Frankenstein 350 torn down; advice requested
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Car: 82 Camaro; in process of resto
Engine: 350 4bbl.
Transmission: 700R4 with B&M Lockup
Axle/Gears: Moser 28-spline axle; 3.23 gears
Frankenstein 350 torn down; advice requested
I have $600 that I can invest in a 350 that I have (I already have a rebuild gasket set, too), and could go to $750 if it was well spent. I want her to launch off the line like nobody's business, and I want it to be extremely difficult NOT to blow doors off of Sunday drivers on a straight-way. I don’t care as much about high speeds, but I don't want nitrous. I would like to know what 350hp or more feels like at my command.
Here’s what we know about my once called mystery engine subject of the upgrade:
It came out of a wrecked truck, and was rumored to have only 5,000 miles on it. It passed a leak down test with a maximum variance of 3%. The bearings are smooth. It is a good 350 block 2-bolt main, 3970010, “CNR” … but it is full of rebuilt of parts so she’s not going to see even the 300hp stock she once was without some work.
Here’s what we know about my once called mystery engine subject of the upgrade:
It came out of a wrecked truck, and was rumored to have only 5,000 miles on it. It passed a leak down test with a maximum variance of 3%. The bearings are smooth. It is a good 350 block 2-bolt main, 3970010, “CNR” … but it is full of rebuilt of parts so she’s not going to see even the 300hp stock she once was without some work.
- Heads are 333882, with standard rocker arms/springs. A little rust on one of the valves. Could replace with my old 305 heads, which are 378450...probably not a good idea, though?
- Pistons are .040” over, dished pistons. They weren't proud enough to brand them on top.
- The cast crank, 3932442 , date C21 3, isn’t stamped as being worked over; the bearings are Clemex CB 663P 010 with 0977004 1038 on the other side. The mains are MB2508PL 10C with 0977004 2035 on the other side. Should I replace these just because I have them apart?
- Good double roller timing chain.
- Cam is engraved with “S274 DO” on the back end. Again, no branding.
- Fuel pump is mechanical stock.
- Oil pump is stock; I tacked it as recommended (thanks for that tip).
- Water pump is mechanical stock.
- Intake is stock GM 346250; can replace with my Edelbrock 2101 Performer from 305 if value added, or find a deal on what you guys might think more appropriate for the cam (we are all apart anyway).
- Ignition will be from the 305-- MSD 8365
- New set of ACDelco R43S on my shelf
Last edited by yzarcem; 07-23-2011 at 12:59 PM. Reason: Added info on the main bearings
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Re: Frankenstein 350 torn down; advice requested
Might as well change it for a known quantity.
I don't know how far it's all going to go towards your goal of blowing doors off, but you can make it fun to drive. A $750 budget can get eaten up VERY quickly though.
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Re: Frankenstein 350 torn down; advice requested
On that budget and a 350HP goal you're going to be tight. What I'd build would be what I call a "hand greande special". Don't sweat it, they almost never blow up if you're careful and don't try to rev them like a race motor.
What it means, basically, is leaving the bottom end of the motor alone. Don't change pistons, rods or crank. Don't have any machine work done. Just new bearings and rings and put it back together.
Put the money where it will do the most good- cam and heads.
-882 casting heads are low-compression 76cc "emissions era" heads. THey will yield compression in the low 8s with stock-replacement dished pistons (which usually have about 12-13cc worth of total dish volume). That's too low. Plus they don't flow anything special.
Job one is increasing compression. If you could find some good Vortec heads you would not only improve compression (up to about 9:1) but you would also pick up a sizable increase in flow. BUT you couldn't use your current intakes- you would have to buy an aftermarket Vortec-style intake for about $175-200 (new).
If you don't want to go that way you could scour the classified for some nice standard intake-pattern heads with 64cc chambers. Maybe if you get lucky you could find some 64cc heads that are acutally performance-oriented. Like a nice old school set of Sportsman II heads or something similar. Just about ANYTHING that's got the smaller 64cc chambers and some kind of performance pedigree with the old 85-down intake bolt pattern will work.
Use the 305 heads only as a last resort. Yes, they will bump the compression up quite nicely, but they won't flow any better than your -882s. On the cheap, if your back is against the wall, use them if they're in good condtion.
Cam.... don't go nuts. With 64cc heads that flow anything better than stock you only need a mild "RV" performance cam. A Summit K1103 would work fine and costs nothing (about $90 with lifters). For a few bucks more you could pick up a more modern Comp XE256 or XE262 cam. Neither is "big and lumpy" but they are huge compared to a stock cam and will complement a modest build like this quite nicely. Remember to upgrade the springs in the heads to match the cam. A cheap set of eBay "Z-28" springs will work fine. Just don't try to use stock springs with a performance cam.
Yes, use the Perfomer intake.
Yes, put a decent exhaust on it. BUT DO NOT underestimate the cost of a complete exhaust with headers! On a 3rd Gen Camaro a set of shorty headers, matchign y-pipe and cat-back exhaust can run you easily your whole budget installed in the car.
What it means, basically, is leaving the bottom end of the motor alone. Don't change pistons, rods or crank. Don't have any machine work done. Just new bearings and rings and put it back together.
Put the money where it will do the most good- cam and heads.
-882 casting heads are low-compression 76cc "emissions era" heads. THey will yield compression in the low 8s with stock-replacement dished pistons (which usually have about 12-13cc worth of total dish volume). That's too low. Plus they don't flow anything special.
Job one is increasing compression. If you could find some good Vortec heads you would not only improve compression (up to about 9:1) but you would also pick up a sizable increase in flow. BUT you couldn't use your current intakes- you would have to buy an aftermarket Vortec-style intake for about $175-200 (new).
If you don't want to go that way you could scour the classified for some nice standard intake-pattern heads with 64cc chambers. Maybe if you get lucky you could find some 64cc heads that are acutally performance-oriented. Like a nice old school set of Sportsman II heads or something similar. Just about ANYTHING that's got the smaller 64cc chambers and some kind of performance pedigree with the old 85-down intake bolt pattern will work.
Use the 305 heads only as a last resort. Yes, they will bump the compression up quite nicely, but they won't flow any better than your -882s. On the cheap, if your back is against the wall, use them if they're in good condtion.
Cam.... don't go nuts. With 64cc heads that flow anything better than stock you only need a mild "RV" performance cam. A Summit K1103 would work fine and costs nothing (about $90 with lifters). For a few bucks more you could pick up a more modern Comp XE256 or XE262 cam. Neither is "big and lumpy" but they are huge compared to a stock cam and will complement a modest build like this quite nicely. Remember to upgrade the springs in the heads to match the cam. A cheap set of eBay "Z-28" springs will work fine. Just don't try to use stock springs with a performance cam.
Yes, use the Perfomer intake.
Yes, put a decent exhaust on it. BUT DO NOT underestimate the cost of a complete exhaust with headers! On a 3rd Gen Camaro a set of shorty headers, matchign y-pipe and cat-back exhaust can run you easily your whole budget installed in the car.
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Re: Frankenstein 350 torn down; advice requested
Sounds like a plan. Thank you both! I would like to stay out of Vortec unless I don't have a choice...too much to buy and remember. I do have the exhaust taken care of, so that is a bonus.
Would this be an improvement: 64cc chevy bowtie heads screw in studs guide plates 550 lift springs 202/160 valves. $550 for the pair
Would this be an improvement: 64cc chevy bowtie heads screw in studs guide plates 550 lift springs 202/160 valves. $550 for the pair
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Car: 82 Camaro; in process of resto
Engine: 350 4bbl.
Transmission: 700R4 with B&M Lockup
Axle/Gears: Moser 28-spline axle; 3.23 gears
Re: Frankenstein 350 torn down; advice requested
Thank you for that direction...those look awesome! I was starting to consider Vortec, but after taking into account that they are a little higher than this pair for the heads alone, add the special intake, new center-bolt valve covers, and the work to make sure there are no lift issues...I would be at lease $250 heavier if I went Vortec.
These look sexy!
These look sexy!
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