Poor top end pull, idle stumble, trouble with timing
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Car: 92 Jamaican Yellow Firebird
Engine: 305 TBI
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Poor top end pull, idle stumble, trouble with timing
92 Firebird, 305 E, TBI. Complete rebuild with mild comp cam (XR258H). Stock heads, stock TBI, no air pump, gutted converter. Has the stumble on idle as in other threads, but only when warm. No engine codes with the stumble, but getting worse and sometimes dies in gear. Pulling 17 in Hg from front of TBI at base. Have had trouble with the timing due to idling problems. Car starts easily hot and cold. High RPM performance not there. Put new fuel pump in tank (Airtek) but am questioning quality of pump.
Eventually threw codes 15, 32, and 34. Since the rebuild (about 600 miles), I have replaced the coolant sensor, EGR valve, MAP sensor, new distributor, new MSD wires, new MSD coil, new distributor cap, new IAC, new non-adjustable TPS, new TBI gaskets (fuel inj are several years old)in addition to all the new internal parts (even down to new camshaft bearings).
My question is what to check next? I am pulling out what little hair I have left.
Eventually threw codes 15, 32, and 34. Since the rebuild (about 600 miles), I have replaced the coolant sensor, EGR valve, MAP sensor, new distributor, new MSD wires, new MSD coil, new distributor cap, new IAC, new non-adjustable TPS, new TBI gaskets (fuel inj are several years old)in addition to all the new internal parts (even down to new camshaft bearings).
My question is what to check next? I am pulling out what little hair I have left.
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Car: 92 Jamaican Yellow Firebird
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Re: Poor top end pull, idle stumble, trouble with timing
Sorry - forgot I replaced the O2 sensor as well.
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Car: 91 Trans am
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Car: 92 Pontiac Firebird
Engine: 305 TBI L03
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Re: Poor top end pull, idle stumble, trouble with timing
ur problem might be on the cam i guess, the stock tune might not be happy with the aftermarket cam on it.
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Re: Poor top end pull, idle stumble, trouble with timing
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Car: 92 Jamaican Yellow Firebird
Engine: 305 TBI
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Re: Poor top end pull, idle stumble, trouble with timing
The Competition Cams Tech said that I wouldn't have to change the computer program. Now I am concerned. BTW - what is EBL, LSA, and TFS? I am old school on rebuilds (mid 70's engines). My son and I just finished this and it is his car.
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Re: Poor top end pull, idle stumble, trouble with timing
LSA i think its Lobe Separation for the cams, im no expert on that but thats what i think it means or close to that.
TFS i think he means aftermarket heads that come already with small combustion chambers so they are like direct bolt ons for 305s.
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Car: 92 Jamaican Yellow Firebird
Engine: 305 TBI
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Re: Poor top end pull, idle stumble, trouble with timing
Fuel pressure is 13 lbs at the filter. Has anyone ever set the valve lash on these roller cams when it is running? I used to do it all the time in the old days - feeler gauge under the rocker...........(Comp Cams said to just set the lash when cold).
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Car: 91 Trans am
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Re: Poor top end pull, idle stumble, trouble with timing
Only andjusted the rockers with the engine off, as described in the GM service manual. Works wery well.
What did you do about the lift of the new cam on the stock heads?
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What did you do about the lift of the new cam on the stock heads?
This is the best to tune and run a modded TBI engine http://dynamicefi.com/
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Car: 92 Jamaican Yellow Firebird
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Re: Poor top end pull, idle stumble, trouble with timing
Went with new springs that had more force, got rid of rotators, made sure installed height was in spec
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