TBI Throttle Body Injection discussion and questions. L03/CFI tech and other performance enhancements.

Injector not firing

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 08-13-2011 | 10:33 PM
  #1  
losttheplot's Avatar
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 3
Likes: 0
Injector not firing

Hello.
I have a 1991 Chevy 2500 pick up with a 350 V8.

Only the drivers side fuel injector is spraying fuel so the truck is running on 4 cylinders.

If I un clip the 2 wires from each injector and switch them to the opposite injectors, the passenger side injector fires and the drivers side does not.
The truck again runs on (the other) 4 cylinders.

This makes me assume there is no problem with the fuel delivery system or injectors?

A test light shows 12 volts to the hot side of both injectors.

If I hook the test light to the other side of the injector wires,
and to a + battery terminal,
The test light flashes as I crank the engine. (same strength pulse rate each injector)

If I run the engine with only the 12 volt terminal of the non working injector connected and ground the other terminal (of the same injector) I get a constant spray from the (previously) non working injector.

I hope you can understand my description and hopefully tell me what is causing one of my injectors to not fire?

I am leaning towards changing the ignition control module in the distributor, but dont want to change parts to try and find the problem.

Last edited by losttheplot; 08-13-2011 at 10:35 PM. Reason: more info
Old 08-14-2011 | 01:18 AM
  #2  
UnderCover89TBI's Avatar
Supreme Member

iTrader: (25)
 
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 7,260
Likes: 5
From: Manteca,California. Nor Cal.
Car: SOLD IT. Mopar guy only now.
Engine: gone
Transmission: gone
Axle/Gears: gone
Re: Injector not firing

almost wanna say that the injector connector is faulty.
Old 08-14-2011 | 01:09 PM
  #3  
losttheplot's Avatar
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 3
Likes: 0
Re: Injector not firing

I took the plastic connectors off the injectors and put the wires straight to the injectors. still no better.

when I put 12 volts to the purple/ white wire from the ignition sensor one injector fires the other just wines a little like it wants too but dosent have enough power.

while I had the engine running i jumped the downstream (ground side) terminal of the no working injector from the ground side of the working injector.
This dumped fuel from both injectors and stalled the motor.

I took the jumper wire off and fired it up again and both injectors are working fine



This problem has been intermitant for a few months, then yesterday the problem stayed.
hopefully it does not come back.
Old 08-14-2011 | 02:55 PM
  #4  
UnderCover89TBI's Avatar
Supreme Member

iTrader: (25)
 
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 7,260
Likes: 5
From: Manteca,California. Nor Cal.
Car: SOLD IT. Mopar guy only now.
Engine: gone
Transmission: gone
Axle/Gears: gone
Re: Injector not firing

faulty connection somewhere then, I almost wanna say bad ground but I dont see how that'd only effect one injector. weird.
Old 08-17-2011 | 08:53 AM
  #5  
Schurkey's Avatar
Supreme Member
10 Year Member
 
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 1,544
Likes: 83
Re: Injector not firing

Doesn't the ECM control the injectors by switching the ground on and off?

Faulty ECM or broken wire/bad connection on the ground wire to the non-functioning injector.
Old 08-17-2011 | 08:04 PM
  #6  
losttheplot's Avatar
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 3
Likes: 0
Re: Injector not firing

Yes your right.
I found a wiring diagram on line and the problem is in the blue wire that goes from the injector to the ECM.
The problem has been intermittent, so I now carry a multi meter on the dash in anticipation of the problem re occurring.

When it comes back I will test the blue wire, from the injector to the ECM, for continuity.

If the wire is good, a neighbor has the same truck and I will temporarily put my ECU into his truck to see if it gives the same symptoms.

Thanks.
Colin.
Old 07-12-2014 | 04:18 AM
  #7  
Cam_RS's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Joined: Mar 2014
Posts: 40
Likes: 0
From: GUAM
Car: 91 CAMARO RS
Engine: 5.0 TBI
Transmission: 5-SPEED
Re: Injector not firing

Originally Posted by losttheplot
Yes your right.
I found a wiring diagram on line and the problem is in the blue wire that goes from the injector to the ECM.
The problem has been intermittent, so I now carry a multi meter on the dash in anticipation of the problem re occurring.

When it comes back I will test the blue wire, from the injector to the ECM, for continuity.

If the wire is good, a neighbor has the same truck and I will temporarily put my ECU into his truck to see if it gives the same symptoms.

Thanks.
Colin.
"losttheplot" did you fix it? I have the same issue as yours. My driver side injector does nothing, no power on red wire and no ground on ecm.
Old 07-12-2014 | 07:31 AM
  #8  
RBob's Avatar
Moderator
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Mar 2002
Posts: 18,432
Likes: 227
From: Chasing Electrons
Car: check
Engine: check
Transmission: check
Re: Injector not firing

Originally Posted by Cam_RS
"losttheplot" did you fix it? I have the same issue as yours. My driver side injector does nothing, no power on red wire and no ground on ecm.
Fix the no power to the injector first, as that has no bearing on the ECM. There is a fuse for each injector: INJ1 & INJ2, best place to start.

RBob.
Old 07-17-2014 | 12:29 AM
  #9  
Cam_RS's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Joined: Mar 2014
Posts: 40
Likes: 0
From: GUAM
Car: 91 CAMARO RS
Engine: 5.0 TBI
Transmission: 5-SPEED
Re: Injector not firing

Originally Posted by RBob
Fix the no power to the injector first, as that has no bearing on the ECM. There is a fuse for each injector: INJ1 & INJ2, best place to start.

RBob.
Checked the fuse wires (pink/black) for continuity and both wires were good. Then checked resistance, INJ 1 and INJ 2 both ohmed out 0.9 or 1.0.

No signs of broken wire on injector wire (red) and (white) both have good continuity. I still get no power on injectors and no pulsing at all? how do i fix this?..
Old 07-17-2014 | 01:25 AM
  #10  
Schurkey's Avatar
Supreme Member
10 Year Member
 
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 1,544
Likes: 83
Re: Injector not firing

Originally Posted by Cam_RS
No signs of broken wire on injector wire (red) and (white) both have good continuity. I still get no power on injectors and no pulsing at all? how do i fix this?..
Keep tracing the power wires back until you find power, then fix the break. If this was me, I'd want a GM factory service manual with the wiring diagram(s) as a visual aid. I have bought these service manual sets on eBay for between $20 and $85; the most expensive one is for my '77 Nova and the thing is in shipment to me--I just bought it a few days ago.

It might be that the ECM is providing the ground, but with no power on those wires, the system still doesn't work. It's good advice to fix the power first.
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
GeneralIesrussi
Carburetors
6
06-20-2024 07:21 PM
sahlomonic
Electronics
7
09-20-2015 07:15 PM
webeeZ28
Tech / General Engine
12
09-14-2015 12:00 PM
92rsvortec350
DFI and ECM
2
09-10-2015 10:54 AM
Ranbo108
Tech / General Engine
14
09-09-2015 12:20 PM



Quick Reply: Injector not firing



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:24 AM.