jrg77

How much do you figure is too much on the street? That is on a dry hot sticky day you lightly tap the gas and your wheels spin like crazy?

I was thinkin'... if you have too much torque and too few revs you have to go to a numerically lower gear to get doen the street, right?

EvilCartman

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Just get some drag radials to drive on the street with that much power or learn how to control it

jrg77

That's not was I was looking for, and it is also not a practical answer as the tires would go through too many heat cycles, become hard, be useless on the track, and run out of tread relatively quickly compared to an actual street oriented tire.

Perhaps I should rephrase...

Given a normal summer sports tire what is the maximum amount of power one could put down on the street, and not distrurb the peace?

25THRSS

I say learn to control the power. You really can't have too much. Just learn to drive it. give it less gas, slip the clutch more, etc. If you don't have posi, get it!

Insomniac92z28

Too much power.....

BWaaaHHHAaaaaHHaaaa.

DISTURB THE PEACE!!

Seriously though, as long as the car is set up right it will be good for at least 500rwhp. It won't hook but it will be safe and controllable. Get some street slicks if you can't hook.

No such thing.

jrg77

If I gotta use slicks it's not worth having on the street IMHO.

Hey, Insomniac92z28,

Which Dynomax muffler do you have?

EvilCartman

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Well sorry if my answer wasn't up to your standards. Friend of mine has to use BFG drag radials to make his car driveable on the street. They still cut good times at the track and have lasted a lot longer than one would think.

Bink

A stock 2002 Z28 will spin the tires/ has some traction issues. How much power is acceptable is going to be up to you. If you can't handle it/control it then you don't need it. There is not really a certain number that is the limit, the limit depends alot on the driver. But I agree that you can never have to much power . Too little of tire maybe, but not to much power.

Ricktpi

My car has about 400 RWHP & on the street, I run P245/60R15 BFG Radial T/A's & anything more than 1/3 throttle from a start will light up the tires. With BFG 275/50R15 Drag Radials, it will hook up at the track with little to no wheelspin. That is acceptable to me because I have learned to handle it.

SSC

No such thing as too much power for street use. Theres a such thing as not enough tq for street use but thats mostly a fuel economy issue. Even if you had a 1000hp engine your not exactly going to let off the clutch on a hot day and spin the tires unless you try. A typical street performance engine in genreal terms is 300-350hp at the crank. This is pushing fuel economy to the edge, 3 things a street performance engine needs, tq, hp and at least 12mpg city.

Insomniac92z28

It is one of the Dynomax Magnaflow mufflers.

You don't have to use slicks. You just have to use common sense to launch. If you can't spin your tires on the street, your car is week and won't run very good at the track.

My wife drives a 500rwhp 4th gen camaro (ATI blown 383) and it is very drivable and VERY worth having IMHO.

jrg77

OK I got it.

Up to about 400 on regular tires, 500 on drag radials and either way you have to wacth what you're doing.

Thanks,

Insomniac92z28,

Is it one of those with fiberglass or whatever in it?

I heard the one the Super Turbo Kit on the Dynomax website. I like it, but I am concerned that the baffling (?) will burn up and blow out.

zippy

between me and my buddy (his car) we put about 4k miles each on it and had no problems with it being too much. in fact had he kept it till next season it would have had more not including the 250 shot that we never got to try on it.

Insomniac92z28

It was on the car when I bought it. I really don't know all the specifics on it. It is too quiet as it is, but I am putting headers on it so it should wake it up some, especially w/o cats and with ported heads.

Zippy,
That car kicks @ss. What a piece of work. Droooool!

Later,
Charlie

jrg77

It seems that most people get flowmasters: that's ALL they have at the local speed shops. I am ambivalent about the volume of sound they make. The timbre is really harsh to me. There are enough people in 4th gens with Borlas that I am willing to pass on them. I haven't heard any others to know where I would like them or not.

I know I'm not supposed to like them, but Mustangs sound gorgeous without mufflers. It's like thunder and music all at the same time. There's got to be a way to get close to that...

88Camaro350

I would say in good weather it would take A LOT of power...like 500rhwp on regular tires. However that much power would be ridiculous.

I say 400rwhp on street tires could/would get swirly easily. You coudn't drive it very hard.

My car is pretty stupid in the winter. You definetly couldn't drive 400+rwhp in snow like I have to.

Kandied91z

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my stock l98 would burn up the street tires if i wanted too....i too don't want a slick car but if i have to use dr's to get it to hook it doesn't bother me. anything above 300 benefits well from a good dr. as far as power i say go as high as your wallet will allow.

on the muffler subject check out spintech...i absolutely love it. i ditched my borla for a flowmaster 2 chamber and my spintech 2 chamber 4" is insane. as far as mustang sounds....change the firing order of your engine and you'll reproduce the sound. the standard sbc can't do it.

ede

i think the real question and real problem is not spinning on dry pavement but on a wet road. there isn't such thing as too much power as much as how you apply it.

Morley

There isn't any such thing as "too much power for the street". If you drive like an idot, then 200 hp would be too much for you, if you drive responsibly you should be able to handle whatever you want.
As an example, CC did a cover story on a guy in Chi town that had a 9 second STREET car, it was a 1200 HP Hemi Cuda. The guy drove it regularly to the local "cruize ins" and took the editor of CC along on one of them. Now, he only got 4 MPG, but the car was street legal and was streetable.

bytal

yeah. your main concern is gonna be the rain.. if you're even gonna be driving something super powerful in the rain... In Vancouver, there is someone with a 89? i think mustang. it runs high 7's - low 8's at the track and somehow it is street legal... how.. i have no bloody clue lol...

hydric

yeah i think this question isn't about the machine but the "user" =]

94-6spd

Comp Cams now sells camshafts for the sbc that has a different firing order. I think that 7 and 4 is switched. 1-8-7-3-6-5-4-2

jrg77

YOU MEAN YOU CAN CHANGE THE FIRING ORDER?!?!?!?!?:rockon: :rockon: :rockon:

zippy

that'd be like changing the sound of a harley. i happen to like the sound of a small block chevy, although more a gen III.

jrg77

What sort of performance change would be associated with this?

kfoley

This question is a joke right???

You can never have too much power!

reilly8282

not to steal the thread, but anxious to hear more about these cams, and maybe a sound clip, maybe you oughta make a new thread about this design...i love the chevy throaty rumble also but i am very curious as to what it would sound like....

DBLTKE

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Too much power? No such thing. A buddy of mine owns an '82 Camaro that puts down about 1200 hp to the rear wheels. It is street legal and is driven on the streets at least once a week. He doesn't have any problem with it.

Sonix

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Ok.... bring back a 4 year old thread for that comment?

That's a sweet purple 3rd gen there. He can't drive it on the street with those wrinkle walls out back right?

Gee, it's a mystery, wonder what gives it the power eh? haha, not exactly a sleeper..

Arctic White 91 RS

400 to 500 rwhp is usually pretty good for the street. There are other factors of course.

Over 500 starts to get hard to hook up.

az_brent

ok

#1..no such thing as "too much power"
#2..if u drive like an idiot then sure rainy days are gunna be an issue...my car still has issues hookn on rainy days but thats not cuz im tryn to push the car in unsafe conditions, id tell ya how much power i have but i have no clue, as long as you drive cautious during the rainy days, mainly when the light turns green tho i kno its hard not to give the throttle the floor, everything is fine
#3..get some street legal slicks and some drag slicks for the track that way you dont have to worry bout tires
and finally
#4..during a nice sunny day it dont matter if u light em up or not just as long as you know you can control it and there are no cops around...if you cant control it then id suggest not even thinkn of the thought

but im a young driver with they keys to my own Frankenstein which i dont know the limits of cuz i keep breaking other oem parts

wannafbody

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wow thats a ugly car but love the stuff stiking out of the hood!

84z28350

I like the license plate!

Rob Wade

depending on the motor....20-40 HP
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Except for small animals and children getting sucked into the turbos!

az_brent

dude i love your pipes...i tried to find some like those for mine but i ended up gettn a summit racing style setup...i dont remember the brand but i love yours

rx7speed

not having enough torque shouldn't cause issues with fuel economy too much. and if anything small motor with low torque would be good for fuel economy as you generally get more efficient with the throttle blades uponed up moer

atc3434

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You guys should watch some of the videos Nelson Racing Engines make, they routinely drive cars w/ 4 digit horsepower figures on the street. IMO, lots of N/A hp is harder to dial than boost, especially turbo charged hp. Once the boost hits, that equation changes quickly, but if your ginger with the pedal, keeping out of the boost shouldn't be too hard, and can make a 1000hp turbocharged car very streetable indeed.