JPrevost

https://www.thirdgen.org/messgboard/...ML/002113.html
Go there, do the simple interface and use the software.

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, Jon (350 TBI!)
91 Red My website

BahamutRS

Thanks Jon

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1992 Camaro RS (Auto) 5.0L TBI
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Performance mods
NOS (125 HP shot),Dynomax cat-back exhaust, Hedman headers, K & N open element/ X-Stream lid, MSD 6A ignition, MSD 8.5mm plug wires, LT1 camshaft
Soon to be installed:
Performance intake manifold, B & M 2400 RPM stall torque converter, Trans Go shift kit, World Products Torquer heads, Ed Wright Fast Chip

Audio
Sony Xplod CDX-M610 head unit, Pioneer 2-way 4x6 front speakers, Pioneer 3-way 6x9 rear speakers, 12 inch Pioneer VCCS PRO subwoofer, QLogic sealed box, Kicker ZR360 amplifier, Lightning Audio 1 farad capacitor

Other
Macewen White Faced Gauges/Shift overlay, A-pillar gauges (Phantom oil pressure, Air/Fuel), 180* thermostat, Window Tint, chrome valve covers, xenon headlights

JPrevost

Come on, there has to be more people interested in this than just ONE person!!!!

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, Jon (350 TBI!)
91 Red My website

lars92RS

Jon,

He!! YEAH! This software RULES!!! Can't use it though, My friggin Car is put up for the winter. DAM OHIO! Built a cable that I hope works soon.

-Lars

fast_broker

iTrader: (1)

It better work!!!

91Bird305

What does this program do that datamaster doesn't?

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Eric Natzke
91 Firebird 305 TBI
"It Ain't Stock"
http://members.aol.com/j007golden/91firebird.html
For info on certain parts or mods go to the site below
http://members.aol.com/j007golden/modeval.html

Z28 Boy

hey Jon, I just tried your web page and it doesnt work..something about a lack of an "index.htm" page or something...

-Brian

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1991 Camaro RS
GMPP 350 HO crate engine - 454 TBI, MSD ignition, SLP exhaust, everything is new
700R4 - 2,400 stall converter, vette servo, shift kit
My car's webpage - z28boy.cz28.com
President - Central New York F-Body Association
Email - z28boy@twcny.rr.com
AIM - "Z28 Boy"

JPrevost

Yeah, my webpage has been down for a while ever since crosswinds had a server crash and format all their raid hard drives! Ba5tards. Oh well, hopefully this weekend I'll have some time to upload it.

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, Jon (350 TBI!)
91 Red My website

steve8586iroc

Cool!!!! I think I can even use this one. Real nice work.

Thanks Jon, I'll thank the ones who made it too.

[This message has been edited by steve8586iroc (edited October 15, 2001).]

JPrevost

Back to the top. I want everybody to see this post.

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, Jon (350 TBI!)
91 Red My website

JPrevost

Eric, visit the webpage, this is a true windows scanning software that even graphs out BLM at certain rpm and MAP readings!!! This is SUCH a help when tuning an eprom and/or adjusting fuel pressure.
DOWNLOAD THIS AND BUILD IT. IT'S EASY, CHEAP, AND WORTH THE TIME!!!

Tas

soo this is like a piece of plug in scanning equipment or is it to burn chips? If it is a scaner, what is the minum requirememnt of a laptop to run it? Could a apple run it? My sis retired her old Apple laptop, 100MHZ I think. Could I run that Apple program that lets you have windows 95/98 too to do it? If I did would it even have the right output cable? probably not I bet .

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-Tas
'89 Formula WS.6

Got Beach?

JPrevost

Try it. Heck, the software is FREE. Oh yeah, and I do believe the serial out on old apples is exactly the same as the ibm. It's a serial port! Not an "apple serial port."
Just like printers, the parallel port (LPT1) is the SAME thing on the apples, haven't you ever seen the apple/ibm printers back in the day (few years ago ).
This software is free and anybody can make the cable, it takes a few minutes with a few parts (2 resistors, 1 transistor 2N2222A, serial adaptor for a clean job). The pinouts are even listed so there is no research needed. I don't understand why people WOULDN'T do this. Heck, if anybody is interested I can make a bunch of the cables and sell the for like $20 shipped. Let me know through e-mail if you want one.

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, Jon (350 TBI!)
91 Red My website

Chuck!

Damn! This would make tuneing like 40x easier! No more stripping wires on your O2 sensor and running a voltmeter, just plug this in! Man, nice!

And you can even save the data and everything, this is really cool!

Heh, first I gotta figure out what all these things are though

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Chuck Kulchar
1991 RS
Open Element w/K&N
3" cat and Force II cat-back

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92Camaro305TBI

OK.. What all would I need to do to get a read out of this stuff...


Labtop or really long Cable
Freeware
cable that would plug into the computer and the ECU/M??
And then learn how to read and reprogram

Is that was this stuff is for.. So you can burn customer chips??


Or just gather data and then adjust as needed

thanks,,

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94'_SS

Would this work on a 88' TBI Firebird or is the ECM different? On the web page it said 89 and up.

snflupigus

beautiful. i knew somebody would care about the 8746 someday.

JPrevost

It's 89+ TBI, sorry, 88 sucks. BTW, if you have a stock eprom in there now you can just swap in a 8746 with no problem. All the pinouts are the same, at least that's what I've been told. For about $20 for an ecm from a junkyard or even thirdgen resource! You would need the eprom from them as well.
I don't understand why everybody thinks this is for chip burners only. This is software that tells you what your computer is doing! If it isn't working right then you'll be able to pin point the problem without multiple trips to the parts store! It tells you trouble codes, if your lean rich and all that good stuff. Basically, if you have ANY mods done to the car you should think about tuning the fuel pressure! That's a free modification not including the gaskets. It isn't hard and it'll help out a lot.
Basically you look at the BLM (block learn multiplier) and see if it's below or above 128. If it's below 128 then you've given it too much fuel pressure. If it's above then it needs more fuel pressure. Now wasn't that easy

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, Jon (350 TBI!)
91 Red My website

Tas

Awesome. Before I mess with the Mac laptop I wana see if the cable will go to it. What type of cable does it need?

As for IBM/Mac printers, Macs had different cables than IBM. It looked like an IBM connection on a mouse or keyboard, PS/2 I think they call it. My first real computer back in '92 was a Mac.

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-Tas
'89 Formula WS.6

Got Beach?

RS91

I'm Looking into it, but I'm still trying to figure out how to use it... I don't know anything about ALDL stuff....

JoBy

This is all the hardware you need:








And the software can be downloaded from my software page:

www.winaldl.webhop.net



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Jonas Bylund

JPrevost

I just finished making the cable. Here are a few pictures to show you how simple it is. One wires goes to ground, the other goes to the data line.

lars92RS

Hey guys, got mine working!!!! Works like a charm! It's cool as heck to see all the BLMS, knock counts and o2 cross counts. This sofware is setup really well for custom prom burning!!! Works GREAT. BIG PROPS TO joby and ken_73 for this AWESOME contribution to the TBI community.

-lars

fast_broker

iTrader: (1)

Great, LARS!!! Got pix?

92Camaro305TBI

Hey guys looks like I can do it.


Do I get that 2n2222 at like radio shack???


Thanks again,

fast_broker

iTrader: (1)

This is killing me... I'm ready to break out the soldering iron... Not good with it, though.. Not good at all.

Anyone have a Part Number List so we can shop for the pieces at Radio Shack??? That would be helpful. Your cables look so "clean", too. I gotta have one... By Friday!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

92Camaro305TBI

Ok I got the stuff to make the connector

On the transistor...

I have base, emmiter and another one i cant name right now.

Which goes to the ground and which goes to the base and which goes to the other???


Thanks guys...

snflupigus

this is going to revolutionize the tbi world. I cant wait till i have the time and $ to sit down and build mine and check it all out.

fast_broker

iTrader: (1)

explicit directions for "Building the cable" sounds like a good "tech article"!!!

fast_broker

iTrader: (1)

I'm at work but my cable came to my house today. Hopefully my wife will let me play with it tonight. The cable/laptop, that is...

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EDIT: MANY thanks to you-know-who!!!

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lars92RS

Ed, No prob man! I hope everything works well for you.

BTW: I've sent you about 14 messages today

-lars

fast_broker

iTrader: (1)

You can call me at work if you want. I cannot get out of a firewall to my HOTMAIL while in here... SEC rules and such...

JoBy

92Camaro305TBI,

I added Base, Emitter and Collector to the picture.





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Jonas Bylund

fast_broker

iTrader: (1)

wasn't there a 12V+ wire requirement???? In an earlier schematic? Am I losing my mind?

EDIT: Oops, power must come from the laptop at pin 4/9???? Just curious, what is the voltage at that pin as outputted from the laptop?

[This message has been edited by fast_broker (edited October 23, 2001).]

92Camaro305TBI

emittor to Ground/#5 pin

Base to data

Collector to # 2/4 pin


thanks


Wrote it before I saw the Picture..


Thanks again

[This message has been edited by 92Camaro305TBI (edited October 23, 2001).]

JoBy

fast_broker,

Yes, pin 4 is DTR and that is 12 Volt when the port is active.

/ Jonas

fast_broker

iTrader: (1)

JPrevost. Did you get your cable to work???

fast_broker

iTrader: (1)

Thanks, JoBy. Didn't see your reply before. What is DTR?

JoBy

DTR = Data Terminal Ready

fast_broker

iTrader: (1)

So, running this program activates that power supply/pin/port? Just learning...

JoBy

You got it!
When I measured on my laptop DTR was -8 Volts and when I started the program DTR changed to +12V. It is nothing special with my program, any program that access the serial port will do the same. It is possible to turn it off from the program, but then you must write code to do it.

/Jonas

fast_broker

iTrader: (1)

Sweet


I got my cable and when I get the wires figured out (HELP, Lars), I'm gonna have a ball with the program. I cannot wait for the weekend!!!

92Camaro305TBI

I just wish I either had a laptop or my computer closer to the garage so I get a really long cable out to the car


[This message has been edited by 92Camaro305TBI (edited October 24, 2001).]

fast_broker

iTrader: (1)

The battery on my laptop is about to sheet the bed. Only works about 25-30 minutes, now... Pisser. That should be long enough to yield some data.

fast_broker

iTrader: (1)

Looks like it works??? RPM data and other data was wrong and several of the BLM data seemed off, too. But could be my connection/laptop/version. BLM cells seemed to fill in fine.

Can someone explain the 4 BLM/INT data view methods in detail? ie, with words and/or formulas so that I can explicitly know the differences between them???

lars92RS

Ed,

Glad to see your cable works!!!

-Lars

JPrevost

I just found out that you need to have internet explorer installed on the windows machine if you want winaldl to run. Go figure!
Just finished installing IE and now the program works. I'll test out the cable tomorrow evening because right now there are a bunch of people outside that are more heavily intoxicated than me. Time to party even though OSU lost to Penn! Good for Joe P. he deserved the win and I felt good about this loss (cause my team ain't doing so hot).

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, Jon (350 TBI!)
91 Red My website

Nate Hanson

Can somebody here make me a cable? I don't even wanna mess with all that stuff..I'm willing to pay $10 bucks plus shipping for one :-)

Now all i have to do is find a laptop!!

nate

JPrevost

You've got mail

89RS355

Sorry to bardge in! I made the cable and have the software all setup and get no readings. I double checked the cable and it is made right according to the diagram. The software opens up just fine as well. Any idea what I am doing wrong?!? I am great with the mechanical stuff, but sometimes a little slow with this computer stuff.

THANKS! Jerry

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1989 Lt. Blue RS 5-speed
355 crate motor, Compucam 2040,
PST Front suspension,
Hotchkis rear suspension,
EDL T.E.S., 3" Flowmaster
Harwood cowl hood

1994 Black Z28 6-speed
Nothing major, but FUN!