darbster

Ok here it goes.....My girlfriends parents are buying her around a 95-97 mustang cobra... I'd much rather them buy her a firebird or camaro but...you know parents..They are all ford people (mom has a v6 stang,and grandpa has an anniversary saleen) So im not gunna argue with em....Hey at least it isnt a honda or something right?I was just wondering...do they have automatics,or will she have to learn to use a stick? just asking cause i have yet to see a cobra automatic. even though it is a ford...ill still have to tech her not to destroy it like its a bumper car or something...lol...not that women are bad drivers or anything.....just that those damn girls are horrible lol

Pukka

I know some women who could hold their own with a stick shift. Used to date one who drove a Honda CBR-600. My wife can push the envelope with my car just as well as I can.

However, learning to drive a stick for the first time with ANY V-8, let alone a Cobra is not a good idea

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92 Camaro RS, LO3, 5-spd, T-tops

Performance:
K&N Open Air Filter, Edelbrock performer TBI intake, Fastchip Prom, Timing +4 degrees, Centerforce clutch, Xact 8mm wires, SLP 1 3/4" Headers (coated), Flowmaster Catback Exhaust, Z28 Grille w/aftmkt fog lamps
Electronics:
Alpine 8030 Alarm System, Valentine One Radar Detector (How did I ever drive without one?), Pioneer DEH 7450 Head Unit w/6-pack CD changer, Pioneer DEQ 7600 Sound Processor, 2 Kenwood KAC-846 Amps powering 2 12" Pro Red subs, 2 Pioneer 6x9 and 2 MTX 4x6 speakers.
NEXT UP: TBI mods, 3.42 gears w/Torsen posi

Bort62

Just figure a new clutch into the price of the car, and you will be okay.


Personally, I dont think someone who dosent respect their car as anything beyond a method to get from here to there, should have any sports car. Either a mustang, camaro Firebird.. what Have you.


Its so Fitting that she is getting a mustang, Sounds like the typical Driver.

Daddy power!



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60 Ranchero - Project ( Money Hole )
85 Sport Coupe LG4 - Daily Driver
Reader's ride -> My Ride

Just another Hot Rod kid, or thats what they all tell me.
Livin' the Stereotype

RoadRocket L98

To answer your question, all Cobras are 5-speeds. You couldn't get an automatic with the DOHC 4.6 Cobra engine.

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'89 Firebird Formula 350
L98, WS6, Red/grey, t-tops, and a 3.27:1 rear
K&N, TB bypass, no MAF screens, CAI, full Accel ignition, no cats, Hooker Supercomp shorties, Hooker 3-inch catback
ET? I guarantee it's slower than your 305...
Also own '83 Firebird 2.8 2bbl.
ET? Break out the calendar!

FlashGTA

You can't get a cobra with 305 horsepower either! ROFL

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Red Devil

Push them to get the '95. Last year of the 5.0 in the Cobra. I love mine, and I think that is the best year. It is a bit of an underachiever, however, in good 5.0 fashion it responds well to modifications.

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-Thomas Jefferson

Vader

RD is right. The old 302 will walk circles around the new "erector set" engine and survive a lot longer. Then again, it's only a Ford, so I guess having it for a long time would really not be a good thing....
(Hi, Red!)

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evilho7810

Are you guys kidding me! A 95 cobra will have its *** handed to it by a 96 and the 4.6 (the 32v one not the 16v) will respond awsome to just about any mods you do. I'd take one of them over a ls1 ss or ws6 anyday soooooo smooth.

Slow Iroc

The Modular 4.6L Motor Ford puts in those cars produces peak torque in a very narrow range. On top of that, once you pass about 5300 RPM, the engine just sort of...dosen't live up to what it should I guess. I never understood their idea behind making the engine SMALLER, but the OHC or DOHC is a great idea. However...a 302 will smack the 4.6 around like it's the 302's jail b1tch. It produces more torque through the power band and the level of torque dosen't peak up so quickly then immediately drop off...all of this pionts to a faster car.

darbster

Thanks for the replies fellas!

It's kinda funny that were on a f-bodie board arguing about stangs.....but oh well..I'm sure well be forgiven in F-bodie heaven

Kevin91Z

iTrader: (1)

You'd take a 4.6L Mustang over an LS1? I guess you like losing over and over.


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1991 Camaro Z28
5.7L 5-Speed (originally 305)
13.23 @ 107.62 MPH
Southern California
Member: SoCal 3rd Gen F-Bodies
Webmaster: SoCal F-Bodies
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silverstreakII

over a 320 to 345 horsepower ls1? depending on year and model of course, but are you f**king crazy? cobra at best what 290 to 300 horse at the flywheel? and unless youve got a near unlimited budget for the bolt on goodies you can kiss the taillights of my z goodbye, cuz theyll be leavin ya quicker than you could catch

Rob P

iTrader: (1)

Someone commented that ford went backwards in power. That was a calculated move on fords part from what I've read. They did studies to see what the comsumer wanted (unlike GM who never does studies). They found people (not us hardcore guys and gals) were willing to give up HP for looks. Plus the new 4.6 fit in with the whole corporate strategy, something GM does not have. Thus rustank sales skyrocketed and the F-body, with it's much superior LS1 motor, died.
I rented a 01 rustank convertible to drive back from KeyWest to Jax after dropping off my 92 Z28. All I can say was the top fit much better than any GM convertible I've seen, new ones included.
Later


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Rob P
89RSconvtZZ4TPI
Edelbrock Hi-Flow Intake
SLP Dual Cold Air Intake
1 5/8" Headers
Semi-Siamesed Runners
MSD6AL/AdjFPR/IROC frnt@rear swaybar/wonderbar/steeringbox/alum drvshaft/ Alston SFC/3:23posi disc rear/MAC LCA/H.Adams Panhard Rod/KYB struts/ shocks/
92Z28convt5spd
71Impala convt 402BB
BETTER DRIVING THRU SUPERIOR HORSEPOWER!

ws6transam

My decidedly non-car-type wife has *never* owned a car with an automatic transmission, ever since she first learned to drive. She learned in a 1977 Chevette. Funny, I learned to drive in a 1976 Chevette! Coincidence, I suppose. Still, there are women out there who prefer a manual transmission. Even those who are not gearheads like us.

If the girl wants a Corba, then hey, way cool. She'll be okay, I'm sure.

Oh yea, Rob, I've done the same thing. The last two rental cars I've rented have been Fox bodies. One was a convertable and the other was a hardtop. Both quite nice, both quite quiet, though both couldn't handle like my old third gen.

It's hard to argue with over 1 g on the skidpad!

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Daniel Burk
http://www.isthq.com/~dan/fcar.html
'84 Trans Am WS6/L69
KB SFC, Moser axles, Torsen Diff., Spohn Adj. torque arm,
Ported 305 heads w/1.94"intake valves, Comp Cams XE262H, Griffen alum. radiator,
Turbine Technologies 2500 stall converter, underdrive pulleys, Crane Hi-6 & more.
1.05g skidpad verified.
Best of 14.039 at 100.82 MPH in Stanton, MI
New! 275-40-ZR17 tires on ROH ZS 17 x 9.5's

darbster

ive got absolutely nothing against mustangs....if i couldnt have a "maro" or a "bird" i would most likely get one.....they just arent as fast....good looks,good sound...just not much to back it up

Ed Maher

My buddy has a 95 cobra riding on 17" GT wheels (was that way when he got it.) and one thing i'll tell you for sure, it had the worst ride of any car i'd ever been in. You could feel every pebble on the road in that thing. And i am pretty sure the suspension is stock.
Other than that it had good power. His has 3.55s and god knows what little secrets, but it's basically stock and it felt like at least a high 13 second car.
...ed

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92 Z28 Convertible - Quasar blue / Tan top
LB9 4L60 GU2 G80 - stock, soon to be sleeper
-=ICON Motorsports=-

- Definitely prototypes, high powered mutants of some kind. Too weird to live, too cool to die

94-6spd

I have raced a 98 Cobra that had gears, pulleys, computer mods,catback flowmaster and X-pipe with my stock 94 LT1 Z-28 and beat him by a fender. He was impressed with my Z and disappointed in his stang. I pulled over and talked to him for a while. My car is a 6 speed and has ran a 13.82 stock with the air filter taken out. The LS1's wax me by 3 or 4 car lenths.

darbster

I do have to give it to the cobras...the do sound really good...but when you put them beside a quieter SS...they are all bark and no bite

Matt87GTA

Jacka$$

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Matt

1987 GTA L98 MD8 GW6

"Stop Lights timed for 35Mph are also timed for 70Mph"

82z

You know that 90% of Fords built are still on the road today? The other 10% made it home! LOL! My 94 Topaz is in the 90th percentile.

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82 z28 350cid, vortec heads, comp 262h cam, Holley 600cfm carb, 2in twice pipes, MSD ignition, turbo 350 trans, 3.73 posi, manly b&m megashifter

branz28

Umm, right, i'll take my 2000 Z28 over a stang any day. I've had soooo many mustangs try and race me it isn't funny. Although i won't do it in town. The newer z rides better than the iroc so that's good enough for me What can i say, my family is all GM. The only ford's my family owns are those that they bang up on their farms. Which reminds me, i need to pull the ranger outta the pond

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89 IROC-Z 350 TPI

-Flowmaster Catback
-Performance Resource Chip
-700R4 (Rebuilt) Too much done to actually list
-K&N Airfilters
-Ported Plenum
-2.77 Gears (not much to brag about but eh, its there)
-MSD 8.5 mm plug wires
-Gutted cat
-!AIR
-Gutted Air Boxes

bottledpower

heheheee i hear a lock comin so im gonna get this in now. my foxbody is also in that 90% above. i built my little 302 well...to good for a foxbody. i busted the subframe in half due to lack of reinforcments, i guess. it was cool whem it was poppin the wheels, (i could get like 1/2 inch up lol) but they cant handle torque. hey thats why they went to the 4.6 isnt it.

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85 IROC 350 11:1keith blacks,.555lift erson roller cam,1.5 crane roller rockers,edelbrock intake,holley 4150 750dbl pumper, nitrous oxide,full length heddman headers,true dual exhaust, 11"stall converter, 700R4, 3.73 locker

Ray87Z

Stock for stock the 96-98 Cobra will run circles around the earlier 5.0 Cobra... They're high revving, upper rpm engines though (the DOHC 4.6s that is).

You must be speaking of the SOHC 4.6 in the GTs because the DOHC Cobra motor has no problems making power over that...

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Ray87Z
-Vortec headed 350.
86 IROC w/ a cammed 305 TPI.
Formerly Ray86IROC.
www.inter-scape.com/Ray

Red Devil

Somewhat true, however the cheesy erector set engines respond like dog **** to mods. Also the aftermarket support for the 5.0 is much more developed.

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"Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear."

-Thomas Jefferson

mtx28

i will give mustangs credit for one thing they clearly have over GM, they have the sound. i already see the lynching mob comming with their pitchforks and torches.. but i've heard two mustangs with, the only thing i can guess, straight pipes. They were extremely loud, but sounded very nice. The engine really barks and *sounds* like a powerhouse when it revs up. On the other hand, when i hear GM cars rev up(and i hear quite alot, being in college and having cars race past my dorm all day), i honestly think they dont sound that good. now, i dont know how this post changed from if newer cobras have manuals or autos to who likes what.. but i just thought i'd throw in my 2c anyways

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• 83 Z28--ttops, 200k miles--very ragged out. sold, thank goodness
• 74 Z28--slightly modded 383, TH400 tranny, not too quick but fun to drive

Guest

http://www.alternativeauto.com/cars/turbo_joe_32v.html

Ray87Z

The "erector set" engine responds very well to mods. Alot of people are making excellent power w/ the DOHC motors. I would somewhat agree with you and say that the SOHC 4.6 is no where near as responsive to mods as the DOHC motor though. The short block on the DOHC engine is also very stout, much stouter than factory 5.0 setups... Because of the heads the DOHC motors also loved to be supercharged. Ask around in the mustang community, the DOHC Cobra motor is a nice setup.

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Ray87Z
-Vortec headed 350.
86 IROC w/ a cammed 305 TPI.
Formerly Ray86IROC.
www.inter-scape.com/Ray

[This message has been edited by Ray87Z (edited May 20, 2001).]

Red Devil

C'mon MM, huffers and hair dryers can make monsters outta mice, I'm talkin' in general NA situations. I have yet to hear any old addage that goes 'There is no replacement for less displacement'.

Oh and do tell when that thing grenades, I'd love to see the shrapnel.

Guest

I dont think its gonna grenade. Same place has been playing with the 4.6 Cobras for years now, and it took 8's to grenade the motor, ripped the wrist pin outa the piston. Everything else was perfectly fine.

Hair dryer or no, almost every LS1 out there is gonna see the taillights of that rig.

JP84Z430HP

I am inpressed with the design of the 4.6. I got a look at one before it was put in production cars. I don't think it's all that N/A. That link to the one that was running with 25 pounds of boost is good. I have to agree with them that the RPM's killed it, not the power. Maybe they should prove it by putting in better pistons and making more RPM's? 78oo RPM's is turning pretty fast though!


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'84 Z28 LG4 305 with 200,000 original miles!
Added dual elec fans.
145 MPH IROC Speedo
Building 430 HP 350 (ZZ430)
using primarily GMPP parts.
Short block sitting on a stand. (Man, those Fast-Burn heads sitting on it look good!)

Starting to look like the Kicker poster child!

ASE Certified Master Tech

evilho7810

You guys don't know too much about that dohc engine do you? It's so much better than our old *** 350's. 500rwhp with that engine is so easy and it will pass emmissions, idle like glass and get way better gas mileadge. And losing the power after 5300rpm hahahaha! The cobra's i've been in all ride better than fbodies and NO RATTLES! Ohh yeah I forgot to mention how much better cobra's look than ls1 fbodies.

Black Beauty

go away

darbster

cobra or SS...that is the question....i dont even need to answer...
If the cobra looks "soo much better" maybe thats why they made it slower, so people could get a good look at it...while they were wondering what the heck that SS looked like.

JoelOl75

Kinda reminds me of my dream motor thats already long forgotten, the LT-5

You would think this motor would've lived and the LS1 would not have!

Damn bean counters at GM!

darbster

so, is there anyone else that hasnt voiced their opinion yet?

LFN AT U

iTrader: (1)

I haven't!!! I have to agree that the new Mustangs look better than the new F-bodies. However that's not saying a whole lot. I would be caught dead driving either one. However, the new GM engines are clearly better than the Ford's. After all, didn't they get recalled because they were slow!!! Ha Ha!!! That's great!!!

rezinn

I agree that stock mustangs do sound pretty good, and stock camaros are pretty quiet. Its great that FORD put DOHCs on their engine, but without a lot of mods the old fashioned LS1 still outperforms. I have seen new camaros get 350rwhp will easy bolt ons, while it would cost a lot to do that to a mustang.

Haven't mustangs always been better sellers? Haven't camaros always been faster?

EDIT: dohc ls1? lol

[This message has been edited by rezinn (edited May 21, 2001).]

uno

ok this is sad...check this out
3.8 Camaros can beat 5.0's and 3.8 stangs
Z-28's can beat 4.6 DOHC SOHC 5.0's & Cobras
SS well, Ford had to sell there car to Saleen to make something close to the SS power.....$30,000 Super Sport or $75,000 Saleen
??????
Bottom line, Ford's top of the line COBRA doesn't beat Chevy's Secondary Z-28...That still leaves another step ahead in the chevy department....
Just my .02

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1989 307 RS, soon to be 350.
1995 Red T-Top Camaro, 3.73 gear, F.I.P.K. K&N,Flomaster Cat-Back, Gutted Cat...Killer Stereo (Cerwin Vega and Sony Xplode)

Black Beauty

ummm...there is no dohc 5.0 or sohc 5.0 for that matter....

Dumperbird

I can take it to the 4.6 with my beat up practilly stock 84 305 h.o. T/A and it sounds like a boat with a L98 in it F--- what a car sounds like. If you wanna loud LT 1 than buy a glass pack. I'd rather spank a stang that listen to it. But whatever.

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You put Mt. Dew in the gas tank!?!

Wow, look at it go!

darbster

I was raised a camaro guy, and will always be one...but a couple of years ago,after seeing the commercial for the then "new body style" ram air firebird...Ya'll know the one i'm talking about...the one where its sitting at the stoplight revving its engine.WOW! i was in love!That car has everything.And even though im still a camaro fanatic till the day i die...That car gets my applause..what a bad a** car!A cobra holds nothing on that car...can i get an amen in the house?

Ben_Jamin

I have a friend with a 2000 Z28, and another with a 2000 Mustang GT, 4.6. Yeah they raced, both are automatics the stang has traction control and the z doesnt the z28 won. just thought i'd tell you guys

Ben_Jamin

I have a friend with a 2000 Z28, and another with a 2000 Mustang GT, 4.6. Yeah they raced, both are automatics the stang has traction control and the z doesnt the z28 won. just thought i'd tell you guys

rezinn

Thats funny Ben, we all know what would happen

My brother has a 2000 z28, it has traction control, but he can still peel out with it on. A 2000 mustang gt stands no chance against an LS1. Even a heaving modded one. A cobra with the DOHC is better, but still not very close.

Fords Lightning is faster than the mustang, and the LS1 is still faster than the lightning. Not 100% sure about the 2001 lightings, heard good things of them..

AMEN, yes that car is sweet darb. I got a picture of it on my desktop.

Guest

From the factory? Correct.
From the aftermarket? Incorrect.

Just thought I would throw that in there.

Matt87GTA

Just WHAT are all these damn ferd fans doing at thirdgen.org anyway??????????????????????????

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Matt

1987 GTA L98 MD8 GW6

"Stop Lights timed for 35Mph are also timed for 140Mph"

IROC KID

In my opinion i like all fast cars that look good,the new mustangs have great looks,but i would still buy an ss because there is more bang for the buck,i think the thirdgens were alot better looking then the stangs of there days,and the 4th gens you see everywhere that look like oversized cavaliers and geo storms,lol,sorry if i offended any 4th gen owners but gm made a mistake at the drawing board,but atleast the ram air t/a looks sweet,they are nicer then the 4th gen camaros in my opinion and i am a camaro lover of the first 3 generations when it comes to looks.

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If it aint a V-8 that $hit aint fast!,unless its a GN,lol!

305 tpi,700r-4 with shift kit,My mods are minimal,just a bunch of little $hit.Anyone know where to get underdrive pulleys for a v-belt set up?

darbster

The only thing that offends me more than a mustang GT or a mustang cobra is that screamin v6 that they have out...I just love it when people down here pual dual flowmaster exhaust and GT emblems on em...those cars are hot..lemme tell ya I only wish the would'of come out with a 4cyl with this body style....ok i think i need to stop now.Im being too sarcastic,im startin to hurt myself.

darbster

The only thing that offends me more than a mustang GT or a mustang cobra is that screamin v6 that they have out...I just love it when people down here pual dual flowmaster exhaust and GT emblems on em...those cars are hot..lemme tell ya I only wish the would'of come out with a 4cyl with this body style....ok i think i need to stop now.Im being too sarcastic,im startin to hurt myself.

Mark W. Winning

Thanks 82z, now I have coffee coming out of my nose! LOL.

In defense of the modular motor, it does respond well to mods, like swapping it for a sbc!




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1992 Pontiac Firebird 350/Six Speed
1987 Toyota Pickup 383/500+ HP