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Old 11-15-2002 | 07:48 AM
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Ultimate street thirdgen thoughts

Chevy small block 4.125 bore punched .06 over
Forged crank, try for a 4.130 stroke to make 454 cubes or 7.4L
32v heads!!!
Custom stainless exhaust similar to NASCAR 4 into 4 with crossover for equalizing pressure but option to run dual exhaust with some electronic crossover valves that direct into a muffled stock style system
Redline of 9000rpm
Hydrarev kit
Custom built Roller lifters for the 3d cam profile grind
Drysump oil system
Variable duration cam designed by yours truely
Adjustable intake runner length and diameter
Adjustable intake plenum volume
Biggest TB possible.
T56 tranny
4.10 rear gears in a ford 9"
Spohn everything suspension parts and SFCs, you name it
6 point roll cage
tube k-member and coil over kit
baer brakes, the biggest
in a Red camaro, grey interior
stock looking interior with hidden switchs etc.
stock hood with blisters or cowl or SS or bigblock and z28 high rise
Custom 18" stock 91/92 style wheels 12" in back, 9.5" upfront

That's my dream for the best of the best. Might go with independant rear suspension but that is a maybe, still an option....if I had millions of green bills to through around.
Can somebody add too or come up with another dream street thirdgen? Maybe one that uses all bolt-on parts (except exhaust). For example; 427 small block SLP T-ram intake, normal roller cam etc.
Just day dreaming of it gives me a smirk grim.
Old 11-15-2002 | 12:54 PM
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Forged crank, try for a 4.130 stroke to make 454 cubes or 7.4L
Redline of 9000rpm
Your going to have some serious piston speed problems with that combo. I believe it works out to be 4223.7 miles/hour, if i understand it correctly.
Old 11-15-2002 | 01:43 PM
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Old 11-15-2002 | 01:56 PM
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Your going to have some serious piston speed problems with that combo. I believe it works out to be 4223.7 miles/hour, if i understand it correctly.
Mathematical Mark here to try my hand at this...

A stroke of 4.130" means the piston travels 4.130" four times for every revolution (once per stroke - I, C, P, E). 9,000rpm readline means 36,000 strokes per minute. That's 148,680 inches per minute, or 12,390 feet per minute, or 2.35 miles per minute. 2.35 miles per minute is the same as 140.80 miles per hour.

If I've missed something or my logic is wrong, let me know.
Old 11-15-2002 | 02:04 PM
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my ultimate thirdgen would run in the low 10s at around 140 on a AAA battery, no gasoline engine.
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why bother with one of those cute but archaic reciprocating engines, i was thinking Pratt&Whitney f100, no tranny required!
Old 11-15-2002 | 02:19 PM
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why bother with one of those cute but archaic reciprocating engines, i was thinking Pratt&Whitney f100, no tranny required!
Would be too non-stock
As for the ede comment about a AAA, I've got one better. How about having it do 9's with a lithium ion watch batter and some solar/wind power. **** it. Let's just go nuclear....I always did like steam engines.
Old 11-15-2002 | 03:38 PM
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can you fit a nuclear reactor under the stock hood?
Old 11-15-2002 | 04:26 PM
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You might need to modify it a bit...

Of course, everything in the ultimate thirdgen would be aluminum and composite materials (CF or Kevlar).
Old 11-15-2002 | 07:57 PM
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You might need to modify it a bit...

Of course, everything in the ultimate thirdgen would be aluminum and composite materials (CF or Kevlar).
I forgot about that. Definatly CF front-end and kevlar/CF door panels/floor panels etc. Only catch would be for it to look stock. Carpet etc.
Imagine my dream car weighing in at 2800lbs or less .
Old 11-15-2002 | 09:44 PM
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Originally posted by Mark305TBI
Mathematical Mark here to try my hand at this...

A stroke of 4.130" means the piston travels 4.130" four times for every revolution (once per stroke - I, C, P, E). ............

If I've missed something or my logic is wrong, let me know.
one revolution has two strokes, one up and one down. it takes 2 revolutions for eacu piston to complete all 4 strokes.

so that is 4.130" * 2 = 8.260"
8.260" * 9,000 = 74340" per minute
=103.25 feet per secon
Old 11-15-2002 | 11:06 PM
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My dream third gen.Would be a 500 horse 383.Look bone stock.4-wheel disk.Nice paint weld prostars.10.50 e/t streets.Electric exhaust cutouts.It would have to be fuel injected.9 inch with 4.11's.t56 tranny.It would be a 86 iroc.That was black.


A very buildable car.But my dream third gen.
Old 11-16-2002 | 02:39 AM
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One without TBI and all 1 color of paint.
Old 11-16-2002 | 06:59 AM
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Oh yeah, no TPI on this dream. Wouldn't want to spend $$$$$ and have the hp curve stop at 4500 and flat all the way to 9000. That's just stupid.
Old 11-16-2002 | 07:22 AM
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bort that's just crazy talk, tbi and all one color paint, it isn't possiable.
Old 11-16-2002 | 09:10 AM
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Originally posted by ede
bort that's just crazy talk, tbi and all one color paint, it isn't possiable.
You're mistaken...it's actually the TPI cars that don't have one color paint (don't make me list the members to prove a point). It's probably because they spent so much money on their intake that they don't have the funds for a paint job.
If it doesn't make you faster why bother? You can take that as a reply to both the TBI and paint
Old 11-16-2002 | 09:37 AM
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Get a flux capacitor that should do the trick, travel 1 sec into the future and be right at the finish line.
Old 11-16-2002 | 03:51 PM
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gull wings
Old 11-16-2002 | 09:12 PM
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gull wings
Would be tuff keeping that look stock since our windows are frameless. A swing up and out is a possibility but gull would be tuff. If the car was t-top then maybe with some creative methods.
Old 11-17-2002 | 01:14 AM
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yeah but i think gull wings would be easier to do than running on AAA batteries and gigantic flux capacitors.
Old 11-17-2002 | 11:40 AM
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Old 11-17-2002 | 07:27 PM
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Originally posted by Ace_Murdock
one revolution has two strokes, one up and one down. it takes 2 revolutions for eacu piston to complete all 4 strokes.

so that is 4.130" * 2 = 8.260"
8.260" * 9,000 = 74340" per minute
=103.25 feet per secon
actually i calculated it be traveling at 110 mph.
here how i did it

4.130 * pi * 9000 /12 * 60 /5280=110 mph
which is roughly 164 ft/sec

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Old 11-17-2002 | 07:42 PM
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i don't think you need to use pi. that will just give you the circumference of the crank as it spins. the piston is just up and down motion.

now to really get you guys going, the speed calculated is just average speed. find the velocity of the piston at its highest velocity.
Old 11-17-2002 | 07:43 PM
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oh JPrevost how much does your team practice driving your cars? because that is what hurts our team is the driving part i believe.
Old 11-18-2002 | 12:23 AM
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If you want the ultimate thirdgen look at my other post https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/sho...hreadid=138168 and DROOL!!!!!

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Old 11-18-2002 | 12:39 AM
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Originally posted by Ace_Murdock
oh JPrevost how much does your team practice driving your cars? because that is what hurts our team is the driving part i believe.
Well we have a couple cars but both are being rebuilt right now so no experience yet . There is a lot of other stuff that needs to get done before there are any driving.
We're not like Cornell which interview people to join their team and then have a group that does nothing but practice driving. This is a state school, nothing priss about it.
Last year we dropped from 4th overall to something like 214 because of the crappy wiring of the fuel pump got cut under the seat. -300 points for the pits and that's what happens. We're going to be working on a bunch of little stuff this winter, first things first is running labeled wires!!!
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JPrevost, i work on campus, in the buisness and technologhy center on kinnear
Old 11-18-2002 | 08:47 AM
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Then we should go for lunch sometime. You're about a 2 minute drive if that.
Old 11-18-2002 | 08:59 AM
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any time, just ask for ed at the desk. i don't work fridays and this thursday we have companey paid lunch for meeting goals.
Old 11-18-2002 | 04:11 PM
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You guys should dream about cars that run 9's on bull sh*t! You've already got plenty of that in this thread! LOL!!!!

Sorry, couldn't resist...
Old 11-18-2002 | 04:19 PM
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yeah i hope michigan tech does better this year.

i am actually trying to find a way to get these little cars to run on the massive amounts of snow up here. we get close to 300 inches per year in snow.
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Ok ok! while we are at it.. how about this idea

Rig up some sort of computer system inside the car to generate a spherical force field that is impenetrable. So you sit inside the car and all you do is change the coordinates of the force field to travel through space and time.. it would be radical!!

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BTW i got the idea from some early 80s movie.. try it!
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Hey, I am on Formula SAE at Old Dominion University.

My dream, daily driver thirdgen would have a LS1. All you have to do is port and polish the heads, and get a new cam and your already running low 12's on a engine that gets 24 highway miles per gallon.
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v-16

or

5 viper engines, one for each wheel, and the other for a propeller in the back
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