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Old 04-17-2001, 12:29 PM
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do i stand a chance aginst this guy?

i saw that this "B***h Boy" in my home town (younger than i am!) just got a brand new 6 speed vette! it not the ls6/zo3 vette so thats a relief! with the engine in my sig. fully balanced and blueprinted do i stand a chance?? how fast are these cars on a normal run with a experienced driver?(he's raced his other playtoys alot and is good!) can i beat him? i have a fair amount of racing experince myself. and i have a auto.tranny.

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future mods: 406 roller REALLY REALLY REALLY RADICAL!!!!!

current engine underway..sucks not having a car!! Building the same engine but .060 over balanced and blueprinted..decided to get a little more serious this time around!!

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You're probably dead....maybe some help with a deeper rear but damned....that vette does 12s off the showroom floor. If by b*tch you meant female, you might when in a driving contest because even the Vettes have hellish traction problems with the 6 speed.

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Is it a removable top C5? The removable top C5's weren't as fast, or as stable. I talked w/ a professional GM racer who drove a C5 for his races. This was in 2000 so it may have changed now, but he said if you want the good/fast C5 get the non-removable top. I know the year before I smoked a really hot chick in a '99 C5 Don't know how good she was at racing tough...


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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">with the engine in my sig. fully balanced and blueprinted do i stand a chance??

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If it's still dead from a bearing failure, then I think you're gonna get smoked. Unless you have really fast feet and you're gonna race her Fred Flintstone style!



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He will hand you your head on a silver platter. It won't even be close.

Those cars are about 13.2 off the showroom floor, to what I would guess is a 13.7. Plus, that car will get traction, and yours won't. You'll get drilled by a solid .15 sec in the first 60', and it will just get worse from there. Look at 84FTA's time, from a car fairly similar to yours.

BTW one of the guys in my dept here at work has one; it runs pretty close to my 83 with a roller 400 and significant suspension upgrades, which is a whole lot more car than what you've got.

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ok guys in the message i said "bitch boy" not girl! also a guy asked if its a hrd top or not...its a non-removable hardtop. its strait off the showroom floor. my engine when complete will make about 390-410 rwhp.(ive done more to the engine this time around) the heads in my sig are cnc pocket ported, the engine is balanced and blueprinted, and is punched .060 over this time together.! im thinking i'll pull smooth 13 second quarter mile times which i hear is about what a stock h.top vette pulls?

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maybe if you had a 373 gear ya might have a small chance but i do mean very small, your pretty much smoked

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Old 04-17-2001, 01:52 PM
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sorry guys forgot to update my sig before posting. with the stuff in this sig. i think it "should" be really close.

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comp cams xe262 cam
performer rpm intake/port matched to heads
#1407edlebrock 750
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h.e.i. proform 50,000 volt vac. advance ditributor
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b trans shift kit(will kill shifts...suck dong!!)
shorty heddman hedders with custom 3" pipe y-pipe back(no damn cat!) with 40 series flowmaster!
griffin daul1" core rad.cutom fabrication to fit(but no cutting )

future mods: 406 roller REALLY REALLY REALLY RADICAL!!!!!
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You have a great shot if your engine is running to full potential, which it probably isn't so it could definitely go either way.

He has the best shot at winning if he can drive good because he's looking at no worse than a 13.5 1/4 run, probably several tenths better. You on the other hand could be anywhere from high 12s to some crappy high 13s, just depends on how well you can launch and how well your motor is running/tuned.

His setup is rated at 350 hp, 375 ft-lbs for 2001 and they get around 300-310 rwhp, your potential is defintely well above that but who's to say how it'll run...

Not knowing you or how well your car is setup/tuned I'd probably bet on him if he can drive. You could quite possibly kick his *** though... If he is indeed a little "b*tch boy" and drives accordingly you have a great shot, hell I've beat several C5s on the street w/ my motor and I think you'll outgun me if yours runs right.

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did you forget to update again?

I unless you're convinced you can get off the line w/ a sub 2.00 60-ft, and think you're solidly at least a 12.6, I don't think you can take him.

last time I went to HRP one of the guys from the Corvette Club(my friend's dad is the race organizer of the club.. so I know all the guys.) came out with his BONE STOCK 2001 C5, it's a targa top black 6spd, that he bought for his wife(she's hot), he has plent of other toys.. new Z06 too boot! Anyway, after his wife racked up 8000miles, he took it down the track.. only adjustment was tire pressure. 13.01@109.23 traction off the line and at the 1-2shift was a problem too. You have your work cut out for you.

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Well From a dead stop you do have the advantage. I drove one of those vettes and its sweet but it does have a bogg at lower rpm's I guess it helps them stay stuck to the ground unlike our fbodys. Just get in front of him quicky and stay in front of him
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This months issue of Motor Trend listed the Z06 Corvette has running 12.57 (but they have skilled drivers whose life is to beat the snot out of these cars). I believe the ZO6 option can only be had on a hardtop versions.

The only way you'll have a chance is with suspension mods, sticky tires, and tweaking out that motor....a rear swap atleast to 3.42s wouldn't hurt; if not deeper (depending on motor). It is very possible that the kid is a 100% of a dipweed fluke and might just be learning to drive stick. In that case he'd be turning 16 second times Only one way to know, try him out.

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the standard coupe is easily put in the twelves and in fact the mopar magazine even hit 12's with a 2000. the 2001 is faster, trust me, more than the 5hp shows. i know i've driven many including 4 Z06's. i smoked a saleen mustang with an automatic convertable vette with the 3.15 gear. i'd have to say even with poor driving your going to have a alot on your hands to even run close. main thing here is if you don't get it in the first 60', your not going to get it at all. the traction problem isn't as bad as it seems in them and once they get going, they are hell to catch.
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I think a few of you are mistaken! This is NOT a Z06 (LS6) vette! It's an LS1 vette which can't run better than 13 seconds STOCK! Most only run between 13.2 and 13.5 stock!! It's only rated at 300-310 RWHP stock!

All I gotta say Ken is that you MIGHT beat him but only if he doesn't add any mods to it before you get your engine built and installed!!
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the LS1 vette's have been pulling off 12 second passes since 97. just depends on the testing. normal magazine testing is about 13.1 for a 2001 corvette though. but any magazine that actually is for performace like gmhtp or others get twelves. the ford and mopar magazines both got twelves with models they were comparing to their own and no, they weren't Z06 models.
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If the Vette is brand new than he's not use to all that power and not very familiar with the car yet in order to get it's full potential. So you might have a chance. Or you could just call him a "B***h Boy" instead and beat his a** so you won't have to race him

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by jobryan26:
Or you could just call him a "B***h Boy" instead and beat his a** so you won't have to race him

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I test drove a 2000 Z03 Vette (must of misread 6 speed and Z03 as Z06); they're still damned faster than my F-body.

I like his idea, it's always more fun to leave someone bloody and crying on the side of the road than it is to just leave them in the dust.



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First off, the new LS1 vettes do not run high 12s off the showroom floor. Ever seen them at the track? I've seen plenty. They're all mid 13 /low 13 cars. Just because a car magazine got a high 12 from an LS1 vette doesn't mean s**T.

burnout, it's impossible to say who would win without some knowledge of what you run in the 1/4. Many other factors come into play.

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who cares ,,give it a go,,makesure your new girlfriend isn,t there,thou,, LOOK you gunna need a real good setup,low gears,big tyres,i would sugest beeting on a mustang instead,same age, let the vette race a viper GTS then you can laugh, STEVE IN AUSTRALIA ,(his car is like $$$$$$ more, and he didn,t build his,,he aint proud!!!!)
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by jobryan26:
If the Vette is brand new than he's not use to all that power and not very familiar with the car yet in order to get it's full potential. So you might have a chance. Or you could just call him a "B***h Boy" instead and beat his a** so you won't have to race him

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The guy sold his LS1 Trans Am to buy the LS1 Vette so he's used to the power I'm sure especially after several street races in his TA!! (He ran 13.5 at the track in the TA)

<font size=6><marquee>UPDATE!!</marquee></font>

The B*itch Boy TOTALED the vette the other day! T-boned another car! He'll probably get another one though I'm sure!



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I got 231 Cubes of blown power he won't touch

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ya know, you kyle, you turbo 3.8 guys are a real pain in the backside. just when we think we have something pretty quick, you or one of your fellow turbo cronies steps in and makes us all look like school girls. just the other day we were in my friends 94 Z-28 convertable. it is obviously pretty quick, but we raced a GN that day and he absolutely raped us!!!(his car was capable of 11's) someday i'll get smart and buy a GN so i can join your ranks. i can see it now, once i get my GN, i can be an *******, talk trash, and back it up by wasting everyone else on the road like you guys do!!

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Kyle F:
I got 231 Cubes of blown power he won't touch

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If you're all stock (like stated in your signature) he'll touch you all over the place. MOLESTATION!!!!

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How will he molest him, don't the 89 Turbo T/A run high 12's

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by 86TpiTransAm:
The guy sold his LS1 Trans Am to buy the LS1 Vette so he's used to the power I'm sure especially after several street races in his TA!! (He ran 13.5 at the track in the TA)

<font size=6><marquee>UPDATE!!</marquee></font>

The B*itch Boy TOTALED the vette the other day! T-boned another car! He'll probably get another one though I'm sure!

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HAH HA! Dont you just love it when they do that!
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by theformula:
First off, the new LS1 vettes do not run high 12s off the showroom floor. Ever seen them at the track? I've seen plenty. They're all mid 13 /low 13 cars. Just because a car magazine got a high 12 from an LS1 vette doesn't mean s**T.

burnout, it's impossible to say who would win without some knowledge of what you run in the 1/4. Many other factors come into play.

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I agree with you the new non ZO6's are a mid to low 13 sec. car. The ZO6 is a high to mid 12's car

The vettes have 375hp right well if you got more at the wheels than he has at the crank you should be able to pull it off. Am I right? doesn't that make sense?



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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Kyle F:
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Did you get that car running properly yet?? Last I saw you were having problems with is stuttering and dying when you put it in gear and tried to move it!!

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2"> Originally posted by super83z:
The vettes have 375hp right </font>
And only 300-310 REAR WHEEL HP! Burnout's car will be closer to 375-400 RWHP!!
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Mark A Shields:
How will he molest him, don't the 89 Turbo T/A run high 12's

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stock, mid to high 13s. Maybe not full blown rape, but definitely offensive touching
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This car sounds just like ODB's. Finnally the truth comes out... Or maybe if Its not OdB he could show you how to Run 10's with your combo!!!!
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Hey formula, where about delaware u from. Ur car sounds pretty badass. I'm wondering if i've come across u before. Later, Drew

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not sure how high your altitude's are, but i've seen a few 12's with stock LS1's. the hp ratings by the way are 345 for 97 to 2000 models, and 350 for 2001 models. the Z06 (not Z03) is 385 and from what i'm told will be called Z07 next year and will be 405hp. question, when did a turbo trans am have a blower installed? also, a stock turbo trans am will not beat a new LS1 vette. 13.5's at best for a stock one on the stock tires. we have a customer bring his in every year which i work on with only 18k on it. i've driven it and many new vettes. be a good run, but the vette will take it without much trouble. rwhp numbers for vettes are 300 to 315 for LS1 models and 345 to 350 for LS6. enough bench racing though. how about some quater times with yours or results on racing the kid since you said he probably replaced it already.
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My friend is the one that originally posted this topic! (username is difffernt)! I don't think the B*tch boy has replaced the vette yet! B'sides my friend is in the middle of an engine swap right now and his block is still at the machine shop so no track numbers right now!
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Drewcifur:
Hey formula, where about delaware u from. Ur car sounds pretty badass. I'm wondering if i've come across u before. Later, Drew

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I'm from Camden (near dover). I'm always in Townsend my girlfriend lives there. How old are you, what kind of car?

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Yes it is running properly now and all I need is one part and I will hand him his *** . An adjustable waste gate on my Turbo and I can get, I think, up to 20lbs of boost. No wI would have to do other things to get maximum HP out of that. I am kinda new to this turbo game, but it seems pretty easy to get some serious times out of these. You are almost unlimited in boost you can make, only limited on what you enfine will take.

To beat a new vette will take me an adjustable waste gate, adjustable Fuel Pressure regulator, and a K&N set up. This on racing 104 Octane fuel and 19PSI of boost is showing 12.8s I can do all of that for under $500 I believe.
This is just from the little bit of research I have done so far.

As for joining the Ranks of the Turbo 6, well I miss my 355, even though this car is going to be much faster. I loved that V8 thumping through Flowmaster, mmmmm it was good. If someone would rig a similar setup on a 350 It would kick a 231s *** , ie Lingenfelter's Calloway Vette.

I am sure that I will find some V8s faster than my V6, just for the most part my stock V6 is going to be a lot faster than a stock V8.

What I am wating on is a ***** to race me and them complain because I have a V8. then I will say, no sorry its a V6. Can you imagine the confused look on his face when he tries to figure out how he lost to a 2.8 or 3.1, cause I don't plan on showing him the Turbo or having turbo badges on it.
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stock, mid to high 13s. Maybe not full blown rape, but definitely offensive touching
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I've seen many stock TTAs bust off mid twelves so I don't know what you're smokin'. Plus, how many TTAs are stock?????......

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Sorry to tell you this Matt, no stock TTA runs mid 12s. I have 3 tests for them from 3 different magazines. One was 13.5. One was 13.9. And the last one was 14.2.

I've seen them run in person a lot of times. With boost and k&N filter they were running 12.8. Maybe if you would of talked to the owners you would of known instead of assuming they were stock!

Just ask kyle F. He has one. He can tell you what it takes to get them to mid 12s.
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i have personally seen many STOCK C5's run between 12.7-13.1@107-111.. I mean BONE STOCK. the only thing that Chevrolet did not include with the car upon their delivery to the dealership, and sale to the customer was perhaps the oil and filter(most people tend to change that every now and again.) I don't understand the unwillingness to believe that this ever occurs. Contrary to popular belief, the big magazines.. Car and Driver, Motor Trend.. don't drive the **** out of the cars. GMHTP, Mopar Action.. people that don't have to keep manufacturers happy in order to get to test every damn car they make.. DO drive the cars to the MAX, they squeeze EVERYTHING that THEY can out of the car..


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Sorry guys 13.5 is the time in the quarrter for the Turbo Trans Am, though as with any production vehicle some are faster and some are slower than others. This is due to the tolerences. I have seen stock Turbo T/A run as low as a 13.1 and as high as 13.8 in person. No this brings in a lot of factors on the drivers ability to. Most magazines found(in 89)that the car will run 13.4 and 13.5 consistanly Bone stock. Now that is with a professional driver. I would say with me behind the wheel with no mods I could rip out a 13.8 consistantly, then with a little more practice with launching with the boost up and so forth, I could cut atleast .2 off that time in a few weekends. Though if you look at the intake on these and stuff they reall do need a MAF pipe and K&N, they really choked them up bad. That is worth atleast a .1 because it allows the Turbo to spool up quicker without resistance from the intake side. Another thing that people do to the TTA and claim it is stock is change the chip. With a Computer controlled turbo this chip can REALLY add 25 hp from giving a little extra boost and compensating the timing and fuel for it. To the bystander watchin him run it appears to be completely bone stock. I promise you that if you see a TTA running anything under 13.3 it is not stock, unless he is on slicks and leaving the line under full boost.

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Looks like it wasn't the same B*tch boy that we're talkin' about that wrecked the vette! Looks like the race is still on when my friend finally finishes his engine!!

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ummmm what about my subject?? the race with my engine aginst a stock ls1 vette??? that was the ORIGINAL post and subject NOT the tta's sorry but i do need more input also i have updated the final mods for the new engine!!

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In my opinion, on the street you stand no chance becuase the Vette is better all around, especially if you get into weaving around trafic or if your on a curvy road.

I guss the real question you have to ask youself is what time can I run in my car? Can you get a 13.2 or better?

How can the other guy driving the vette do, can he really push it to the limit?

There are too many factors in an actual race to bench race them.

Though lets say two professional drivers drive both cars, the only way for you car to win is to have more power and hook better. So here is the deal, you need more that 350hp at the crank because the Vette is lighter.
IMO you don't have it, though I could be wrong. By all means run a new Vette or go to the track and see what times you can pull out.
Whats the worst thing can happen you lose to a guy that paid $50,000 for a car that barely out runs a $3500 Formula?
Not saying that is all your car is worth, but to most people $3500 is a fair price for any thirdgen it seems.

I hope this is the input you were looking for, but remember when posting something like this you are going to get opinios and other side comments thrown in that will take the topic off point. It always happens in long post. I am just glad this one has not turn into a flame war.

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Kyle F:
In my opinion, on the street you stand no chance becuase the Vette is better all around, especially if you get into weaving around trafic or if your on a curvy road.

I guss the real question you have to ask youself is what time can I run in my car? Can you get a 13.2 or better?

How can the other guy driving the vette do, can he really push it to the limit?

There are too many factors in an actual race to bench race them.

Though lets say two professional drivers drive both cars, the only way for you car to win is to have more power and hook better. So here is the deal, you need more that 350hp at the crank because the Vette is lighter.
IMO you don't have it, though I could be wrong. By all means run a new Vette or go to the track and see what times you can pull out.
Whats the worst thing can happen you lose to a guy that paid $50,000 for a car that barely out runs a $3500 Formula?
Not saying that is all your car is worth, but to most people $3500 is a fair price for any thirdgen it seems.

I hope this is the input you were looking for, but remember when posting something like this you are going to get opinios and other side comments thrown in that will take the topic off point. It always happens in long post. I am just glad this one has not turn into a flame war.

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hey no biggie thanks for the reply i like input of all sorts. yeah the drifting comments of other subjects suck but, they are still posting (sort of) to my topic(not really!) anyhow i "should be" making about 400rwhp after this puppy is installed and i finish tunning it! i ran a desktop dyno on it and it says: i make about 430 hp at 5500 and about 450 lbs of tq at 4500 rpms so at the wheels i should see great tq and about 400 rwhp. so hopefully this vette wont be a problem...the dyno program dosent actually compensate for the engine being balanced and blueprinted either!! that will make some good hp and smoothness differences!! so all in all it will be close but, i think with the hp generated i "should" take him (i hope!)



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Hey guys,got bored today and decided to run
this race on the desk top dyno and drag strip
I got the combinations pretty close but I used the stock flow numbers for the dart heads.The results were this
corvette-13.056@107.3
camaro-13.272@102.3(mph seems low but this
program hates automatics)
Looks to me like if you hook better than him
you can make a race of it.
p.s.will be running similar combo and looking
forward to hearing your track results
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HP is not everyting the driver is a way bigger part in this race. The other guy will probably roast the tires so cut a good light and hope he will screw up.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by 355SS:
HP is not everyting the driver is a way bigger part in this race. The other guy will probably roast the tires so cut a good light and hope he will screw up.</font>

355,

Exactly. You and 84 zeddd are on the right track.

Speaking of tracks, check this out Burnout:

Try to race him on a cold track - and be gentle with your launch, if you break traction, you'll lose. Borrow some slicks, rent some, just get them.

Rev the wee-wee out of your motor as you sit next to him, (with mufflers off), and make him think you're gonna holeshot him with those slicks. He can't know what gear you've got, and the slicks will scare him.

IF....and I mean IF, he does what comes naturally, which is get worried, he will dump the clutch at 4,000 RPM on a cold track.

If you cut a great lite, you'll have a .3 second edge going thru the 60 ft. lites - and hometown boy may not catch you.

Best of luck - and if he comes to the track with slicks.......eh, well, you can always steal his woman right ?


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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Kyle F:
Yes it is running properly now and all I need is one part and I will hand him his *** . An adjustable waste gate on my Turbo and I can get, I think, up to 20lbs of boost. No wI would have to do other things to get maximum HP out of that. I am kinda new to this turbo game, but it seems pretty easy to get some serious times out of these. You are almost unlimited in boost you can make, only limited on what you enfine will take.

To beat a new vette will take me an adjustable waste gate, adjustable Fuel Pressure regulator, and a K&N set up. This on racing 104 Octane fuel and 19PSI of boost is showing 12.8s I can do all of that for under $500 I believe.
This is just from the little bit of research I have done so far.

As for joining the Ranks of the Turbo 6, well I miss my 355, even though this car is going to be much faster. I loved that V8 thumping through Flowmaster, mmmmm it was good. If someone would rig a similar setup on a 350 It would kick a 231s *** , ie Lingenfelter's Calloway Vette.

I am sure that I will find some V8s faster than my V6, just for the most part my stock V6 is going to be a lot faster than a stock V8.

What I am wating on is a ***** to race me and them complain because I have a V8. then I will say, no sorry its a V6. Can you imagine the confused look on his face when he tries to figure out how he lost to a 2.8 or 3.1, cause I don't plan on showing him the Turbo or having turbo badges on it.
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Mod your TTA already punk. If I had that car it would be in the 11s right now
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If you want to win this one you're gonna have to do a little more. You'll never run him down from behind unless you find a way to get rid of about 400 lbs of weight out of your ride. Your only realistic shot at this is to get a killer-diller launch. You need tires and I don't mean 80,000 mile white wall bias-ply highway tires. STICKY tires.

It's damned difficult to run down ANYONE from behind in a short distance. Street racing is a totally different ball game than just comparing timeslips at the strip! Unless you have spent a little time making your ride pay for itself $50 at a time like I used to you probably will not understand why I say that even though there are many good comments above, how this race turns out depends on YOU and your TIRES a lot more than your engine. The difference between a 1.90 60 foot and a 2.20 a LOT more than 3 tenths at the big end of the strip!!!!!
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HAH HA! Dont you just love it when they do that!
No... when a work of art like a vette gets totalled, its never a time to rejoice!


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