Duke

I haven't seen anyone ru in the 13's yet with a 305 TBI, and if anyone has, please post your exact times and your mods. I'm actually done working on my L03, It's hit a 14.5@98 MPH, but it cost me enough money to make a 350 run 12's. Here's what it took me to do that:
LT-1 cam, ported and polished TPI heads (305 TPI heads), SLP 1 5/8" headers, all the TBI mods I could do, including 350 injectors and a AFPR, Edelbrock Performer TBI intake, MSD 6-AL, MSD Blaster GM coil, 12 degrees of base timing but only with 101 octane Turbo Blue, open element with flat base and no spacer ring, Nitto 275/50/15 DR's, 3.08 posi, Lake Wood LCA's, Edelbrock panhard rod, Lake Wood 50/50 drag shocks in the rear, 3" exhaust with no cat, Flowmaster (hey, it was cheap and it sounds nice), B&M Ripper shifter, Zoom Performance clutch, and I think I listed everything.

With all those mods, the damn thing should run 13's !

Tas

get a single plane intake and better gears.

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-Tas
'89 Formula WS-6

305, TBI, 700R4, P.A.W. 14x3 open element with K&N, Milodon 160* thermo, functional Formula hood, cross-flow Flowmaster, '99z28 rear pipes and tips, Hooker 1-5/8" 50 state legal headers, Dynomax 3" I pipe (PN 44063 and 43248)
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ZRATED

Yup, you need a good set of 3.42 or 3.73 to wake up your car.

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One Tight Teal green 91 RS (my first car
All Rustangs suck!!!!
5.0 TBI with Auto trans
Z-28 wheels
K&n with dual snorkel intake
Tx Smog Pump Delete option
Valve cover breather
Rapid Fire plugs with Accel ignition wires,coil,cap and rotor
Flowtech headers with flowmaster and Half way cutout
B&M shift kit with trans cooler and hurst hotshift fulid
Hypertech thermomaster chip
96 LT1 cam with
New liffters and timing chain
All the free TBI mods

Kevin91Z

iTrader: (1)

There arent very many 350 TBI's in the 13's, let alone 305 TBI's...

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1991 Camaro Z28
5.7L 5-Speed (originally 305)
317 RWHP, 418 RWTQ
13.23 @ 107.62 MPH
Southern California
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Tas

no shet, 305 TBIers are lucky to go low 14s.

91Bird305

Duke, sorry I didn't get a chance to see ya at the M6 event. I saw u race but never had the chance to say whats up and get a closer look at ur engine and car. Did u see my white bird? 3rdgen should stick together ya know? Me,u,Chris J and Brad and whoever that other guy was in the maroon IROC should have parked together
And do u think u will be going to SLP Day oct. 20th?
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Eric Natzke
91 Firebird 305 TBI
"It Ain't Stock"
http://members.aol.com/j007golden/91firebird.html
For info on certain parts or mods go to the site below
http://members.aol.com/j007golden/modeval.html

[This message has been edited by 91Bird305 (edited October 08, 2001).]

Pablo

iTrader: (1)

98 mph! wow thats impressive, and in my opinion you have barely touched the motor, you are using practically all stock parts for heavens sake!
I agree with Tas 100%

grr *me needs my car and a few hours of wrenching*

NJ SPEEDER

the problem with your time is obviously hook. 98mph shoudl be way intot he 13's, like 13.6 or so. that is where you need to do your work.
you need to work on you launch rpm prolly. also did you do anything to the front suspension? i see you have some good parts listed for the rear. if you drop one endlink off your front sway bar when you go to the track you will see a big gain.
don't confuse power and et's. et is about hook and gear, mph is about power. you have a very strong mph, time to go looking for some hook.

later
tim

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JPrevost

Maybe even a diet . 100lbs shed ~ .1s in the 1/4

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, Jon (350 TBI!)
91 Red My website

Kyle F

I think My borthers 305 is gfoing to be close.
Goes by Brian Felts on here.
Hes got a Hooy TB, Eldelbrock intake, Vortec heads, LT1 Cam, fresh rebuild, headers, Full ignition, 3.73's, LCAs, Pan hard rod and on 16" 98 Z rims. If hes not in the 13's it will be time for a 50HP shot of the old laughing gas

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89 Trans Am Turbo 3.8L All stock 43,000 miles #1053 of 1555

Past Thirdgen:
86 Trans Am w/ built 355TPI with SLP goodies and too much other stuff to List. One sweet *** car, wish I would have had a good enough Job to pay insurance on three cars so I could keep it, but for a 89 Turbo Trans Am w/ Low miles, I think I made the right choice!

NJ SPEEDER

HEY!!!! i resemble that remark!!!!




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camaroracer1992

hey what are you guys talking about that like no 305 tbis get into 13's? you guys obviously have not read the boards. i dont mean to brag but i run 13.1's at 102.86 mph and that is still on a stock cam and heads. me and my boy NJSPEEDER have tons of slips to show our times and with what just a little bit of work can do. when i bought my camaro i got bored with it and i wanted to sell it like 3 months after i got is but here i am 3 yrs later and i am glad as hell that i kept it because of all the fun i would be missing. anyway email me if you have any questions, but before you do i am not going to be giving out my secret recipe until i hit the high 12 second bracket then shortly after i am switching over to a 500 hp 355. anyway just wanted to help the little 305 out and show that it can be done.

BahamutRS

With all that stuff in my sig I have listed as installed MINUS the LT1 camshaft I ran a best of 15.9@87mph, without spraying the nitrous... :P

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1992 Camaro RS (Auto) 5.0L TBI
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Performance mods
NOS (125 HP shot)
Dynomax cat-back exhaust
Hedman headers
K & N open element/ X-Stream lid
MSD 6A ignition
MSD 8.5mm plug wires
LT1 camshaft
Soon to be installed:
Edelbrock intake manifold
B & M 2400 RPM stall torque converter
Trans Go shift kit
World Products Torquer heads

Audio
Sony Xplod CDX-M610 head unit
Pioneer 2-way 4x6 front speakers
Pioneer 3-way 6x9 rear speakers
12 inch Pioneer VCCS PRO subwoofer
QLogic sealed box
Kicker ZR360 amplifier
Lightning Audio 1 farad capacitor

Other
Macewen White Faced Gauges/Shift overlay
A-pillar gauges (Phantom oil pressure, Air/Fuel)
180* thermostat
Window Tint

camaroracer1992

bahamut rs no 13's on NOS? i would say you'd be able to do that with a good set of slicks and a nice burn wouldnt you?

Zac's92

I ran 13's. A 13.62 at 107 to be exact and I just got done setting up a set of 3.73's which should help emensely.

Zac Spalding

NJ SPEEDER

wow! have i found the land of no hook. only a 13 @ 107mph??? a 14 @ 98mph?????
i don't know if i have talked about the importance of traction here before, but now seems like a good time to start.
no matter how much power you have or what mods you have done, if you son't hook, you lose!
that is how i beat up on 4th gens at traffic lights. i can dead hook at anytime, street or strip. i will get the same low 1.9 60' i do at the track.
some hook is cheap too. unhook one endlink from your front sway bar and the front will come up more. relocate your battery to the rear and there will be less front weight on the vehicle which allows it to start moving easier. put 45-55psi in those front tires(yes, this is safe for short periods of time, like while you are at the track) this lets the car roll easier.
hope this helps.

later
tim

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91Bird305

And Blah blah blah. Guys...come on. You are doing sh*t to your cars that u shouldn't have to. I just got back from a GM Event and all we had to do was put 35psi in the front tires and 28psi in the rear and we were pulling 1.7-1.9 60' on street tires! And these are slightly modified LT1's (early models) running 13.5-13.8's. You don't need to go thru the trouble of relocating ur battery, unhooking ur front sway bar and all these other tricks. If a modified LT1 can pull 1.7-1.9 60' times on street tires set at 28psi then I know our 305's can do just as good. Maybe its just the track I am running at though.

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Eric Natzke
91 Firebird 305 TBI
"It Ain't Stock"
http://members.aol.com/j007golden/91firebird.html
For info on certain parts or mods go to the site below
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cobrakiller1989

iTrader: (1)

I have to hear this setup...A 107 mph run on a TBI 305? There has to be some serious power adders and weight loss involved with this. I am not saying that you are lying...I would just like some more info

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*1989 RS
*Red, Daytona Turbo fiberglass hood, chrome 16x8 IROC wheels
*355 CID
*TPI ported plenum, SLP siamesed runners, Edelbrock high flow intake
*Edelbrock TES Headers (getting SLP 1 3/4)
*Richmond 3.73, Auburn Posi
*Modded 700-R4, 2800 stall converter

Duke

LOL, I almost forgot I put this topic up

Eric, I saw your car at M6, lookin good. That other guy in the maroon 3rd gen was my friend Denny. That car is a 89 IROC convertable with a dead stock 305 TPI and an auto, the only mod it has is a Flowmaster muffler. He ran 15.5's and won the bracket race, pretty sweet.

My car was full of bugs that day (problems, not insects). My tranny wouldn't shift without grinding, I couldn't hook my bald Nitto's because I couldn't heat them up, and there was alot of other little things. My best run at M6 was a 15.5 at 88MPH, but my best MPH was a 95. I won't be racing anymore this year, but I'll be back at M7 running 11's. Stop laughing.

Thanks for all the replies!

91Bird305

That sucks about ur car. I thought ur RS should have been in mid 14's but I saw it running 15's so I thought it might not have been u. I liked ur friend's IROC-Z. Why aren't u gonna go to SLP Day?

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Eric Natzke
91 Firebird 305 TBI
"It Ain't Stock"
http://members.aol.com/j007golden/91firebird.html
For info on certain parts or mods go to the site below
http://members.aol.com/j007golden/modeval.html

Duke

One word. Work.

NJ SPEEDER

you seem to have for gotten that the front suspension in a 4th gen is revised from ours. it can better maintain lateral support for cornering and still allow weight transfer for drag racing. they also have the advantage of an 80% stiffer chassis than we have(a 4th gen convertable is just as stiff as a 3rd gen hard top) which helps to keep load centered at launch.
that is hardly a fair comparison when it boils right down to it. we don't have all the tech nology that they do, so short of a few little tricks or running slicks all the time it is hard to launch as well as they do.

later
tim



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91 Camaro RS-LO3,Auto
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91Bird305

Blah Blah, buy slicks then, end of story.

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Eric Natzke
91 Firebird 305 TBI
"It Ain't Stock"
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For info on certain parts or mods go to the site below
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un4givin89

When someone tells me how to run low 13s with a 305 TBI let me know. **** i had to use 175NOS just to get decent times.

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[This message has been edited by un4givin89 (edited October 10, 2001).]

JPrevost

If you want to run 13's there is the low down.
1. Expensive heads like AFR that have small cc.
2. Performance intake with all ultimate TBI mods and adjustable fuel pressure with 55 injectors (from a 350)
3. Full exhaust like edelbrock TES or SLP
4. 1.6 rockers and or a cam swap like the Lt1
5. BEEFY suspension mods like torque arm, LCA, SFC, panhard, and LCA relocation brackets
6. Slicks!
Oh yeah, and loose the weight. Get a fiberglass hood, ditch the AC and heater stuff, ditch the air pump.
This combo will get you into the low 14's as Tim has proven and that is with a stock Lo3 cam. Do the Lt1 cam swap and you should be in the high 13's with no juice.
Spray a 100 shot and smoke the LS1's

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, Jon (350 TBI!)
91 Red My website

camaroracer1992

jprevost I didnt even do a cam swap or heads and my camaro is running 13.1's and I still dont have full traction. My 60's are also 1.7's on the stock torque convertor and the ls 1's that run at Maple Grove raceway are only running like 13.7's I have only seen a moded camaro ss so it goes to show you with the right tuning that you can get one to run equal with an ls1 or better. And bny the way my car has no weight reduction mods except for the insulation removed under the carpet.

1989camarorsrs

iTrader: (-1)

so what do u have under there a supercharger or something or just a huge spray of nos

Kyle F

SOmehow this guy is the only one to figure out how to make the TBI fast... and he wont share.
I dunno man sounds like a fish to me.

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89 Trans Am Turbo 3.8L All stock 43,000 miles #1053 of 1555

Past Thirdgen:
86 Trans Am w/ built 355TPI with SLP goodies and too much other stuff to List. One sweet *** car, wish I would have had a good enough Job to pay insurance on three cars so I could keep it, but for a 89 Turbo Trans Am w/ Low miles, I think I made the right choice!

JPrevost

Oh yeah, almost forgot, 3.73 gears and posi will help a LOT for the 60' which will help down at the other end of the 1/4
He's spraying N2o.
I think it's cool as **** to see an Lo3 with few mods running in the low 13's with just N2o. Are you SURE that's only a 150 shot?
Maybe my math is wrong but 170+150 is 320hp and that doesn't exactly make low 13's unless you have killer suspension setup and GOBS of traction, didn't you say it's running with a stock tcc?!!?!?! Man I'm confused to all hell but I believe him, I just think somebody ported his N2o spray plate .
Goes to show, $500 and mega traction is all you need to get into the 13's with a 305 TBI but do it N/a and THEN spray and you've got something special .

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, Jon (350 TBI!)
91 Red My website

camaroracer1992

ye i am running a stock convertor and i run regularly at maple grove and plus i have time slips to show my results.i am only running a NOS tbi kit thats an off the shelf unit. anybody that thinks that i am lying is just going to think that so i dont care. and as i have said before i am not telling my combo because nobody told me what to do. if you want to know its like 50 bucks for a print out.

camaroracer1992

oh and by the way i am running at maple grove on oct 20th a saturday so if you want to come and see it then come if youre interested. i believe NJSPEEDER is going to be there too.

Tas

$50 because noone helped you?

scauffiel

WELL THAT'S THE SPIRIT!! WOOHOOHOO!! Welcome aboard brother! Man, am I glad you showed up. Guess you're just here to leech information from everyone else then, huh? I mean, since "no one told you what to do" why should you contribute in any way? I agree. Everyone should be that way. That's what this type of message board is for, so a bunch of fellow car enthusiasts can get together and hoard their information. Muhuhahahaha! YES! YOU ROCK!

Noted.

Steve


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Steve's Trans Am Temple

camaroracer1992

by no means am i here toLEECH information from others. before i came onto the thirdgen.org scene i was already running very low 15's and from there i did some mods. i had almost all my stuff done to my car by then. people buy greg mariatti's 11 second f body book so y shouldnt i sell my recipe? anyway if youre jealous or skeptical then by all means come to maple grove raceway when i am running it next saturday. youre more than welcome to join.

scauffiel

Well, then why are you here? If you're not here to share the wealth, and you're not here to leech... To brag? Boast? Show off? Laugh at the little people? Why? Maybe you're here to learn about punctuation and capitalization - that must be it.

Is Greg M. with his eleven second book a member that posts here? I wasn't aware...

I am by no means jealous or skeptical of what you claim. I flat out don't care. Just think it's kind of a sh!ttie attitude - maybe it's just me.

S.

91Bird305

I hate this f-cker. Lets boot his a$$.

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Eric Natzke
91 Firebird 305 TBI
"It Ain't Stock"
http://members.aol.com/j007golden/91firebird.html
For info on certain parts or mods go to the site below
http://members.aol.com/j007golden/modeval.html

camaroracer1992

Hey listen guys, I am running low 13's and until I hit the high 12 second mark I will not give up my combination. As for now can you just please leave me alone if you do not intend to appreciate the car, or even better come at see it in action to end the skepticism. And as for some people on here (you know who you are) if you didnt care so much about my combo then you obviously wouldnt be bitching and moaning stating you dont care.

vortecfcar

they are probably just tired of you saying that you run low 13s and WONT TELL. There isnt really a place for people who wont share thier setups or help out others on the board. It get annoying hearing how someone else is faster than you but wont say why. Its not like youre gonna hustle any of us. You dont see me prancing around saying how my sht is the best and everyone should pay me to learn what my setup is.

On the topic of traction...NJ speeder if you think that a 13 at 107 is bad traction you should see what a 12.5 at 117 looks like. I feel like a supra owner. I need a torque arm cause these BFGs just arent cutting it.

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91 RS W/carbed 350, Vortec heads, performer rpm, Comp cams Xtreme energy 224/230 duration and .477/.480 lift. BFG Drag radials. 3.42 posi,Corvette servoed 700r4, 3000rpm stall converter. Edelbrock TES, 3inch cat, flowmaster with single 2.5 inch exit.
Best time yet to come
13.0 @ 107- N/A
12.5@ 117- 100HP Nitrous

This is a Pic of my car in race trim www.tbns.net/billyjay/camero.jpg

Yes I know how to spell camaro- so dont ask. I didnt make the link

Tas

HAHAHA. Well, everyone said my sig was too long. How 'bout this one.

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-Tas
'89 Formula WS.6
Mods and times:
TOP SECRET

Got Beach?

Tas

I could tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.

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-Tas
'89 Formula WS.6
Mods and times:
TOP SECRET

Got Beach?

cobrakiller1989

iTrader: (1)

I have seen a list of every last detail of camaroracer's mods. It is definitely a low 13 second recipe. Maybe he wants his car to be different from everyone elses and doest want all of you guys hawking off of his setup and doing the same stuff.

As far as booting him off of the site...maybe we should boot all of the bullsheeters off of this site who "say" they run times that are unbeleivable and haev never been to the track to prove anything. You guys have your heads way up your ***** and maybe if you asked nice he would tell you his setup, instead of flaming him.

*in the words of jim rome* "im out"

EDIT: btw, the guy that said he was running a 14.0 stock didnt get this much crap.

"rack him"

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*1989 RS
*Red, Daytona Turbo fiberglass hood, chrome 16x8 IROC wheels
*355 CID
*TPI ported plenum, SLP siamesed runners, Edelbrock high flow intake
*Edelbrock TES Headers (getting SLP 1 3/4)
*Richmond 3.73, Auburn Posi
*Modded 700-R4, 2800 stall converter

[This message has been edited by cobrakiller1989 (edited October 11, 2001).]

Tas

ask nice? I help all the time whatever, however, whoever I can. Look at all my number of posts. If someone wants to be selfish then this is not the place to be. Period.

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-Tas
'89 Formula WS.6
Mods and times:
TOP SECRET

Got Beach?


[This message has been edited by Tas (edited October 11, 2001).]

Kyle F

I must agree, I dont doubt that an Lo3 on N2O can run low 13's. I just question if he hasn't changed the Torque converter. Hasn'r deviated from the stock suspensionm that much. Is still runnin stock cam and heads??? I think he said that some where to.
Then where in the hell do you get the extra power from. I am sory but a 150hp shot, 3.73 gears, a change to tubular suspension stuff and a few free mods does not equal low 13's
I think its just really $hitty not to share.
Then for him to say that nobody on here has helped him and that he had all of it done before he got here really makes me mad.
Thats just stupid talk from someone who has to be better than everyone else. I think he is afraid of a little cometetion so he keeps what he has actually done a secret.
You know on the other board I frequent one member who put o Grand National in to the high 10s with just bolt onn. Than means no head swap or cam or touch anything in the bottom end, invited everyone to com watch him run and after he posted his time, he let them do a complete tear down of his motor.
YOu know what.... he had done it, but atleast he shared and as a matter of fact its now step by step in the recipes page on that site.
I share everything, personally thats what I am here for. I want all the F-bodies to be as fast as they can no matter what engine they have in them. Personal creation has a lot to do with that, but people should remember that imatation is the highest form of flattery.
I guess some people just can't stand to not be in the limelight all the time.
My guess is he has a 350 block with 350 heads.

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89 Trans Am Turbo 3.8L All stock 43,000 miles #1053 of 1555

Past Thirdgen:
86 Trans Am w/ built 355TPI with SLP goodies and too much other stuff to List. One sweet *** car, wish I would have had a good enough Job to pay insurance on three cars so I could keep it, but for a 89 Turbo Trans Am w/ Low miles, I think I made the right choice!

scauffiel

Gee, can you say that just one more time? Not sure everyone's heard you yet.

Quote:

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">and until I hit the high 12 second mark I will not give up my combination.

Well, that's your perogative. I just wanted to know why you're here at all surrounded by, errr, what was it? us "whiney bitches" - if you already know it all.

Quote:

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">As for now can you just please leave me alone if you do not intend to appreciate the car, or even better come at see it in action to end the skepticism. .

YOU came here to boast about how great you are, and now you want to be left alone? Sheesh. Whatever you say, big man.

Quote:

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">And as for some people on here (you know who you are) if you didnt care so much about my combo then you obviously wouldnt be bitching and moaning stating you dont care.

Well, I tell you what, the minute I step down from my carb'd 388 to your "special sauce" you can give me crap. Until then you can pack sand. You are the one that shows up here, CROWS about how great you and your special combo is, damn near demand idolatry, then cries when people give you crap. It's all because of you, so enjoy. Guys like Tas, and Jon (JPrevost) and many others here have put more time into helping people they don't know than you can imagine. Not that you can imagine helping someone you don't know - that much is obvious. You're acting the petulant child here.

Quote:

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">I have seen a list of every last detail of camaroracer's mods. It is definitely a low 13 second recipe.

Uhhh, did YOU pay fifty bucks to see it? "Recipe?" Did you see a timeslip? Have you seen it run? Recipe??

Quote:

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Maybe he wants his car to be different from everyone elses and doest want all of you guys hawking off of his setup and doing the same stuff.

Yeah, then maybe he should shut the hell up and not expect people to be glad to see him.

Quote:

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">You guys have your heads way up your ***** and maybe if you asked nice he would tell you his setup, instead of flaming him.

Speaking only for myself, I couldn't give a crap. Well, actually I could - I had a large meal tonight and I'd do it directly on anything else he has to say. Pretty pathetic that he comes here for hero worship - but really has nothing to offer. No one has been enlightened by anything he put out. Nobody has had a light bulb turned on to a fresh idea. There's no "camaroracer" way of looking at things - unless it's through the veil of selfishness. Well said Tas and Kyle - just another selfish wannabee.

S.

If you need some help... http://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=idolatry

NJ SPEEDER

you are hardly someone to talk. every body should just get back to the topic.
running 13's is easy i think, actually i know now that i have made all the mistakes.

1. posi with 3.73 or 4.11 gears, i think 3.73 is a better all arond gear, 4.11's will be a little quicker
2. edelbrock performer tbi or holley tbi street dominator intake.
3. ultimate tbi mods
4. aldl convertor lock up switch
5. 14x3 flat base open element
6. lower control arm relocation bracklets
7. boxed stock lower control arms
8. billet servo and stronger accumulator spring for tranny.
9. a tourque convertor from a 4cyl s-10
10. a full exhaust(1 5/8 headers, 3inch collector, 3inch high flow cat, 3inch single cat back)
11. unhook one of your endlinks from the front sway bar when you are at the track.
12. remove your jack and spare
13. 1.6 rocker arms or better and cheaper, find a used LT1 cam.
14. buy good tires, drag tirees aren't necessary but would help. cooper cobras will work nicely.
15. run with a half tank of gas or less
16. get all the junk out of your car, a good cleaning will lighten a car more than you think.
17. stage4 as shallow as possible
18. a new chip will get you the most out of the new engine combo and there are a few guys around that will help you on the cheap, isn't that right jprevost
19. pull the rear seats out, it looks racey and gets about 35lbs out of the car in only 15mins.
20. keep the car tuned up and oil changes regular to keep the power up

when i started running in the 14.5's my car weighed almost 3600lbs with only a half tank of gas. the was with a blown tranny, the wrong torque convertor, a bad tune up, a stock chip, the wrong rear gear, and a full road racing suspension on road racing tires.
from 7 years of messing with this car the biggest thing i have learned is to keep it all really simple, play your engine theory like it is an undersized carb motor adn go for 5 cheap and easy mods before you spend a lot of money on any one thing.

i hope this helps every body.

later
tim




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91 Camaro RS-LO3,Auto
New Times Coming Soon!
Check Out The East Coast F-Body Nationals Home Page
www.geocities.com/njspeeder
My MAFB.ORG Home Page
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NJ SPEEDER

i once saw an import tun at a NIRA race, he went 11.5 @ 140, it was pathetic. just goes to show what wrong wheel drive will get ya.

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tim



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TonyC

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Lets say business X invents a great new toy that only costs $2.00 to make and business X goes around and tells everyone of its accomplishments. Business Y is in the same toy industry but it just can't make a good toy with the same relative materials. Business X sells its toy recipe to everyone who wants it for $1.00 a toy. Business Y is angry, it wants good toys.

I just heard that story somewhere, anyhoo, congrats to all on the times, sorry about the novel

JPrevost

I too am a little annoyed with camaroracer1992's attitude to everybody on the board.
He is a nice guy no doubt, but there is a reason for this board, and it was NOT to brag.
Nobody is doubting you're times but we would all like to know how you did it.
Maybe this is out of line but if I went low 13's with a 305 TBI and could only prove it to a few people then I would most definitely tell every other 305 TBI guy what to do. That way when people all over the place are "fast" with the 305 TBI then it's proof and I would feel SO GOOD.
Maybe that's just me, I don't know. Personally I'm in the business to not make money on my hobbies (NJ Speeder). I like helping others and camaroracer, you are not looking very good.
I can honestly say I don't know why you're being so quiet about it, there is no real grounds.
I'm not saying you don't help! Heck, you even said it, N2o makes you fast....but everybody knows that. It's when you say N2o and a few other mods get you low 13's....now THAT is misleading and uncalled for. Now if you can't see where all of us are coming from then I definitely think we need to chat on AIM.
I thought it was funny and kind of cool at first how you were keeping everything secret. I even remember when you "spilled" the fact that you were using N2o because nobody believed you ran in the 13's even.
Now to get back on topic, it WILL cost money to go fast. Nothing is free BUT you can do it for less than you think. Nobody says you need to buy NEW slicks, nobody says you need to buy a 2200stall converter NEW, you can get an s10 tcc for less than you think, you can also pick up N2o kits for pretty cheap. You can do a lot of other things yourself like box the panhard and LCA, you can install your own stuff and things become very doable.
Tim, you had better get that piece into the 13's NA or I'm going to have a FUN time proving to you that an eprom is your only good solution

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brodyscamaro

How many buyers have you had. 0. Thats what I thought stick that combo list right up your ***

camaroracer1992

I have never seen such a big group of whining men in all of my life. Do you want to know hw to run low 13's on a 305 tbi? You need lots of power and traction. I was only replying to that guys post to show that it can be done and it had nothing to do with what I did or how I got there. OK?