badgta

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Well i just got done checking cam clearence, and come to find out there was none!!!!!

i'm building a 383 stroker and the damn cam actually hits the rods on certain bores....... i figured there would be tight clearences but not actual contact...........

i figured i'd write this so if anyone else has the same combo they can go ahead and get a small base circle cam......

heres what im using....

scat 9000 series crank for 1 peice seal 3.75 stroke...
scat 4340 i beam rods
speedpro l2491f-30 pistons
and comp xe282-hr cam 08-432-8

i was utterly schocked that the cam hit as much as it did, i even tried retarding the cam 2* but it still hit..........

i hope the small base custom cam will clear......

91L98Z28

for what it's worth. i've got a 400 with scat crank, 5.7" rods, and a 0.900" base circle cam going into my 71. no clearance problems, i think the cam really helps.

i'm suprised that you have more clearance problems than a minor grind on the rod big ends could handle though... i didn't think it was that bad?

badgta

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i wish dude....... i would have had to have about .100 more to clear.....

it didn't hit the base of the cam, but right at the top of the lobe....

the kit is balanced so if i go grinding it will cost to have it done again......

also, these rods use bolts, and grinding the rod will only expose the threads of the bolt... it still won't clear....

if the small base cam dosen't work i'm going to buy a short block and be done with it........

91L98Z28

ouch. definately sounds like you are beyond a bit of grinding work.

For whatever else it's worth to ya. I'm using a crane mechanical roller, 232/240 @ 0.050, 0.525"/0.543" lift, 0.9" base circle, and summit stage II rods.

good luck, let us know if the small base circle cam does it for you!

Biochem

Are you 100% positive the cam is ground correctly? There is a reason people degree them, ya know

Fast3rdGen

i used a standard base circle cam with eagle h-beams and they cleared by a mile. i thought scat rods that used cap screws were storker clearanced? or wait....thats crower.

RB83L69

I did a 434 (4" stroke) with the Eagle H-beams and that same cam, they cleared just fine... it's all in the choice of parts.

I guess you get what you pay for. Cheaper is usually not better.

badgta

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i don't think you can really call em cheap, yeah they were like 230 but there rated to like 700hp or somthing....

for me it's just going to be a street strip thing..... mainly a cruise machine.... so 1,000 $$$ oliver rods are overkill!!!!

i'm exchaging my cam for a small base one from comp, they said it should be ok with it... i hope!!!!

those motors you all spoke of are not a 350..... there much bigger with a whole lot more clearence........

i don't mean to be a smart ***, but when you take a 400 crank and shove it a 350, things are bound to go wrong somewhere.......

i just hope things go ok and everything works, so please pray for me tonight!!! lord knows i can't afford to keep going in debt for this thing anymore!!! lol....

FyreLance

Aww, dangit... I thought someone was having a "Cam Clearance"... as in a sale. Crap!

ViciousZ

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Eagle 6" 4340 Hbeams here, no clearance problems, cost me $375. I picked them out specifically because I knew they would clear. I also have the same scat 9000 crank for a 383.

Quote:

i don't mean to be a smart ***, but when you take a 400 crank and shove it a 350, things are bound to go wrong somewhere.......

People do it all the time without a problem. Just pick your parts carefully, and have all the necessary machinework done.
Good luck. I know how you feel, I'm starting up my new 383/T56 combo this weekend.

ede

scat might not be cheap but they sure ain't top of the line stuff either. like rb said you get what you pay for or was that you get what you deserve, oh well doesn't matter.

badgta

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there always has to be some ******* on here......

ede

you can leave any time you want

novadude

So you are telling me that the crank-to-cam centerline difference is bigger on these other motors, allowing more cam clearance? WTF? Do you know about some special tall deck production small block, or something? Please enlighten me.

Bort62

Wow, You really know the Wrong Buttons to push.

Keep Digging, pretty soon you won't be able to see out of the Hole.

Kenwood

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ICON RACING....LOL

Kenwood

RB83L69

Smooth out bad, you now know what the real deal is... I'm sure you won't make the same mistake twice. Like I said, sometimes the "less expensive" part really isn't the deal it looks like on paper after all. But, those guys have your money already for those chinesium rods, now it's your problem. Some lessons in life come harder than others.

Cut your losses right now, don't sodomize your block and leave yourself with an even bigger bucket of fertilizer than you already have, get the right parts and be done with it.

Since the right rods will fit a 4" stroke with the standard cam, yo can be sure they'll work in a motor as small as yours too.

badgta

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ede: in your dreams!!

bort62: try not to suck up so hard to the mods

kenwood: your intitled to your own opinion, even a childish one at that...

rb83l69: i cant see how they are real cheap, but i guess they do have their drawbacks like the obvious clearence issues..

true, you figure that they would try to go a step further and design them better but none the less they didn't.....

yes they are better rods out there, and yes they cost more, and i would have defanantly bought them if i thought the scat rods would have been a problem, but i have friends that have used them, one building a 383 also, so there has to be a soulution to this problem other that a complete redo of the rotating assembly...

hell flatlander racing sells a 383 kit with everything i bought for like 8 somthing, so obviously there is a light at the end of the tunnel.... i think i'll call them up and see what they have to say....

a73camaro

FWIW - I believe that badgta was bringing up the point that before everything gets balanced, a mock assemble of the engine should be done before getting components balanced.

Before assembly everyting gets measured TWICE, sometimes three times.

I got a few items from Flatlander racing (oops, I ment Dirt Track Thunder, my bad...) via ebay. Forged Prowler 3.75 crank, Eagle rods (5.7), and SpeedPro Hypereutectic pistons. After a few email with the owner of DTT, he was convinced that this combo wouldn't work. Interference problems. Not the case. But I also got a Crower small base circle cam. The crank was "factory balanced" for 6" rods and forged pistons, but an extra $100 of molly metal and labor got it all balanced.

After 30 hours of boating season with this engine, I think that an interference problem would of exposed itself.

If you don't have micrometers, then it is better to get a "matched set". But I'd never assemble an engine without checking the dimensions of everything first.


BTW, all the rotating assembly made of chinesium (LOL at that one) all miced out to +/- 0.0002" or 2 ten thousanths.

ede

little easier than in my dreams, couple of clicks and you're gone

badgta

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it would only show how low you could go........

just because you don't agree isn't no reason to threaten or ban someone.....

if you don't like what i have to say then don't reply.... but instead you have to be childish and show off your mod power....

if you or anyone here has a personal prob with me then pm me, after all isn't that what everyone screams on here thats what it's for???

ede, i never had a prob with you or anyone on here, but your letting somthing between me and someone else that happend a long time ago make you hate me....

everyone knows us icon racing guys aren't icon motorsports and we never claimed to be, it's just a site for guys to post pics, let it go dude........

Kenwood

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HMMM childish opinion...

Let me answer a statement you posed to ed a while back.....

You need to put Racing behind that ICON....
LOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

The reason I DID NOT ADD RACING BEHIND THE ICON***LONG BEFORE YOU EVER THOUGHT TO COPY THE NAME*** is because when People see my CAR I dont have to TELL them its RACING....THEY KNOW IT.....

Then BAD GTA???? WTF...Not even a GTA....
My calendar for next season is Open....Let me Know what date you would like me to come down and UNLEASH the FURY... I mean we could send a FASTER ICON GUY THAN MYSELF Trust me there are plenty of them with faster cars...BUT there is no reason to Have you Lose by 45 car legnths....20 will be plenty to get the point across...


Kenwood
-=ICON MOTORSPORTS=-
1987 "REAL" GTA
20 PSI vortech, TH400 w transbrake, Moser Ford 9", And who cares what else...More than enough to TKO this TOOL...

badgta

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yep.... i was wrong in saying what i did to ed or saying that about icon motorsports.... i sunk to your levels and shouldn't have....

I.COWER.OVER.NOTHING RACING is a completely different thing!!!
but you knew that

also i don't care if you or any of them comes here, because i'm sure you get beat enough at your own track rather than come here and get it.....

i could care less what you or anyone has, or could care less about what they represent....

all our page is, is a place that people can post pics and mods of their cars to show their love of the fbody too.... so why knock them????

you know this could have been solved over ,pm but no, you had to make fun of somthing you knew nothing about.....

you know, icon racing may not be as big and bad as icon motorsports but i'd rather be in a club that has taste and pride in the name than be a part of somthing that has nothing but smart asses in it..........

Bort62

You have no idea, Jackass.

Kenwood

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LOL....Id come back with another smart *** reply but Im just laughing to damn hard....

Wood

JC93Z

Bad GTA *cough laugh cough* I mean bad trans am........"you know, icon racing may not be as big and bad as icon motorsports but i'd rather be in a club that has taste and pride in the name than be a part of somthing that has nothing but smart asses in it"..........Yes you are better fit in a club full of dumbasses.


If you would like I could take my V6 down there and kick your *** all over the track.

JC93V6 camaro...LMAO!!!

badgta

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keep it up...... your just proving my point........... say as you want, do as you want, but like i said above, i'm not sinking to your levels anymore.........

you do realize that when you say what you do about us, your hutring good people that happens to be members of thirdgen too........ ,and i know they haven't done anything to anyone....

like i said to ede above, it's just a site for guys to post pics and mods of their cars, nothing more.......

all of you icon motorsport guys have taken a thread about cam clearence issues and turned it into a personal agenda about a web page that dosen't concern you........

one of these days you will wake up and realize your ages and maybe leave people along ,and stop harassing them....


p.s. i could care less what you think about me or my car, make fun, laugh, and joke to your hearts content.......

bluegrassz

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Ok, Lets see where to start.

I have been here for a while, and I am a member of I.C.O.N. Racing! I dont have a problem with anyone on the board.

Yes, maybe somethings were said in the past between a few of you guys, but no one is here to start a war.

Im not attacking anyone. Most guys on the board have knowledge and help people out. That was one reason I joined thirdgen. And I appreciate all the help you guys have given me.

I was never contacted by ICON Motorsports about joining. I was however asked to join I.C.O.N Racing by a sincere local guy that was just wanting to get other people from Kentucky to start taking pride in there f-bodies. We were just wanting to post our pics and maybe have some gatherings.

We are not trying to step on anyones toes with our name. Im sure that there are other orginizations out there with "ICON" or "Motorsports" or "Racing" in their name. We dont have a problem with that.

I think we should look back at this and remember we are all thirdgen brothers and take pride in what we have accomplished with our cars. We all need to use the knowledge that we have to help others that have a desire to build and restore and "American ICON" the third gen.

thanks for reading.

sincerely
Wayne "Bluegrassz"

badgta

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thats all that matters...... our cars........

JC93Z

Not once or have I ever thought about owning a third gen. So I don't see how I could be "brother". I am not knocking the car just saying. Plus there are a BUNCH of different types of cars in ICON motorsports.

Have you ever wondered why ICON motorsports never contacted you?.......hmmmmmm

Bad...whatever......How are we hurting good people when this is directed towards you??

bluegrassz

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As far as you owning a third gen, that your choice. As far as wonderinding why ICON motorsports never contacted me, Never even crossed my mind.

Badgta was only making a post about cam clearence, not posting to start something.

and besides that I have never spoke to you and here you are calling me a dumbass in your post above. I have never talked bad to or about any of the members of ICON motorsports.

IF some of you would take the time to talk to some of the other members at I.C.O.N RACING besides fighting with badgta, then you may be able to see what we are like and what we are all about.

bluegrassz

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I would like to add:


"The members of the club (ICON Motorsports) do not hold a grudge abainst anyone. We are out to have fun, and help out the other backyard mechanics on the web"

Just wanted to see if this looks familar to you guys. This is posted on your web page. Doesn't seem to be holding true at this point.

Just an observation.

badgta

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IT'S PAINFULLY OBVIOUS THAST YOU AREN'T GOING TO STOP RUNNING YOUR MOUTH TILL I PUT YOU IN YOUR PLACE ONCE AND FOR ALL!!!!!

1: ICON MOTORSPORTS, WE HAVE TRIED EVERY WAY TO GET ALONG WITH YOU PEOPLE BUT YOU KEEP COMING HERE AND RUNNING YOUR MOUTHS ABOUT US AND STARTING BULL CRAP THAT SHOWS THAT YOU HAVE THE BRAIN CAPACITY OF A 2 YEAR OLD!!!!!!

2: AND BORT, IF I'M A JACKASS THERES ONLY ONE REASON FOR IT, YOUR CONTAGIOUS!!!!

3: AND YOU JC93, WHO HAS TO PUT A V6 IN BECAUSE THE 4 CYLINDER WASN'T CUTTING IT!!!!!

4: MY CAR ISN'T A GTA, NEVER SAID IT WAS, THATS JUST MY NAME HERE, TRUST ME, MY TA WILL BUST YOUR *** ANYDAY YOU GET ENOUGH GUTS TO SHOW YOUR FACE HERE.......... AND WHEN YOU DO STUR UP ENOUGH GUTS TO, I'LL SHOW YOU UP INFRONT OF YOUR FRIENDS AND SEND EVERYONE ON HERE A COPY OF IT SO THEY CAN SEE THAT YOU HAVE BEEN DOING NOTHING BUT BLOWING HOT AIR!!!!

I'M TIRED OF GETTING CHASED AROUND BEING HARRASED BY MODS AND OTHER PEOPLE THAT HAVE A GRUDGE AGAINST SOMEONE THAT STANDS UP FOR WHAT THEY BELIVE IN....

I HOPE THAT ONE DAY THIS BS CAN BE RESOLVED AND PEOPLE WILL WAKE UP AND REMEMBER THAT LIKE BLUE SAID, IT'S ABOUT THIRD GENS, THATS WHY IT'S CALLED THIRDGEN.ORG!!!


P.S. IF YOU FEEL THAT YOU MUST SAY ANYTHING ELSE, USE PM THATS WHAT IT'S THERE FOR!!!!!!

JC93Z

BWHAHAHAHA, You are killing me here!!!

4 cylinder....you must be kidding. Is that the best come back you could think of???

I made more horse power then you would ever dream about making on my last motor....which was a LT1 bored 30 over with spray.....producing spanking your *** numbers.

And guess what this motor is I am putting in....a Grand national motor with more mods done to the motor then your whole car.

I am not going to say anything else unless there is another dumb comment like you stated above. And for the record I do know of a 4cylinder that would hand you your *** also. He makes 526 to the front wheels. Dyno proven.

Later, JC93Z

231 TT, Th400, 8 point roll cage, moser 9", etc...........

Chris 96 WS6

Um, I would just like to point out, for the sake of accuracy, that the correct use of the phrase is "I couldn't care less."

"I could care less" is actually saying you care more than the minimum amount.

Just a little pet peeve of mine and I thought it was a perfect time to point it out

Ed Maher

badgta, you started this whole thing and brought all of this on yourself. You received NOTHING but useful and relevant help / commentary on your problem from members of -=ICON=-, and then you chose to attack someone because of it.

Observe:

biochem - did you degree the cam? An improperly ground cam can cause the problems you are having. i see no problem here.

RB - ran the same cam you are in a 4" stroke engine. Thereby establishing that cam shouldn't be a problem in a long stroke engine unless the rods are excessively large.

- at this point you start to get a little defensive at the implication that your stuff was cheap. However RB was dead on with his assessment nonetheless since his better quality rods have no issues. Also observe that other people have put together strokers with no such issues as well, with the common theme being they didn't buy chinesium rods from the lowest bidder in a junk kit they found on sale. It's also at this point that you again begin to show how little you truly know about anything by implying thart crank to cam clearance is somehow greater in a 4" stroke 400 then it is in a 3.75" stroke 350

Ede - then comes in to point out that while scat isn't the cheapest stuff on the block, it is far from top of the line.

You then decided to call him an ******* for pointing out that you were too stupid or poor to buy better parts. How is that his fault?

Everything just degraded from then, but from what i see here my buddies kept things quite calm and for the most part only throwing facts at you. Sure it pisses you off to be reminded of your mistake over and over, BUT the intent of your thread ("i figured i'd write this so if anyone else has the same combo they can go ahead and get a small base circle cam...... ") was to educate people on the right way to do it. All anyone has added that an even better idea is to skip the cheap made in taiwan bottom end parts and stick to forgings on home soil, superior not only in strength and durability, but also in clearance and fit as well.


None of your problems stem from anything having to do with me. Nobody liked you long before you ever tried to have it out with me and the reason why is obvious with your attitude and knowledge level. So why don't you chill out and try to play nice, or just leave. As amusing as your dumb **** can be, personal attacks are not permitted, and as near as i can tell you threw the first stone in this thread.

Kenwood

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"THATS JUST MY NAME HERE, TRUST ME, MY TA WILL BUST YOUR *** ANYDAY YOU GET ENOUGH GUTS TO SHOW YOUR FACE HERE...."

LOL... Dont turn this around...I threw out the offer to you. DONT ACT LIKE YOUR CALLING ME OUT. I wont hesitate to drive up there.....As far as running Jerrys TWIN TURBO v6 Im sure it could be easily arranged.... But Whooping his ***??? LOL

Bust my ***????BWAAAAAAHHHH?? Dont sing it!!! Bring it!!!...Let me know when you get it running...As long as its not too late in the year Ill make the 3 hour drive out into the mountains..Not a Problem for me...I said next year Because I was going to give you the winter to figure out how to BUILD a 383 properly..

Wood

Bort62

Uh Oh Im contagious.


LOL

Outbreak!

ede

well bort i better close this before someone catches something from you

Vader

...or maybe delete it.

It began mildly enough as a warning about using Scat rods in some cases, on some cranks, and with some cams. It degenerated when BADGTA was offended by someone calling his rods "cheap", even though no one knows better than him that he didn't get what he expected from Scat. I'm sure that he now knows to trial fit parts on the next build, but it's too bad that the support he was getting was taken all wrong. It really went south when BADGTA retorted with the name calling, probably out of frustration. And even though it probably was never intended, he now feels that the whole of ICON is out to get him. To the casual observer, it may appear that way in some of the posts. Let's at least hope that we've all learned a little something from this. Remember that text on a page has no inflection nor tone, so it can be very hard to tell when someone is just joking or serious.

I could prune out all the unflattering replies, but it isn't really worth what little content would be left. Maybe after my morning coffee...