a non roller cam in a roller block is it possible?
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a non roller cam in a roller block is it possible?
ok i have a 1973 block that has a really nice cam in it which im sure is not a roller. then i have a 350 tpi block that has a roller cam in it. my question is can i use the cam that is a non roller in my roller block. or am i screwed and have to go buy a roller cam?
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Re: a non roller cam in a roller block is it possible?
Yes you can run a flat tappet cam in your roller cam block but it opens up other issues that you'll be forced to address along with other changes that you'll need to make if you intend to use it in conjunction with your TPI system. Why not just spring for a new roller cam suitable to the later block and more suitable to the TPI EFI system?
Good luck
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Re: a non roller cam in a roller block is it possible?
Most non-roller timing sets will have interference with roller blocks. Since grinding the block is dangerous if the engine is still assebled, you may need to put the cam gear on a lathe to get the clearance. This means mocking it up first, without the chain. You will need new lifters.
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Re: a non roller cam in a roller block is it possible?
You could re-use the flat tappet lifters from the old block if they are in good shape. You will need to keep them in the correct order if using the same pushrods & rockers. Also, the roller cam setup will have different length pushrods as well so watch out for that. You should measure the lift of this cam as well to make sure you have enough clearance and the correct valve springs to handle it. Really this is all going backwards. Why not find a nice used Roller cam to replace the current one and avoid all these problems?
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Re: a non roller cam in a roller block is it possible?
You may get lucky and get away with reusing the lifters with the same cam in a different block, but it's not worth taking the chance. In either case, it is absolutely necessary to keep them in the correct order, no matter what pushrods and rockers you use.
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Re: a non roller cam in a roller block is it possible?
ok im like flippin out then trhe freaking camshaft is coming out of a 305 it's a mid to high power cam really aggressive thats why im not getting a new cam. I have marked the lifters an such so that i can easily switch them into the new block in correct order but i did not even think about having to get new pushrods.........im so ****ed i hope miraculously they are the same length or i wont have it done by this weekend
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Re: a non roller cam in a roller block is it possible?
Push rods for a roller cam are significantly shorter than the push rods for a flat tappet- the roller lifter itself is longer.
If this is even a mildly aggressive flat tappet cam AND you're re-using the old lifters I'd be careful which oil you use and probably use an additive at each change. Last thing you want is to wipe a lobe and have to take the engine apart.
I'm sure if you add up the cost you're probably approaching a better, more efficient roller cam. One that can re-use all of your existing pieces/parts, won't require special oil, will get better mileage, more power and remain worry free...Nah, guess not.
If this is even a mildly aggressive flat tappet cam AND you're re-using the old lifters I'd be careful which oil you use and probably use an additive at each change. Last thing you want is to wipe a lobe and have to take the engine apart.
I'm sure if you add up the cost you're probably approaching a better, more efficient roller cam. One that can re-use all of your existing pieces/parts, won't require special oil, will get better mileage, more power and remain worry free...Nah, guess not.
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Re: a non roller cam in a roller block is it possible?
naf i know what i am doing is not the smartest or better thing to do but my problem is i dont have a job im running out of money im working with what i got and i have access to any machining i need done except to my heads so the lathe is covered. i have 97 dollars 15 for pinned studs and 70 for milling my heads i can use my whole setup off of my 305 with the pushrods cam and lifters and they only have 1000 miles on them so that is why im considering reusing them on top of that my dumbass bought roller rockers and now need guideplates and hardened pushrods cause of the slots on my heads. so im reusing the stock rockers the only way i see me getting a new roller cam is if i sell my roller rockers and make 80+dollars and i already picked up the valve covers to support the roller rockers i guess i just need so find some type of income or sell one of my 43 cars or maybe haul a couple off lol
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Re: a non roller cam in a roller block is it possible?
I see LT4 Hot Cam kits all the time for around $150-175. There's one on this site now for $120.
You'd be much happier with it.
You'd be much happier with it.
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Re: a non roller cam in a roller block is it possible?
roller cams are like three times the price of flat tappet cams grrrrrrrrrrr i mean i found a nice cam i wouls use and bam its a flat tappet for 100 bucks im really thinking it would be easier to buy a retrofit flat tappet and use my 305 pushrods and call it a day and i looked for the lt4 hotcam and could not find it who posted it?
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Re: a non roller cam in a roller block is it possible?
Two that were at $120 appear to be sold. They're always available through Ebay though, too.
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Re: a non roller cam in a roller block is it possible?
LT1 cam's work the same as the LT4 hot cam, just less lift, around 450 int/460 exh. They are around 20-50$.
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