: M20
Axle/Gears: J65 pbr on stock posi 10bolt
Re: alternator problem! wot charge

S- sence wire, f- Ingintion , L- alt light , p- nc
Old 12-14-2011, 04:03 PM
  #18  
Sponsor
TGO - 10 Year Member
iTrader: (92)
 
Tuned Performance's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Mile High Country !!!
Posts: 15,642
Received 715 Likes on 632 Posts
Car: 1967 Camaro, 91 z28
Engine: Lb9
Transmission: M20
Axle/Gears: J65 pbr on stock posi 10bolt
Re: alternator problem! wot charge

Originally Posted by lancefits3
im stumped =[ is the alternator triggered by the computer?
NO, you just need to hook up F and S and the bat wire

Last edited by Tuned Performance; 12-14-2011 at 04:08 PM.
Old 12-14-2011, 09:53 PM
  #19  
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
lancefits3's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 19
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Re: alternator problem! wot charge

thanks for the info. i was hooking up L to 12 v key on( because the diagram looked like L went to 12v key on). and i guess it fryed the alt because i went back to autozone a 3rd time and it fails.

now i got a new alt. and going to try wiring it up again. due to wrok scedual i wont be able to try it till sat. so il give an update then.
Old 12-14-2011, 09:54 PM
  #20  
Sponsor
TGO - 10 Year Member
iTrader: (92)
 
Tuned Performance's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Mile High Country !!!
Posts: 15,642
Received 715 Likes on 632 Posts
Car: 1967 Camaro, 91 z28
Engine: Lb9
Transmission: M20
Axle/Gears: J65 pbr on stock posi 10bolt
Re: alternator problem! wot charge

don't let the smoke out of this alternator, Good luck !!!
Old 12-18-2011, 10:33 AM
  #21  
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
lancefits3's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 19
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Re: alternator problem! wot charge

okay 3rd genners thanks for all the help i believe i found the problem.

as always people forgetto include data like me.
when i fryed the new alt it happened when i hooked up the fan. i kept the ground hooked up to te cmputer and gave the black/redstriped wire 12v key on.
car ran and once i turned key off and out it stayed running for approx 30 seconds.

this may have causes a spike through the systems. new alt in wired the same minus the fans and it charges like a champ!.

now should i wire up the fan to a swtich then lol?
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
RazorN8
Tech / General Engine
4
01-07-2022 11:44 AM
db057
TBI
13
09-04-2015 07:57 AM
someone972
Transmissions and Drivetrain
6
08-30-2015 12:52 AM
Armored91Camaro
DIY PROM
3
08-12-2015 09:41 AM



Quick Reply: alternator problem! wot charge



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:21 AM.