Tech / General Engine Is your car making a strange sound or won't start? Thinking of adding power with a new combination? Need other technical information or engine specific advice? Don't see another board for your problem? Post it here!

problems with oil...

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 09-14-2004, 09:16 PM
  #1  
Member
Thread Starter
 
WhiteKnight's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 239
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Car: 88 GTA
Engine: 305
Transmission: Manual
problems with oil...

I seem to be having a problem the last couple days. My dash keeps on telling me that I'm out of oil, yet when I check my dipstick it says I'm still full. Any idea what could be the cause of this? Thanks
Old 09-14-2004, 09:54 PM
  #2  
Member
 
bobsroc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Whitehouse, Ohio
Posts: 179
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Car: 1987 IROCZ
Engine: 305 TPI
Transmission: 700r4
The sending unit most likely is bad, should be down by the oil filter somewhere.
Old 09-15-2004, 02:50 AM
  #3  
TGO Supporter

 
Air_Adam's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Saskatoon, SK, Canada
Posts: 9,067
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Car: '83 Z28, '07 Charger SRT8
Engine: 454ci, 6.1 Hemi
Transmission: TH350, A5
Axle/Gears: 2.73 posi, 3.06 posi
Think "oil pressure" not "oil level"

Old 09-15-2004, 08:55 AM
  #4  
Member
Thread Starter
 
WhiteKnight's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 239
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Car: 88 GTA
Engine: 305
Transmission: Manual
ahh, thanks you guys. its just i'm goin on a road trip tomorrow and I knew you'd be able to tell me the problem a hell of a lot faster than it would take me to figure it out
Old 09-15-2004, 09:00 AM
  #5  
Supreme Member
 
Nixon1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Palm Bay, Florida, USA
Posts: 3,931
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Car: 95 E-150 & 07 Kawasaki ZX-6R
Engine: A slow one & a fast one
Transmission: A bad one & a good one
Axle/Gears: A weak one & a chained one
Just make sure there's no knocking or clicking noises accompanying that zero gauge reading.. Like most said, it's probably just a bad sender.
Old 09-15-2004, 09:03 AM
  #6  
Member
 
bobsroc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Whitehouse, Ohio
Posts: 179
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Car: 1987 IROCZ
Engine: 305 TPI
Transmission: 700r4
Oh, good call Nixon, you can have lots of oil with no pressure, hopefully that is not your problem. Since you didn't tell us about knocking or clanking I would still think sender.
Old 09-15-2004, 12:23 PM
  #7  
Member
Thread Starter
 
WhiteKnight's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 239
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Car: 88 GTA
Engine: 305
Transmission: Manual
ya, no knocking or clickin... for future reference tho, if i did have a knocking, what would that be?
Old 09-15-2004, 12:34 PM
  #8  
Member
 
bobsroc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Whitehouse, Ohio
Posts: 179
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Car: 1987 IROCZ
Engine: 305 TPI
Transmission: 700r4
No oil pressure at all. Big time trouble.
Old 09-15-2004, 07:02 PM
  #9  
Member
Thread Starter
 
WhiteKnight's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 239
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Car: 88 GTA
Engine: 305
Transmission: Manual
you guys call it the sender... would that be the oil pump? its the only thing i see in the book...

i hope its not the same thing, i really dont wanna lift the engine up to take the oil pan out

Last edited by WhiteKnight; 09-15-2004 at 07:06 PM.
Old 09-15-2004, 07:12 PM
  #10  
Member
 
bobsroc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Whitehouse, Ohio
Posts: 179
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Car: 1987 IROCZ
Engine: 305 TPI
Transmission: 700r4
No not the oil pump, the sending unit is normally on the mount that the oil filter screws on. It will have a wire/s connected to it. Disconnect it, take it to an auto parts store and they should be able to help you from there. Good luck.
Old 09-15-2004, 09:43 PM
  #11  
Member
Thread Starter
 
WhiteKnight's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 239
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Car: 88 GTA
Engine: 305
Transmission: Manual
ok, so i can't get a hold of a jack tonight, nor does the local parts shop have the right sender....

question... is my pressure actually low, or does the sender simply tell my dash about oil? cuz i'm supposed to go ona road trip 2morrow. not far. bout 3 hour round trip. if it just tells the dash about oil then i should still be fine right? or is it unfortunately in charge of the pressure itself?
Old 09-15-2004, 09:56 PM
  #12  
Supreme Member
 
Nixon1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Palm Bay, Florida, USA
Posts: 3,931
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Car: 95 E-150 & 07 Kawasaki ZX-6R
Engine: A slow one & a fast one
Transmission: A bad one & a good one
Axle/Gears: A weak one & a chained one
Your oil pump produces oil pressure. Your sender REGISTERS the pressure and sends it to your gauge. If your oil pump produces pressure, that means the fault is in the sender, or the gauge. Unfortunately, I know of no easy effective way to check for oil pressure without using a sender and gauge that are verified as working.
Old 09-15-2004, 10:25 PM
  #13  
Member
Thread Starter
 
WhiteKnight's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 239
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Car: 88 GTA
Engine: 305
Transmission: Manual
well if i cruise around town for 30-45 minutes tonight with my guage telling me i'm at 0 without incident, it would be safe to assume that my pressure is fine and i'm simply getting a bad signal from the sender right?
Old 09-15-2004, 10:33 PM
  #14  
TGO Supporter

 
Stekman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Grand Rapids, MI
Posts: 4,803
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Car: Z28
Engine: Sb2.2 406
Transmission: Jerico 4 speed
Axle/Gears: Ford 9" 3.60
mechanical gauge tells all.
Old 09-16-2004, 02:41 PM
  #15  
Supreme Member
 
pvt num 11's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Wahiawa, Hawai'i
Posts: 1,209
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Car: 1989 TTA
Engine: LC2
Transmission: Worn-out 200R4
Axle/Gears: BW 9-bolt, 3.27's
Well, if you take off your oil fill cap and run the engine, you SHOULD see oil up in the heads, if your pump is producing oil pressure. I changed the oil on my wife's car and forgot the cap. It was neat watching the rockers rotate and the springs conpress and relax. Oil was everywhere, but that was likely beccause I had just finished pouring four quarts of Mobil 1 synthetic into it. I don't know how GOOD it is to run an engine with the cap off, though... even for a short time. Anyone else know?

No oil pressure should have fragged your motor real quick, you should have heard it self-destructing by now. My old car's oil gage would peg out when I ran the car, so I never knew how much oil pressure I really had. It ran fine, so I doubt I had lubricating issues, just a screwed up gage.
Old 09-16-2004, 05:17 PM
  #16  
Supreme Member

 
ljnowell's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 3,935
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
It wont hurt to run with the cap off to look. many people set valve lash withthe engine running and the valve covers off.
Old 09-16-2004, 09:54 PM
  #17  
Supreme Member
 
Nixon1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Palm Bay, Florida, USA
Posts: 3,931
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Car: 95 E-150 & 07 Kawasaki ZX-6R
Engine: A slow one & a fast one
Transmission: A bad one & a good one
Axle/Gears: A weak one & a chained one
Agreed...no harm done there.

And I dont know about the engine self-destructing from no oil... You'd be AMAZED at what I've seen at work. Chryslers...although they undoubtably run like crap always....will run FOREVER on zero oil or with sludged motors. We had a car drive in here once. It was running FOR WEEKS with no oil and no transmission fluid. We filled both up, it was smoking blue, but the knocking and top end noise faded, and the car drove out of here without a problem. It was a Plymouth Breeze (aka Chrysler Cirrus rebadged)

But yeah, if you had no oil pressure, you would undoubtable hear a substantial amount of top-end noise pretty quickly. Chatter pretty much.
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
88rscamar0
Transmissions and Drivetrain
5
09-23-2015 09:08 PM
pjsparts
Tech / General Engine
6
09-17-2015 01:28 PM
Ranbo108
Tech / General Engine
14
09-09-2015 12:20 PM
383cam
Electronics
5
09-09-2015 06:01 AM
andy74
Electronics
2
09-03-2015 08:41 AM



Quick Reply: problems with oil...



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:29 PM.