I've got gas.....in places it shouldn't be (UPDATED W/VIDEO)
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I've got gas.....in places it shouldn't be (UPDATED W/VIDEO)
So I went to remove the fuel pump and I've got gas pouring out of the engine (note, the car is up on jacks on both sides up front and the mechanical pump is up front). Checked the oil and i've got gas!
The engine did flood prior to parking the car weeks ago and when I jacked the front of the car up I found gas coming out the exhaust.
Is the engine shot or possibly just a bad fuel pump like I'm hoping. Couldn't see the full pump because the gas started pouring out so much I had to rebolt up the pump quick.
The engine did flood prior to parking the car weeks ago and when I jacked the front of the car up I found gas coming out the exhaust.
Is the engine shot or possibly just a bad fuel pump like I'm hoping. Couldn't see the full pump because the gas started pouring out so much I had to rebolt up the pump quick.
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Re: I've got gas.....in places it shouldn't be
Go ahead and replace the pump, then do an oil/filter change and try it. If it's already hurt, you're out the price of the oil and filter. If not, you saved hundreds of dollars and many hours on an unnecessary teardown.
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Re: I've got gas.....in places it shouldn't be
Going to do that, I just need a big enough container to dump it all in.
Just wondering what the most likely cause is?
Just wondering what the most likely cause is?
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Re: I've got gas.....in places it shouldn't be
too much fuel pressure will flood a q-jet, but sometimes the pumps just start leaking into the part of the block they attach to.
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Re: I've got gas.....in places it shouldn't be
Block was still fine, but the next owner decided it was easier to just change blocks than do a rering. But then he stopped working on it, and I bought it like that and finished.
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This is what I've got going on and I have no idea how long it's been going on. I know the last oil change a couple months ago the oil was like water. What are the signs of a bad piston ring? Just wondering so I don't put more money in the car than I should.
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Re: I've got gas.....in places it shouldn't be
It's far more likely you'll kill the bearings than a ring. Also likely is killing the cam and lifters if they're not the roller lifters.
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Re: I've got gas.....in places it shouldn't be
I'm not sure how the guy determined it was a ring. But he had a huge garage and tons of specialty tools and engine parts everywhere and I just trusted he knew what he was talking about. When I got the heads off I saw bits of ring stuck to the top of a piston, he was right.
I'm guessing he did a compression test. The engine still ran but it ran like crap. Barely got the car up the driveway.
I'm guessing he did a compression test. The engine still ran but it ran like crap. Barely got the car up the driveway.
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Re: I've got gas.....in places it shouldn't be
Well, emptied the oil today. There was over 5 gallons of gas/oil mix that came out! I'm letting it sit a little bit before replacing the pump and oil.
I'm just confused as to where all that fluid was!?!? Its well above what the oil pan would hold...
I'm just confused as to where all that fluid was!?!? Its well above what the oil pan would hold...
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Re: I've got gas.....in places it shouldn't be
Wow thats a lot of gas! Doesn't bode well for your bearings. The engine was running well when you parked it?
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Re: I've got gas.....in places it shouldn't be
this JUST happend to one of my lawn mowers, the float hung up in the cab.......well i went out to use it it wouldnt start....check the gas empty....WTF it was almost full when i put it up......... dang kids next door....put gas in it...faught it, it finnaly started (had the air cleaner off) and boom ole faithful oil and gas spewing out the crankcase breather
BAH i guess this motor is trash......well lets drain the oil, put fresh in and see what happens.... runs fine now
what im getting at is i thought the worse when i found tons of gas in the oil, it was more like oil in the gas , but anyway i simple oil chage and it worked...i then decided its time to rebuild the carb so this will not happen again
well it may not of been a nice V8 story, but still a gas in oil story that ended good
BAH i guess this motor is trash......well lets drain the oil, put fresh in and see what happens.... runs fine now
what im getting at is i thought the worse when i found tons of gas in the oil, it was more like oil in the gas , but anyway i simple oil chage and it worked...i then decided its time to rebuild the carb so this will not happen again
well it may not of been a nice V8 story, but still a gas in oil story that ended good
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Re: I've got gas.....in places it shouldn't be
The car didn't run great before I parked it. I never drove it that much in the last year that I've owned the car. I know I've got carb problems so maybe that contributed to it too. And I changed the oil not long ago. Hopefully it just is a bad fuel pump and hopefully it didn't do that much damage....
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Re: I've got gas.....in places it shouldn't be
Well at least a pump's only like $25. And you could have it changed in an hour or two. A little longer if you decide to replace the backing plate's gasket too (I think it's worth doing).
As somebody who's suffered from this, I'm interested in the outcome, hope it's not bad.
As somebody who's suffered from this, I'm interested in the outcome, hope it's not bad.
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Re: I've got gas.....in places it shouldn't be
FINALLY got it done! Replaced the fuel pump, fuel line, replaced the carb, and re-installed the thermostat housing so it won't leak anymore, and corrected the timing, changed the oil and filter, and adjusted a belt because there wasn't enough tension on the alternator.
Result: Started the car up and got tons of white smoke out of the exhaust and a strong gas smell, a little in the engine bay and out of the heat riser. The car gets hot pretty quick still. When moving the throttle the car barely revs up at all.
I think the white smoke is from the gas that was in the exhaust pipe before I didn anything but I don't know. We started it about four times for short durations and the car ran a combined time of no longer than three minutes.
Any input?
Maybe I should just sell it.
Result: Started the car up and got tons of white smoke out of the exhaust and a strong gas smell, a little in the engine bay and out of the heat riser. The car gets hot pretty quick still. When moving the throttle the car barely revs up at all.
I think the white smoke is from the gas that was in the exhaust pipe before I didn anything but I don't know. We started it about four times for short durations and the car ran a combined time of no longer than three minutes.
Any input?
Maybe I should just sell it.
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Re: I've got gas.....in places it shouldn't be
white smoke can be confused with the blue oil smoke, so it may be oil form it sitting, lots of gas will normaly be black smoke
does it idle well???
im thinking the float is hung up or the needle is stuck someway, maybe a rebuild of the carb is in order
be nice to have a video on you tube or myspace or what not so we can see and hear what its doing
does it idle well???
im thinking the float is hung up or the needle is stuck someway, maybe a rebuild of the carb is in order
be nice to have a video on you tube or myspace or what not so we can see and hear what its doing
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This is deffinatly white smoke and it starts filling up everywhere real quick. I'll try to get a video up tomorrow after work.
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Alright, here's two videos.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXOUPmS0UG8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hlzy198Qgfo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXOUPmS0UG8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hlzy198Qgfo
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:BUMP:
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i think its flooding out....the smoke looks to be oil smoke at times, and at others it looks like its running to rich
you may just want to rebuild that carb
you may just want to rebuild that carb
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Thought running rich looks like black smoke?
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Re: I've got gas.....in places it shouldn't be (UPDATED W/VIDEO)
i think it looks like its running rich aswell
rich exhaust looks like wispy black smoke, sometimes grey looking. while oil smoke is more blueish grey
rich exhaust looks like wispy black smoke, sometimes grey looking. while oil smoke is more blueish grey
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Re: I've got gas.....in places it shouldn't be (UPDATED W/VIDEO)
This is white smoke. Maybe it looks different on the video but its white. I'll make carb adjustments tomorrow but I'm ready to give up on this car.
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Re: I've got gas.....in places it shouldn't be (UPDATED W/VIDEO)
Sounds like a plan I read you did some timing adjustments. Granted this may not be the issue but it sure does sound in the vid that you timing is off. This may be causing some of your issues the rest could just be some fould spark plugs. I know were all fairly sure the fuel pump was te cause but it could have been the carb over fueling. I dont think you have a
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Sounds like a plan I read you did some timing adjustments. Granted this may not be the issue but it sure does sound in the vid that you timing is off. This may be causing some of your issues the rest could just be some fould spark plugs. I know were all fairly sure the fuel pump was te cause but it could have been the carb over fueling. I dont think you have any engine damage
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I got the smoke to go away for the most part with a choke and idle adjustment. So then tonight I tried to drive it after having it idle fine and it drives horribly. Everything changes as soon as I put it in gear! It idles very low and in order to move I'm slamming down the accelerator pedal and I hear the secondaries on the carb opening but I'm only going about 5 miles an hour if that.
I got the car back in the driveway and hooked up a vacuum guage to the intake manifold and at idle everything seems fine and reads at 18 in Hg vac steadily. As soon as I put it in gear it drops down to around 5 and fluctuates. Under full acceleration in park it does seem to get bogged down and reads around 0.
Any ideas here?
I got the car back in the driveway and hooked up a vacuum guage to the intake manifold and at idle everything seems fine and reads at 18 in Hg vac steadily. As soon as I put it in gear it drops down to around 5 and fluctuates. Under full acceleration in park it does seem to get bogged down and reads around 0.
Any ideas here?
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Re: I've got gas.....in places it shouldn't be (UPDATED W/VIDEO)
I got the smoke to go away for the most part with a choke and idle adjustment. So then tonight I tried to drive it after having it idle fine and it drives horribly. Everything changes as soon as I put it in gear! It idles very low and in order to move I'm slamming down the accelerator pedal and I hear the secondaries on the carb opening but I'm only going about 5 miles an hour if that.
I got the car back in the driveway and hooked up a vacuum guage to the intake manifold and at idle everything seems fine and reads at 18 in Hg vac steadily. As soon as I put it in gear it drops down to around 5 and fluctuates. Under full acceleration in park it does seem to get bogged down and reads around 0.
Any ideas here?
I got the car back in the driveway and hooked up a vacuum guage to the intake manifold and at idle everything seems fine and reads at 18 in Hg vac steadily. As soon as I put it in gear it drops down to around 5 and fluctuates. Under full acceleration in park it does seem to get bogged down and reads around 0.
Any ideas here?
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Re: I've got gas.....in places it shouldn't be (UPDATED W/VIDEO)
Oh... thought that everything was capped on a quadrjet so there wasn't much to mess with?
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