Ultimate street thirdgen thoughts
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Ultimate street thirdgen thoughts
Chevy small block 4.125 bore punched .06 over
Forged crank, try for a 4.130 stroke to make 454 cubes or 7.4L
32v heads!!!
Custom stainless exhaust similar to NASCAR 4 into 4 with crossover for equalizing pressure but option to run dual exhaust with some electronic crossover valves that direct into a muffled stock style system
Redline of 9000rpm
Hydrarev kit
Custom built Roller lifters for the 3d cam profile grind
Drysump oil system
Variable duration cam designed by yours truely
Adjustable intake runner length and diameter
Adjustable intake plenum volume
Biggest TB possible.
T56 tranny
4.10 rear gears in a ford 9"
Spohn everything suspension parts and SFCs, you name it
6 point roll cage
tube k-member and coil over kit
baer brakes, the biggest
in a Red camaro, grey interior
stock looking interior with hidden switchs etc.
stock hood with blisters or cowl or SS or bigblock and z28 high rise
Custom 18" stock 91/92 style wheels 12" in back, 9.5" upfront
That's my dream for the best of the best. Might go with independant rear suspension but that is a maybe, still an option....if I had millions of green bills to through around.
Can somebody add too or come up with another dream street thirdgen? Maybe one that uses all bolt-on parts (except exhaust). For example; 427 small block SLP T-ram intake, normal roller cam etc.
Just day dreaming of it gives me a smirk grim.
Forged crank, try for a 4.130 stroke to make 454 cubes or 7.4L
32v heads!!!
Custom stainless exhaust similar to NASCAR 4 into 4 with crossover for equalizing pressure but option to run dual exhaust with some electronic crossover valves that direct into a muffled stock style system
Redline of 9000rpm
Hydrarev kit
Custom built Roller lifters for the 3d cam profile grind
Drysump oil system
Variable duration cam designed by yours truely
Adjustable intake runner length and diameter
Adjustable intake plenum volume
Biggest TB possible.
T56 tranny
4.10 rear gears in a ford 9"
Spohn everything suspension parts and SFCs, you name it
6 point roll cage
tube k-member and coil over kit
baer brakes, the biggest
in a Red camaro, grey interior
stock looking interior with hidden switchs etc.
stock hood with blisters or cowl or SS or bigblock and z28 high rise
Custom 18" stock 91/92 style wheels 12" in back, 9.5" upfront
That's my dream for the best of the best. Might go with independant rear suspension but that is a maybe, still an option....if I had millions of green bills to through around.
Can somebody add too or come up with another dream street thirdgen? Maybe one that uses all bolt-on parts (except exhaust). For example; 427 small block SLP T-ram intake, normal roller cam etc.
Just day dreaming of it gives me a smirk grim.
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Forged crank, try for a 4.130 stroke to make 454 cubes or 7.4L
Redline of 9000rpm
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Originally posted by ME Leigh
Your going to have some serious piston speed problems with that combo. I believe it works out to be 4223.7 miles/hour, if i understand it correctly.
Your going to have some serious piston speed problems with that combo. I believe it works out to be 4223.7 miles/hour, if i understand it correctly.
A stroke of 4.130" means the piston travels 4.130" four times for every revolution (once per stroke - I, C, P, E). 9,000rpm readline means 36,000 strokes per minute. That's 148,680 inches per minute, or 12,390 feet per minute, or 2.35 miles per minute. 2.35 miles per minute is the same as 140.80 miles per hour.
If I've missed something or my logic is wrong, let me know.
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Originally posted by laiky
why bother with one of those cute but archaic reciprocating engines, i was thinking Pratt&Whitney f100, no tranny required!
why bother with one of those cute but archaic reciprocating engines, i was thinking Pratt&Whitney f100, no tranny required!
As for the ede comment about a AAA, I've got one better. How about having it do 9's with a lithium ion watch batter and some solar/wind power. **** it. Let's just go nuclear....I always did like steam engines.
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Originally posted by Jza
You might need to modify it a bit...
Of course, everything in the ultimate thirdgen would be aluminum and composite materials (CF or Kevlar).
You might need to modify it a bit...
Of course, everything in the ultimate thirdgen would be aluminum and composite materials (CF or Kevlar).
Imagine my dream car weighing in at 2800lbs or less .
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Originally posted by Mark305TBI
Mathematical Mark here to try my hand at this...
A stroke of 4.130" means the piston travels 4.130" four times for every revolution (once per stroke - I, C, P, E). ............
If I've missed something or my logic is wrong, let me know.
Mathematical Mark here to try my hand at this...
A stroke of 4.130" means the piston travels 4.130" four times for every revolution (once per stroke - I, C, P, E). ............
If I've missed something or my logic is wrong, let me know.
so that is 4.130" * 2 = 8.260"
8.260" * 9,000 = 74340" per minute
=103.25 feet per secon
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My dream third gen.Would be a 500 horse 383.Look bone stock.4-wheel disk.Nice paint weld prostars.10.50 e/t streets.Electric exhaust cutouts.It would have to be fuel injected.9 inch with 4.11's.t56 tranny.It would be a 86 iroc.That was black.
A very buildable car.But my dream third gen.
A very buildable car.But my dream third gen.
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Oh yeah, no TPI on this dream. Wouldn't want to spend $$$$$ and have the hp curve stop at 4500 and flat all the way to 9000. That's just stupid.
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Originally posted by ede
bort that's just crazy talk, tbi and all one color paint, it isn't possiable.
bort that's just crazy talk, tbi and all one color paint, it isn't possiable.
If it doesn't make you faster why bother? You can take that as a reply to both the TBI and paint
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Originally posted by Ace_Murdock
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BTW, I'm part of the same program. So is my friend at Drexel.
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Originally posted by Ace_Murdock
one revolution has two strokes, one up and one down. it takes 2 revolutions for eacu piston to complete all 4 strokes.
so that is 4.130" * 2 = 8.260"
8.260" * 9,000 = 74340" per minute
=103.25 feet per secon
one revolution has two strokes, one up and one down. it takes 2 revolutions for eacu piston to complete all 4 strokes.
so that is 4.130" * 2 = 8.260"
8.260" * 9,000 = 74340" per minute
=103.25 feet per secon
here how i did it
4.130 * pi * 9000 /12 * 60 /5280=110 mph
which is roughly 164 ft/sec
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i don't think you need to use pi. that will just give you the circumference of the crank as it spins. the piston is just up and down motion.
now to really get you guys going, the speed calculated is just average speed. find the velocity of the piston at its highest velocity.
now to really get you guys going, the speed calculated is just average speed. find the velocity of the piston at its highest velocity.
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oh JPrevost how much does your team practice driving your cars? because that is what hurts our team is the driving part i believe.
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If you want the ultimate thirdgen look at my other post https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/sho...hreadid=138168 and DROOL!!!!!
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Originally posted by Ace_Murdock
oh JPrevost how much does your team practice driving your cars? because that is what hurts our team is the driving part i believe.
oh JPrevost how much does your team practice driving your cars? because that is what hurts our team is the driving part i believe.
We're not like Cornell which interview people to join their team and then have a group that does nothing but practice driving. This is a state school, nothing priss about it.
Last year we dropped from 4th overall to something like 214 because of the crappy wiring of the fuel pump got cut under the seat. -300 points for the pits and that's what happens. We're going to be working on a bunch of little stuff this winter, first things first is running labeled wires!!!
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yeah i hope michigan tech does better this year.
i am actually trying to find a way to get these little cars to run on the massive amounts of snow up here. we get close to 300 inches per year in snow.
i am actually trying to find a way to get these little cars to run on the massive amounts of snow up here. we get close to 300 inches per year in snow.
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Ok ok! while we are at it.. how about this idea
Rig up some sort of computer system inside the car to generate a spherical force field that is impenetrable. So you sit inside the car and all you do is change the coordinates of the force field to travel through space and time.. it would be radical!!
:lala:
Rig up some sort of computer system inside the car to generate a spherical force field that is impenetrable. So you sit inside the car and all you do is change the coordinates of the force field to travel through space and time.. it would be radical!!
:lala:
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Originally posted by JPrevost
BTW, I'm part of the same program. So is my friend at Drexel.
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BTW, I'm part of the same program. So is my friend at Drexel.
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My dream, daily driver thirdgen would have a LS1. All you have to do is port and polish the heads, and get a new cam and your already running low 12's on a engine that gets 24 highway miles per gallon.
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