Gen X Mar0

iTrader: (1)

I am replacing my stock crap with an open element but i am interested what is the right setup for our cars..obviously i have tbi...i want to incorporate the new k&n xtreme top since right now my cowl is useless...since i have a cowl is a taller air filter better? i am looking into one a these setups..not sure which would be best..whadda ya think?
http://www.knfilters.com/X-stream.htm scroll down to xtreme assemblies...
what do u think would work best on my car...there aint no aftermarket stuff in the way and i'm sure a STB in the future isnt gonna conflict but maybe? have to go look at my engine bay...so whadda ya think..feedback as always is well apreciated...


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Tas

it will work but its a waste of money.
14x3 K&N is more than enough. the TBI strut tower brace doesn't go over the air cleaner, it goes around. Get the tallest 14xwhatever that fits under your cowl hood.

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-Tas
'89 Formula WS-6

305, TBI, auto, 14x3 chrome flat based open element with K&N, Milodon 160* thermo, functional Formula hood, cross-flow Flowmaster, '99z28 rear pipes and tips....

To be installed eventually far far far into the future: Yours if the price is right and I don't have to ship :
Hooker 1-5/8" 50 state legal headers, Dynomax 3" I pipe (PN 44063 and 43248), Catco 3" cat, and injector spacer.

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Gen X Mar0

iTrader: (1)

your saying xstream top is waste of money right? well heres some more dumb questions for ya....whats the flang? (i am thinking in the thing u screw the wingnut to and if so is there a size i should be choosing in particular?)

also what is the diff between the vent and drop base?

based on what i have gathered i am thinking the part # 66-3010 is right for me...whadda ya think?

Tas

the thing you screw the wingnut to is the carb stud. A stud is like a bolt but there is no head on it. Its just one long threaded piece of metal. You will need to replace it depending on the type of open element you get. My 14x3 needed one but my friends, with the flatter top, didn't. You want a non drop base so the air has a straight shot to the TBI. Ortherwise you will use the stock spacer just to have a drop base. Why lift a drop base? just make the f'n thing flat.

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-Tas
'89 Formula WS-6

305, TBI, auto, 14x3 chrome flat based open element with K&N, Milodon 160* thermo, functional Formula hood, cross-flow Flowmaster, '99z28 rear pipes and tips....

To be installed eventually far far far into the future: Yours if the price is right and I don't have to ship :
Hooker 1-5/8" 50 state legal headers, Dynomax 3" I pipe (PN 44063 and 43248), Catco 3" cat, and injector spacer.

Super GRK_Taz World
F-Body Dual Exaust
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AOL IM: superGRtaz

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Gen X Mar0

iTrader: (1)

what is this flange they are talkign about? all i want is a non drop based 14" element with a 4" tall filter correct? if u dont mind finding me a link to this i would apreciate it..thanks

Tas

I didn't see anything about a flange. http://store.summitracing.com/partde...585&part=17926 Get this generic chrome open element, figure out what size filter you want oncee the paper runs out and get a K&N for it. thats what I did. I started with a 14x2.25" open element, found the tallest paper one I could fit, then I got a k&n. Most auto part stores have generic chrome ones. That way you can see if it works and return it if you need to all in 1 day.

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-Tas
'89 Formula WS-6

305, TBI, auto, 14x3 chrome flat based open element with K&N, Milodon 160* thermo, functional Formula hood, cross-flow Flowmaster, '99z28 rear pipes and tips....

To be installed eventually far far far into the future: Yours if the price is right and I don't have to ship :
Hooker 1-5/8" 50 state legal headers, Dynomax 3" I pipe (PN 44063 and 43248), Catco 3" cat, and injector spacer.

Super GRK_Taz World
F-Body Dual Exaust
EFI & Intake Options
AOL IM: superGRtaz

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Gen X Mar0

iTrader: (1)

well this is what i was looking at.. http://www.jegs.com/cgi-bin/ncommerc...6&lastcat=2631 ..

i am thinking about part #599-60-1290 is what u mean? and having the room cause of the cowl would it be worth th $5 extra and just get the 5"? part #599-60-1300?
thanks again..i am looking to get the element and filter now so figured that was the way to go..

p.s. why is the group of 14" drop element thats drop only 13/16" so much more? oh well...preciate the help guys...its Saturday night!!!!. time to go out!!



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Tas

"drops filter 1-1/4'' below carburetor flange" = bad. that's all I'm gonna say.

snflupigus

o no, not a 1/4 inch, that will give up like. 5cfm. hehe, open el, drop or nondrop. high flow filter. and dont spend too much money on these small things. extreme lid will add flow, but you wont need it unless your engine needs like 1000cfm. which im sure it doesnt.

Tas

1-1/4" = one and 1/4 inch drop

firbird

why get a drop base? because it was cheap and was decent looking at a local store , way i figure it if you have a lo3 and have not done any thing too it other than a few cheep modifications to it, it does not matter what kind of open element as long as you dont keep your stock intake, it is breathing more than good enough. and that extreme is a waste of time and money inless you have 1000 cfm like mentioned above.

NJ SPEEDER

that is wrong dude. anything that allows the engine to more easily draw air is a long term benefit to the car. i am not gonna lie and say that there will be some huge gain in power. but there will be a difference in the way the car runs and drives. i have tested my car with and with out an air filter at the track, it does make a slight gain in mph and a little better et. the thing to conside is that the filter i took off was a 14x4 K&N.
running the tallest filter you can fit with an extreme flow top is a good idea. just use a flat base to get the most out of it.

later
tim



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Tas

dude he's already gonna have a 14x5. $100+ for that thing is not worth it. He can do better things with that money. Like a Posi, aluminm driveshaft or a couple dozen other things.

edit: so its $55 ay? not too bad.. I suppose..
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-Tas
'89 Formula WS-6

305, TBI, auto, 14x3 chrome flat based open element with K&N, Milodon 160* thermo, functional Formula hood, cross-flow Flowmaster, '99z28 rear pipes and tips....

To be installed eventually far far far into the future: Yours if the price is right and I don't have to ship :
Hooker 1-5/8" 50 state legal headers, Dynomax 3" I pipe (PN 44063 and 43248), Catco 3" cat, and injector spacer.

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lonsal

iTrader: (2)

I disagree that the open top is a waste of money. I am using another brand (S&B) that you may want to consider as well. I had a K&N Xtreme Flow filter top on order, then back-ordered forever. Only to later discover they had withdrawn it from the market due to problems with the top collapsing. I cancelled my order and bought the S&B. Now K&N has fixed their goof and returned to the market. Whichever brand you chose IMO the extra surface area is worthwhile. Good luck, Lon. A link to a picture of my open element filter.
http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/topdownso...r=/My%2bPhotos %26.src=ph%26.view=t

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JPrevost

I'm going to make this real simple.
It's a waste of money if you don't compensate with a custom eprom (more air sitting ontop of TB).
It isn't a waste of money if you do custom eproms OR have a carb.
The idea of a round air cleaner is to smooth the airflow, smooth air on a stock engine is better than LOTS of air because you'll just get a huge hesitation when you floor it. Unless you have custom eprom with compensation for the fact that ALL that air sitting ontop of the TB is going to cause all the fuel to condense onto the sides of the intake runners and your engine will be starved for fuel for a short time. If you have a large stall converter and run really rich at idle like Tim then it works out okay.

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NJ SPEEDER

jprevost,
not every little thing requires a chip dude. just because you change one simple external engine perameter does not call for a complete retune of the ecm. i think i have enough proof of that by running my numbers on stock chips.
yes i could get more with a custom tune, but that would not justify the effort or expense of doing a chip after each individual mod.

later
tim

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coolguywalt

Why is the 1-1/4" drop base air filter base bad? That is what I am using and I have no problems....fits like a glove!

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DM91RS

Tim, JP has been tuning chips long enough that it gets the way adjust. It's not considered a major retune or a lot of trouble to in this case bump up the pump shot. In fact it's very eazy to change it and to burn it. Tim I see by your site that you have changed your tbi unit, intake and rockers from 1.6 to 1.5. Have you finally gotten that LT1 cam in? And do you use the vacumn adjustable pressure regulator?

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88firebirdTBI

i fit a 14x4 under my hood, but that stupid KN top filter is a waste of money and time

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Steve
88 Firebird TBI(WS6),TH700R4 - Open Element, Catco 2 1/2 High Flow Cat, K&N filter 14*4 element, 2 3/4 pipe with flowmaster 80 series with 2 1/2 inch turndowns, 180 Stant thermostat, Accel cap and rotor, L98 cam

Tas

Imagine air as a minture car driving on the bottom part of your air base. The goal: to get to the center and fall down the TBI. Which is easier: driving up a giant steep hill, falling off the side, hoping not to hit the injecor that is infront of you because of the spacer ring, OR driving on a flat plane, falling easily down the hole with the injectors miles above you.

NJ SPEEDER

the cam installis about half way done right now. i am still very busy at work since the attack. i am hoping to get it done soon. i am not goin gto be running a vacuum based fuel pressure regulator, i don't think it is needed for a motor that is gonna make peak horse only around 5400 and has no power adder. if i was spinning it a lot more or running some sort of pressure i would prolly run a vacuum reg.

as far as jon tunign chips, i know he has been doing it for a while. but the whole chip thing is turning intothe latest trend around here. it is just like a few months ago when everyone was running around adjusting their fuel pressure just because they could. just because you have the ability to do something does not make it necessary everytime you change one other piece of the puzzle.
i realize that the way to ultimate power is with custom tuning, but to tune just because you installed an air filter is silly. what's next, are people gonna need a chip because they started using platinum +4 plugs? or because they advance the base timing a little?
a custom ship is not a mod for someone who is early in the game, it is something for people who have enough mods that they can out perform what the stock chip is capable of.
i am not down on custom tuning, i just think that this little fashion trend is getting out of proportion to it's real ability to help.

later
tim


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DM91RS

Tim, I gotcha about the chip thing and I agree with you now that you made me understand what you meant. I am running the stock chip with only the speed limiter removed and I have added quite a few mods and see no reason to change until more mods are completed i.e. heads, intake and cam. Do you think that I will have to up the injector size to the 55's after the LT4 cam and Vortec head installation?

NJ SPEEDER

you will definately need to go to bigger injectors. i need mine as soon as i did the heads. that makes a huge difference(just goes to show you how bad of a casting the stcokers really are).
and you will hafta mess with the fuel pressure and timing to get it idling and running right to start.
i have never hit my speed limiter before, and that includes when i got up to 122 on the front straight at road america.

later
tim

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DM91RS

Tim, I hit my speed limiter at around 110-115 Friday before last. I removed the limiter that weekend and on the next Monday ran it to 130 before having to back off for traffic. I'm looking forward to an open track day at Road Atlanta. I'll bet Road Am. is a blast at what, 4 miles around? What fuel pressure are you having to run the injectors at? Do you still have the 55 pounders on there?