2 bolt or 4??
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2 bolt or 4??
OK, so I had a nasty knock, and I still drove the car for like 20 miles after the bearing spun. . . and come to find out my number 7 rod chewed a quarter inch into my crank and the shavings chewed out my main bearings. . oooops, so I need a new block. So my questions are, besides the obvious, that the 4 bolt has 4 bolt mains instead of 2. . what is the difference?? I can get a 350 4-Bolt for 150 plus 100K+ mile rotating assembly (which I DO NOT plan on using) for $150. My 2 bolt is garbage, yet at the same time I can get a 2-bolt from a friend of my brother's for $20. Is it worth it for the 4 bolt?? I am planning on either doing a 383 or a forged 355. . do I need to bother with the 4 bolt? one other thing, the 2 bolt that I can get has a peice rear seal, while the one currently in the car, and the 4-bolt have one peice rears. . . . do I need the one peice to match up to my 700r4? it is out of an 87 formula 350. and one last thing. . . am I going to need to do work to the block if it is pre-87 to keep the hydrolic roller cam?? or am I all set?
#3
It is generally acceoted that 2bolts will last up to 450hp. I'd splurge for the 4bolt.
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#4
I'd go 4 bolt, especially if you're going to stroke it. It's just extra protection.
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'86 IROC 5-speed
305 LG4
edelbrock performer rpm intake
edelbrock 600 cfm carb
msd pro billet hei distributer
'95 3.23 rearend
hotchkis rear suspension
PST front polygraphite suspension
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You can just a easily put a stud kit into a 2 bolt to make it as strong as a 4 bolt.
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461 naturally aspirated Big Block (times are for the current engine)
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#6
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Car: 1989 C4
Engine: L98
Transmission: 700r4
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No offence, but I doubt you need a 4bolt. (I really dont need 4 bolts but thats what I have so)
4 bolts are only really nessasary when your pulling heavy loads in a truck, even then there not nessasary.
If you can get a 2bolt main cheap go for it.
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82 Firbird, rebuilt 355 for it and slaped a 700r4 in. The 700r4 crapped out so back to the tb350
4 bolts are only really nessasary when your pulling heavy loads in a truck, even then there not nessasary.
If you can get a 2bolt main cheap go for it.
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85 Camaro, 355/400 "drag car" current DD 13.1@ 101mph on its last season run.
Plans: Possibly add N20 for next season.
82 Firbird, rebuilt 355 for it and slaped a 700r4 in. The 700r4 crapped out so back to the tb350
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From: Mercedes Norte, Heredia, Costa Rica
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Engine: 383 Carb
Transmission: 4L60
Axle/Gears: 3.54 Dana 44
Like Stephen says. You can even drill and tap a 2 bolt block for splayed 4 bolt caps and have it stronger than a factory 4 bolt if you really think you need it.
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From: So. Cal, L.A.
Car: '88 Firebird Formula 350
Engine: Built 383 TPI
Transmission: Built 700r4
Axle/Gears: 9 bolt, 3.27:1 Posi
Four bolt mains will only help if you're putting more than 400 horse power out AT HIGH RPMS. No more, no less. If you're staying under 7000 rpms, you've got nothing to worry about.
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Go for the one piece rear seal. The fact that it is a 4 bolt is irrelevant (as per the reasons stated above).
I do believe that there may be an issue with the flexplate if you go 2 bolt. I will see if I can find the differences in one of my archives, but it is something that needs to be checked too if you plan to swap to a 2 piece rear seal.
Of course, if you do plan to stroke the engine to 383 you may wish to go with the 2 piece as most of the cranks for the 1 piece are more expensive, though I believe Scat now has a reasonably priced crank for 1 piece rear seals to stroke you to 383.
I do believe that there may be an issue with the flexplate if you go 2 bolt. I will see if I can find the differences in one of my archives, but it is something that needs to be checked too if you plan to swap to a 2 piece rear seal.
Of course, if you do plan to stroke the engine to 383 you may wish to go with the 2 piece as most of the cranks for the 1 piece are more expensive, though I believe Scat now has a reasonably priced crank for 1 piece rear seals to stroke you to 383.
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Car: 1984 Camaro Z28
Engine: Blueprint 383
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I think you'll have to buy aftermarket roller lifters for the 2 bolt main block. The GM lifter links don't clear the top of the lifter valley. The aftermarket lifters are linked higher so they work. I think you can use the same cam, but I think there is something different on the distributor gear. Help me out some here guys,
Craig
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Car: Trans Am
Engine: 305 to 350 to 383 to BOOM!!!
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if you drill and tap the block, can you still use the "2-bolt" end caps, or will you have to buy "4 bolt" end caps
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