chris83z28

Well, I will be graduating from collage in about 9 months and need to make some hard choices. Do I continue working on the Camaro, or pull the 350 and sell the body ( use it in a cj Jeep) and go back to a Mustang. I guess I am not impressed with the performance of the z compaired to my previous stang. My stock motor Stang out performed the Z in every way, was more dependable, and got better gas milage. I plan on building a semi- serious road racer as an everyday driver. I am looking at a 92 or 93 Stang coupe to start on.
Why should I keep my Camaro instead?

hard decisions......

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1983 Camaro Z28
Goodwrench 350ci V8, Edelbrock TES Headers, Flowmaster Catback, MSD 6al and Blaster 2 coil, Edelbrock Performer intake, (Edelbrock Performer 600cfm carb.)- went back to q-jet!!! T5, 373 rear, Eibach springs, Cervin Vega speakers, Rock. Fos. Sub, Pioneer CD,
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91RedBigFinZ

What year stang did you have? It probably wouldnt be hard to outrun a 83 camaro with many of the cars made in the last 10 years. My advice: sell yours and get a newer camaro. Doug.

PS. college, not collage

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'91 Z28 - 50,000 miles. All power options leather. 350 TPI:
K&N; Fastchip; Airfoil; Custom 'Ram-Air'; SLP Headers; Slp Runners; Borla Catback 50% open; Dual factory Cats; Poweraid TB spacer; March underdrive pulleys; Accel Extreme 9000 wires, Accel coil; Hypertech rotor & cap; NGK platinum plugs; manual fan switch; TB coolant bypass; Pirelli P7000 Z245/50/R16 all season tires; Energy suspention motor mounts.
S Cobra Radar Detector; Z28 SS Floormats

Jza

Did the 'stang have a system as well? j/w

RMK

I think this link says it all. Could FORD ever come up with anything like this???


http://www.zlx.com/camaro/zl1.htm

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1987 IROC-Z Auto (LB9)
Black/grey interior with the stance of a streetfighter

Mods
Custom exhaust. 4 Inch pipe from the headders all the way back to a single muffler at the rear. No Cat.

Future mods due in March:
K&Ns
RAM Air
Air foil
AFPR

Hoping to get a couple of tenths with that lot

MouseCamaro305

take redbigfinz's advice and get something a little newer, it wasnt hard for the mustangs to beat a stock 83 camaro, they really arent that fast, and theyre also smoggers, get something with TPI or TBI, or even newer yet, youll be surprised how much a difference youll get compared to a mustang, if youve got the dough get something like a LT1 or LS1, that'll easily smoke a mustang in stock form, why get something so inferior as a ford?

Ray87Z

Why should we try to convince you? Get what you like. If it were me I'd be getting newer 3rd gen, but 5.0 Stangs are nice little cars.

Although I will say you either have a very tamely built or perhaps sick 350 if it can't beat a stock 5.0. Which GM crate engine do you have, one of the base ones I assume? Although you seem to have a decent intake and exhaust, the cam is weaker than hell in several of the Goodwrench engines (near peanut-cam 305 auto specs in a couple)...

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Ray87Z
-Vortec headed 350.
86 IROC w/ a cammed 305 TPI.
Formerly Ray86IROC.
www.inter-scape.com/Ray


[This message has been edited by Ray87Z (edited March 26, 2001).]

LottaBallsCamaro

....Not to mention that mustangs have a much "cheaper" Feel to them.

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idrag2

because people like us 3rd genners will out run your a$# for lunch. Well my car eats 4.6 GT's for lunch and will then sh#@ out some desert for a 5.0.....lol

chris83z28

yes, my z can beat a stock 5.0 without much trouble. My 90 coupe ran 13.8 at 101mph with bolt ons (intake, headers, gears etc..) but the motor was stock. My Camaro runs about 14.8 with all the bolt ons and a stock crate motor (250 hp 350). Same tranny, same rear end gears, equilivent tires. I also have similar suspension parts that I did on the stang and the stang was miles ahead in handeling. You are right though, the stang did have a cheeper feel. I guess I have some hard thinking to do.

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1983 Camaro Z28
Goodwrench 350ci V8, Edelbrock TES Headers, Flowmaster Catback, MSD 6al and Blaster 2 coil, Edelbrock Performer intake, (Edelbrock Performer 600cfm carb.)- went back to q-jet!!! T5, 373 rear, Eibach springs, Cervin Vega speakers, Rock. Fos. Sub, Pioneer CD,
email-chris4421@hotmail.com
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chris83z28

P.S. idrag2,
I never lost a race to a 3rd gen with my Mustang, not even the L98 Iroc.

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1983 Camaro Z28
Goodwrench 350ci V8, Edelbrock TES Headers, Flowmaster Catback, MSD 6al and Blaster 2 coil, Edelbrock Performer intake, (Edelbrock Performer 600cfm carb.)- went back to q-jet!!! T5, 373 rear, Eibach springs, Cervin Vega speakers, Rock. Fos. Sub, Pioneer CD,
email-chris4421@hotmail.com
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camaro6spd

just let him go, who cares, just another stang to roast.

84CAMAROHIGHOUTPUT

you apparently never raced a third gen with a ram jet 350 like mine. two words to ford "you'll lose"

iroc22

Dude Mustangs only have 4 lugs, they have a cheaper feel, their autos suck and they can't out handle a third gen Z28 or IROC.

Enkil

Saying whether or not Ford or Chevrolet/Pontiac is better is pointless. While it's true that (from my experience) a bone-stock Ford Mustang GT 5.0 HO will get beat by a 350TPI Camaro/Pontiac, assuming they're kept in the same condition and such, who's going to keep their car bone stock?

There will always be a car for us to outperform and always one to outperform us.


I do agree however that the F-bodies have a nicer feel to them than the Mustangs do.

As for gas mileage? That just depends on how you tune them.

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89 iroc-z 305 tbi
k&n filtercharger, open element air filter. nuffin' else

Vader

Chris,

An '83 Z is not a good representative of the 'F' car lineup. If you do decide to get a Ford, do yourself a favor - get the 302 instead of the 4.6L Romeo (erector-set) engine. You'll have a lot more power potential and longevity with the 302.

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eightTfourTA

iTrader: (3)

Here's something that I heard from a relative who used to drive a 5.0 Mudstain pursuit vehicle-the way that the engine is situated in those cars, the weight of it is slightly in front of the front axles. This causes a really bad transfer on hard cornering and if speed is high enough, that cute 'lil pony is gonna flip!! Ever seen the movie "Campfire Stories?" You can watch one of these machines totally wipe out over a ravine because of this.
I've only rode in one Mudstain, and it was a '94 25th anniversary edition with a 3.8L V6, 5 spd. It felt very cheesy and it was noisy!! Only thing I liked is that the seats were cushy, but that contributed to a lot of posterior bounce upon hitting rough road. Plus in my experiences, the kind of people I encounter in Mudstains (around here at least) seem to have a head big enough to throw off that weight transfer even more. Don't become one.

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Car #1: my ride
1984 TransAm
305HO(L69) 96K & counting
750 cfm Q-Jet/Holley rem.
K&N filter
700R4/Superior shift-kit
and trans cooler
3.42 rear/3.73 blew up!!
underdrive pulleys
Accel HEI Super-Coil
180 stat/hi flow water
pump/Jet fan switch
dual snorkel/'84 ram air
3" exhaust of some sort
partial emissions delete
Car #2: My wife's ride
1991 Firebird/Formula
305TBI(LO3) 99K & smoking
K&N air filter
Hypertech Chip
more engine mods later
"Hey, Uncle Sam!! Where's my f**king tax return??!!"

mtx28

if im right, the fuzz stopped using mustangs bc they spun around to easily, and too many cops were getting hurt/killed. i dont konw which one is better per se, but i think camaros are set up better

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• 83 Z28--ttops, 200k miles--very ragged out. sold after a year of owning it
• 74 Z28--slightly modded 383, TH400 tranny, 10 bolt rear, not to swift, but a 700R4 and EFI is on the way

Racerwannabe

I've seen two cars completely ripped in half in my life. Both "were" fox body mustangs. I've seen several third gen wrecks too. That long nose is a great impact absorber.

The Mustang (Fox chassis) was designed to shuffle people around as cheaply as possible. It was then adapted to go fast because the tooling was there and again, it was cheap. IMO the Mustang borders on disposeable, which I'm sure Ford had in mind. Not that they don't serve their purpose, I had an '85 ex police car coupe and raised hell in it. Untill the water pump shaft broke while I was doing a burnout for the guys at work.

The third gen was built to go fast and then toned down to the R/S and berlinetta models. Chevy made some pretty soft Camaro's but they were all Camaro's.

All in all though it really doesn't matter if you get a mustang or whatever so get what you want. But you'll always know a Camaro is better anyway.

idrag2

One of these days we will have to get togeather and I will spot you 2 cars and will still out run you!!!!!!!!!!!! Cumstains SUCK!!!!!!!

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BigChevy342

I dont understand why people register on a cheverolet sight if they are ford fans, goto a different forum, were not here to talk about ***** ponys, im sure theres mustang forums out there, so get lost.

8Mike9

I'm thinking don't let the Chevy hit ya on the A$$ on the way out...but if you're driving a FoRd...it's inevetible

Big454blockchevy

I have never ever driven a mustang ,my only experience with them is when my 86 Z28 beats their **** to the ground! Imagine what the poor fellow feels when a thirdgen Z28 beats his new sports toy.

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Big 454 72 Chevy Nova
383 86 Camaro Z28
10.5:1compression 186 casting Heads,234dur.488lift exh&int,Edelbrock performer intake, Holley750 vac.sec 400 crank,flat top pistons,edelbrock valve springs and lifters,tranny shift kit,kickdown kit and tranny oil cooler. Will install 3.73's later on and might go with a more aggresive cam.

PhantomChamp

Get a Firebird Formula if you want a change. I've had all three of the aforementioned musclecars, and I like my Formula the best. The Banshee front ends of the 91-92 are aerodynamically superior to the Camaro, plus Firebirds in general have a lower sloping hood than it's cousin.

Mustangs are just plain ugly and not very aerodynamic at all. Plus Ford can't build a transmission.

Heed the warnings of the curse of the 305 TBI, it really is an inferior engine, take your time to find at least a TPI.

just my two pennies.

mustangs killer

Q: What's more fun than smoking a mustang.
A: Smoking a mustang someone just bought and they thought it was the sh@t.
Why do mustang owners think there cars our so fast. I've beat every mustang I've race rangeing from 2000's to 1985's. Thier all far inferior to a thirdgen, especially a modified 350.

[This message has been edited by mustangs killer (edited March 27, 2001).]

406 S10 Man

iTrader: (1)

i think those 93 gt stangs are kinda cool. if you want one, knock yourself out. course, i'll smoke you without serious mods, but my s10 is seriously modded.

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88 S10
Dropped 3/4
18" Boyd Coddington Timeless 5s
Dart equipped 406
12.20 @ 115.25 mph

superz

a friend of mine HAD a 89 stang. it had a 306 with supercharger. roll cage and subframe connecters. it ran high 10's. there is no doubting it was a fast car. he put nitrous on it and ran it one time. it ran a 10.2. when he left the line, the front fenders dented and the floor pan buckled. ruined the car. it had no rust on it. his brother had the same thing and the floor of it buckled too. i heard the other day of a 5.0 stang at the strip that the chassis twisted so much when he launched he busted the windshield. to go fast these cars need a tube chassis. there is a reason they feel cheap, it is cause they are. there is also a reason they are lighter weight than F-cars, it is cause they are made of thinner metal and have no chassis strength. typical ford qulaity at its finest. if you want to drive a car built like a rubbermaid trash can, go for it, but for me only the best will do, GENERAL MOTORS.

chris83z28

I have two things to say:

1) Thankyou very much to those who gave me constructive opinions. I posted this comment to help me decide what I wanted to do and now have more things to consider. I think I will try out some of the newer f-bodies before I decide. I wanted to weigh my options before making a decision. See, I have a long Ford background but do like the Camaro too. Thankyou agian.

2) For the rest of you, I drive a 3rd gen just like you and excuse me all to hell for even considering moving to another relm other than the "cultist" 3rd gen beliefes of you nice chaps. If your going to be ******, why post at all? I guess I should have expeced such things from some of the less considerate and immature members.

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1983 Camaro Z28
Goodwrench 350ci V8, Edelbrock TES Headers, Flowmaster Catback, MSD 6al and Blaster 2 coil, Edelbrock Performer intake, (Edelbrock Performer 600cfm carb.)- went back to q-jet!!! T5, 373 rear, Eibach springs, Cervin Vega speakers, Rock. Fos. Sub, Pioneer CD,
email-chris4421@hotmail.com
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Da91Bird

Dude, you posted on a 3rd Gen F-body site. Half of the members have "Mustang hater/beater/killer" in their names or signatures. What did you expect?

branz28

I own a 2000 Z28 which was my 1st manual tranny car, and i got the old iroc. No matter which i drive i always feel good when i see a stang on the side of the road with his/her hood popped looking for something wrong. I'm not going to get into what's better and what's not because everyone has an opinion... It's whatever makes you feel good. For that fact of the matter, my fourthgen is no at all comfortable to me, like the ol' 89.

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89 IROC-Z 350 TPI

-Flowmaster Catback
-Performance Resource Chip
-700R4 (Rebuilt) Too much done to actually list
-K&N Airfilters
-Ported Plenum
-2.77 Gears (not much to brag about but eh, its there)
-MSD 8.5 mm plug wires
-Gutted cat
-!AIR

Red Devil

I think I may have to play the lottery the day I actually see signs of constructive thought on this board in regard to this subject, the world will probably end the next day. I can probably guarantee a notch in my W column for most of the slopeheads that are too close minded to realize that both platforms are viable options in the musclecar arena. It all depends in whose hands the project in question resides. My '79 Corvette is faster than my '89 GT which is faster than my '89 GTA, which is faster than my '95 Cobra, which is faster than my ’89 Suburban, and all of them are slower than my Dad's Cobra Replicar. They are all also built in much different ways (the Cobra is a stock low-miler). I am currently looking at an '82 'Bird for a new project and should run faster than all the other cars. The fact that the Mustang line won in the sales race does speak loudly. Addendum - As an FYI did all you Mustang bashers realize that in 1962 Chevy had the Mustang moniker slated for a Chevy vehicle, but Ford beat them to the punch using the name publicly?

As far as the original question goes...
If you want recommendations, well it depends. If you want a car that has some power, is put together well, is comfortably and you don't have to do a lot to it, I would go with an ’95 V-8 Mustang, or a finished project ’89 F-Body (sorry, I’m a MAF guy and I like the year). The newer f-bodies have good power, but are not too comfortable. I never really liked the older Fox body Mustangs, but they are so damn easy to propel with bolt-ons it’s not even a joking matter. If you want something you can work on, either is good. Personally I’d like to add an Impala to the stable, or maybe an old Road Runner or Fury, the wife wants a bloody Benz – no more sports cars for her I guess.


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evilho7810

All you guys who say you never been beat by a Mustang have either raced one or two or are full of $hit. Fox bodied mustangs will blow the ****in doors off of any 3rd gen with equal mods. But the interior on mustangs suck at least pre 94. If you have the cash just get a ls1 f-body or 96+ cobra. By the way the cobra's are much nicer cars to own.

junkyarddog

my best friend has a '96 GT rag top,plum metallic w/black leather interior,4.6L,5 speed,with 17"s and bose stereo. it is a really nice car,but too much of a headache to mod,it has two cams!!! and he broke the plastic intake(although he did dump the clutch at 4500rpms when that occured) I drive a stock '84 TA 305 HO,700r4 so I can't say I've ever smoked a real V8 'stang but F-bodies are more solid,I've thought of converting too because my first car was a Lincoln Mark VI with a 351 windsor and AOD that hauled A$$,but my friend never let me drive the stangs,so I don't know any better compromise: GTA/Formula with Fords bullet proof 9" rear end!! and convert it to a stick to show the ford guys how to shift, we all know that "only little girls ride ponies" but one race against my friends GT and you'll probably be spending the next day under the hood wondering what the problem is,he's not trying to conserve his clutch.....

dudelovett

Buy whatever you like best...its your money!!

I'd go for an L98 3rd gen of some sort because they'll run about the same in the 1/4 as a 5.0 and you'll actually be able to corner going over 10 mph.

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1991 Firebird Formula
305 TPI, Auto, Accel Cap & Rotor, K&N Filter, Grant GT Steering Wheel, 5% Rear tint, Pontiac Windshield Decal, Fresh paint
No real mods yet!

Former owner of an 88 2.8 Firebird....RIP

GTAMAN63

chris83z28,

Tough decision. Both a newer f-body or newer Ford have potential. Take a drive in a newer f-body and campare it to how your old Stang was. Which do you like better? Get the one you want and forget about the brand. I own a vechicle from each of the "big three" and they all have thier weaknesses. Get some time behind the wheel of the cars you want before selecting. I test drove a Camaro, 2 Mustangs, and a Pontiac before making my most recent decision. I liked all the cars I drove (all v-8's), it was a tough choice. Good luck!!

Barry Izold
89 T/A, GTA / 63 Comet Convertible
Modified 350/T-5 / Modified 250/Toploader
Dodge Caravan - Parts hauler!

Stormshadow GTA

Hey RMK ever hear of the 10 litre boss mustang,that is what ford can make,ever hear of the zl1 boss shootout.

Da91Bird

Why let the F-body guys talk you out of it, let's get the Mustang guys to do it. Check out these posts from stangnet.

http://forums.stangnet.com/showthread.php?s=f9a079c256dcd69fdac50c 37cdd6e426&threadid=37771&highlight=camaro

http://forums.stangnet.com/showthread.php?s=f9a079c256dcd69fdac50c 37cdd6e426&threadid=37564&highlight=camaro

If you read all of those posts you'll notice that they have all put A LOT of thought into what kind of F-body they would get IF they could afford it. And every one of them says that they would need to mod the hell out of their Mustangs to make them hang with an F-body. Granted, those posts are referring to 4th gen's.




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SUPER-SPORT-CHEVY

My ex had a little black 89 HO stang 5spd. It was a fun little car to drive had some mad Ballzz to. But It could never keep up with my 85 camaro with a 350 in it. If you like the stang go for it like some of the guys said it just another one to beat
BTW ive never lost a race to a mustang even with my heavy A** 76 c10 With a 350 and a 3on the tree. I suggest that you learn how to build a good 350 or 305. Kinda sounds to me like you dont know how to

mostafa3k

First of all, you idiots have no clue what you're talkin' about.

Chris this is what you should do. Forget those crap thridgens and crap crustangs. Go buy yourself a Honda Civic DX, slap some stickers and a big wing on it, $50 in mods tops. You'll blow the doors off a ferrari with that.

I know... I'm pro.

chris83z28

Yea, stickers make it faster!! You think if I paint a massive R on the side that I will drop at least a second?


It was a crate motor, I did not build it myself. I do know how to rebuild a motor (304ci jeep, three motorcycles)

Question wise guys:
Why does it take a whole lot less hp to get a Mustang down the track in the same time as a Camaro (ex. my 90 coupe W/ less than 280 crank hp that spanked ram air LT1 *** by 1.5 car lenths in the quarter)? (I can't wait to here the replys. I am gritting my teeth )

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1983 Camaro Z28
Goodwrench 350ci V8, Edelbrock TES Headers, Flowmaster Catback, MSD 6al and Blaster 2 coil, Edelbrock Performer intake, (Edelbrock Performer 600cfm carb.)- went back to q-jet!!! T5, 373 rear, Eibach springs, Cervin Vega speakers, Rock. Fos. Sub, Pioneer CD,
email-chris4421@hotmail.com
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ede

well it looks to me like we've beat this dead horse about long enough so i'm going to lock it. if any of you would like to continue this feel free to repost.

i wouldn't mind having a fox body gt. i don't think that makes me a traitor to the f body, i've had a camaro since high school, and that was a very long time ago.



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