snflupigus

And talked to him, and hes not a bad guy or a liar. You guys should be asking him what he did, not bashing his times. he does not have a power adder, i looked at his engine.

soulbounder

I never discounted his timeslips, LO3s are just too unpredictable for me; what were his mods again?

[This message has been edited by soulbounder (edited August 19, 2001).]

NJ SPEEDER

i am still not willing to believe a dead stock car went that fast. like it or not.
everyone here knows me and my knowledge of these cars, and i ain't buyin it.
what mods does he have? what were you looking at in the engine(as an old school street racer i know a million ways to hide all kinds of upgrades)?


lata
tim


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91 Camaro RS-LO3,Auto.
14.209@95.46mph
Best 60' 1.917
Check Out The East Coast F-Body Nationals Home Page
www.geocities.com/njspeeder

My MAFB.ORG Home Page
www.mycar.net/mafb/registry/detail.cfm?id=299

DSI Racing Home Page
www.geocities.com/foff667

snflupigus

its not dead stock. hes got H.O upgrades, i didnt get a change to look real close at anything really, nor did i check vin etc. or anything like that. the car is super clean and super nice, and only has 40k on it. I think a lot of it could be a not so modern time system at our strip, but after talking to him for a few minutes, i believe him. and i think the car is fast. though it is not COMPLETELY STOCK. I will try to get to our strip soon, because comparatively, i have about the same mods.

NJ SPEEDER

oh my bad, he has an air cleaner and a y-pipe. gee now i can see how he went so fast.NOT!!!!!!
why is it that not long ago when i told people that my car ran a 15.9 stock w/ 2.73 and peg leg everyone though it was so fast for a stock car. now all of a sudden you want me to belive that an exhaust, a tune up, an air cleaner, and a chip is worth 1.5 seconds.
as far as the car being in good shape, i got my car with only 26,989 on the clock, it was babied by the previous owner(the inspection tags were still on the t-tops), so i kow what a brand new LO3 can do.
i can't say if the guy actually went that fast or not, what i can say is that if it did it would need a lot more mods than he lists.
and cody, i have no problem with people who like to hot rod any car, my problem is when people peg the BS meter and expect no one to say anything. if you are gonna make things up, you may want to try it someplace where there isn't an informed crowd.

lata
tim

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91 Camaro RS-LO3,Auto.
14.209@95.46mph
Best 60' 1.917
Check Out The East Coast F-Body Nationals Home Page
www.geocities.com/njspeeder

My MAFB.ORG Home Page
www.mycar.net/mafb/registry/detail.cfm?id=299

DSI Racing Home Page
www.geocities.com/foff667

CODY BEHNKE

HEY NJSPEEDER WHAT YOU THINK AND WHAT YOU KNOW DOESN'T MAKE YOU INFORMED, OPINIONATED IS MORE LIKE IT. MY CAR RUNS WHAT I SAY IT DOES. I HAVE NOTHING TO PROVE TO YOUR SORRY A** SO BACK OFF. I COULD HAVE A VIDEO OF MY CAR RUNNING A 14, SHOWING IT'S ONLY MODS ON TAPE AND HAVE A WITNESS SIGN A VOUCHER AND YOU OR SOMEONE ELSE WOULD HAVE SOME KIND OF STUPID REASON TO NOT BELIEVE ME OR ANYONE ELSE. INSTEAD OF SPENDING TIME HERE TALKING SH** GO MAKE YOUR CAR FAST.

[This message has been edited by CODY BEHNKE (edited August 21, 2001).]

Chuck!

You're running stock exahust minus the y-pipe?

****, I got a new cat, cat-back, and open element and I cant break out of the 16s (16.18 @ 83.88). I do admit that it is driver error however. My 60' could be better (2.228) and I think that's holding me back from the 15's.

And read NJ SPEEDERS sig, his car is fast.

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Chuck Kulchar
1991 RS
Open Element w/K&N
3.42 - posi - disc
3" cat and Force II cat-back

CODY BEHNKE

Yes, and my secret is the old nuclear submarine motor under my seat, on a good day those reactors make around 50,000hp each. I have a dyno slip for that also. I think I could pull 1 second quaters but i can't hook at all. Im sorry I lied I guess I should be posting this at the nuclear powered 3rd gen board but I must have misplaced the web address ,just wanted to clear things up.

snflupigus

guess ill have to go to scrib with you cody. let me know when/if you wana go. i want to get there before summer is over. email me.

NHcamaro

what did he run ????

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1988 Sport Coupe 305 TBI
K&N
Flowmaster 80


Daily driver:
1988 K1500 5.7 4x4 shortbed flowmaster cat-back gutted cat.
AOL: RyanNH84

camaroracer1992

what times did he run and the exact mods?
i'd like to know since i really havent seen this whole argument on here.

snflupigus

something around 14.5 was the best i saw on the slips. one of his slips, he was up against a guy that ran 10 something i remember. i need to get up to this strip, ive never been.

cobrakiller1989

iTrader: (1)

are u sure it doesnt have a bone stock LS1 implanted in it???

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*1989 RS
*Red, Daytona Turbo fiberglass hood, chrome 16x8 IROC wheels
*355 CID
*TPI ported plenum, SLP siamesed runners, Edelbrock high flow intake
*Edelbrock TES Headers (getting SLP 1 3/4 this summer)
*Richmond 3.73, Auburn Posi
*Modded 700-R4, 2800 stall converter
*NO recent time slips.

Tas

Maybe this mystery track is downhill

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-Tas
'89 Formula WS-6

305, TBI, auto, 14x3 chrome flat based open element with K&N, Milodon 160* thermo, functional Formula hood, cross-flow Flowmaster, '99z28 rear pipes and tips....

To be installed eventually far far far into the future: Yours if the price is right and I don't have to ship :
Hooker 1-5/8" 50 state legal headers, Dynomax 3" I pipe (PN 44063 and 43248), Catco 3" cat, and injector spacer.

Super GRK_Taz World
F-Body Dual Exaust
EFI & Intake Options
AOL IM: superGRtaz

cobrakiller1989

iTrader: (1)

Hey, i beleive it all now. because i cleaned my car once and picked up 1.5 seconds over everyone else with the same mods

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*1989 RS
*Red, Daytona Turbo fiberglass hood, chrome 16x8 IROC wheels
*355 CID
*TPI ported plenum, SLP siamesed runners, Edelbrock high flow intake
*Edelbrock TES Headers (getting SLP 1 3/4 this summer)
*Richmond 3.73, Auburn Posi
*Modded 700-R4, 2800 stall converter
*NO recent time slips.

Tas

Well my car feels faster after a good wash. Maybe there is something to that

Keith5

It may be downhill. I go to bristol dragway and it's uphill!

My friend has a brand new L03 replacement motor, headers, T-5, original AC delete, it's a hardtop, power nothing and he only ran a 16.1 . And he's been talking about some people he knows talking about how quick his car is.

I still can't get any better than 17.2, I have another friend who has an '85 T/A with the 165hp version of the LG4 and he ran a 17.0, he's got a 9 bolt with 3.27 gears and posi.

These times seem a little slow compared to most people on this board, so maybe the track has more to do with some people times than their motors.

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1989 Pontiac Firebird Formula LO3/700R4
-180 degree stat, Hooker Cat-Back, Wonder Bar
Waiting for install: Open element 14x3, 95 vette LT1 cam
**Coming Sometime**
4th gen seats, 3.42/torsen(posi), Edlebrock Performer TBI intake, headers, y-pipe and cat, afpr
http://www.geocities.com/krt80/

[This message has been edited by Keith5 (edited August 21, 2001).]

[This message has been edited by Keith5 (edited August 21, 2001).]

camaroracer1992

what am i doing wrong?? this guy can run this freaking awesome time and i have like thousands of dollars in mine and all i can pull is a 13.18? oh wait i havent washed and waxed my car i should hit like a high 10 with that i hope. JK maybe my car just doesnt like my *** in the seat or something? who knows? I'd bet if you ran that car at Maple Grove you wouldnt break a 15 if youre lucky dude. all i gotta say if you want a challenge bring it on and be prepared to lose.

91Bird305

Hahaha, this is like Grand Turismo 3....u wash and change the oil on ur car and u gain like 50hp. Why doesn't he just go to a friends house with a scanner and have them scan the time slip. That would solve everything....but lets see if that ever happens.

kdrolt

Cody posted on

https://www.thirdgen.org/messgboard/...ML/002143.html

Quote:

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">
1st run: 14.81 @ 90mph
2nd run: 14.58 @ 92mph
3rd run: 14.49 @ 92mph

1991 FIREBIRD FORMULA WS6, 305 TBI 5-SPEED, 3.08:1 GEARS, 245/50/16 GOODYEAR GATORBACKS. MODIFICATIONS: 5.0 HO DUAL SNORKEL AIR CLEANER,5.0 HO Y-PIPE, CATCO CATALYTIC CONVERTER, 2 1/2 INTERMEDIATE, 80 SERIES FLOWMASTER, DUAL 2 1/2 OUTLETS, JET STAGE II CHIP WITH NO FUEL SHUT OFF, 180 T-STAT, LOW TEMP FAN SWITCH, MSD CAP, ROTOR, COIL, 8.5 WIRES, HOLLEY IGNITION MODULE, BOSCH PLATINUM +4 PLUGS, 1LE TRANSMISSION MOUNT </font>

Ok, so 14.49 @ 92 mph in a car that probably weighs around 3500 lbs. QuarterJr and CarTest both require around 240+ fwhp to run that quick & fast, with that kind of weight. No one can't deny the physics.

A stock LO3, with 170 fwhp and 255 fw ftlbs, in an Fcar runs high 15s on the best day, and more likely low 16s... and with a good driver. I'm echoing what others have said already about the stock LO3 in an Fcar. Of the mods listed above, the only significant ones to add anything are the exhaust and the intake. I'd easily believe +15 to +20 hp, and maybe +25 hp tops. That would put the LO3 at 195 fwhp.

There aren't enough Mods listed to support the power increase needed to run 14.5 @ 92 mph. FWIW NJSpeeder's car has run darn close to the same time, but he has a lot more mods.

Cody, I'm not being argumentative.... but I use physics for a living and any track run can always be explained by the power and torque of the engine, as well as knowing the gearing and the car weight.... and assuming that the car is well tuned. If your car really ran 14.5 @ 92 mph, then it's putting out approx 240+ fwhp and probably 275 fw ftlbs torque.

The mods you listed aren't enough to explain the timeslips. If you bought the car from someone else, then it is possible that they changed the cam from the stock LO3. It's not that hard to pull a valve cover and rotate the engine manually with a breaker bar, while measuring the change in the lift of both an intake and an exhaust valve. If the values don't match what the stock cam would provide with stock 1.5 rockers, then either the rockers, or the cam, or both are non stock.

Or maybe it's a 350 and not a 305. A 9C1 (Chevy police package) LO5 350 with intake and exhaust mods would come CLOSE to 240 fwhp and it would have 310+ fw ftlbs. In an Fcar it would run mid 14s. Actually, 14.5 is quite quick for a 92 mph trap speed, so I'll argue that the trap is a little slow. My '94 Caprice (approx 4300 lbs) has run 14.96 @ 92.5 mph (corrected for altitude, 15.04 @ 91.99 actual), so I would think that a 14.5 run in an Fcar would net you 95+ mph. Hummmm, the more I think about it, the more I am inclined to say that your quick ET is a result of a torquey motor that doesn't have a lot of hp. An LO5 350 drop-in motor would explain things well. And it's not so easy to determine if the engine is a 350 without carefully checking the casting numbers, or pulling a head... so it would be a good sleeper-mod to make. I can think of cheap ways to measure the cylinder volume, but you probably wouldn't want to go to that kind of trouble.

The point is that there IS another mod that explains the timeslips. The question is, how bad do you really want to find out what it is? - Ken


[This message has been edited by kdrolt (edited August 22, 2001).]

BlackBird305

Cody,
NJSPEEDER has more than just the video clips to prove his low 14 sec passes he has quite a group of people who witnessed it

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91 Pontiac Firebird...305 TBI
black, t-tops, auto
K&N 14x3 open element flat base air cleaner, 3 inch high flow cat, 3 cat-back into a flowmaster 80 series, IAT Resistor, ultimate TBI mods, 160 stat Hypertech Thermomaster Chip, TC lock-up switch, SLP Torsen Posi w/Richmond 3.73's, removed rear seats, Spohn LCA relocation brackets...SOON TO COME...headers and y-pipe, Nitto Extreme Drag Radials, LT1 Cam, Edelbrock Performer manifold

92Camaro305TBI

Well, I know I have heard this more than once on this board. "As every mass produced products, there are good ones and there are bad ones" MAYBE CODY got a REALLY GOOD one. So what if he hasn't put thousands into his car and is doing 14.5's. I know i would be happy. You don't have to believe him. But why do you have to call him a liar? How do you know. Just becuase your experience has shown you a different way to get to 14.5 doesn't mean it is the only way to do it. It doesn't seem like he was bragging to me just stating... And it seems like NJ is trying to start some just becuase he has spent more time and effort to get the ET. Still no reason to put CODY down.

CODY nice times!

steve

NJ SPEEDER

actually what a person knows is what makes them informed. i have been working on these motors for a long *** time dude. i am one of the original guys who figured out what did and didn't work on them, and i am still on the cutting edge.even back in the day when it with guys like mcgyver, shane buss, and few other s i can't think of right now, i still would have known you were full of s***.
i don't mean to brag, even if i can, but everyone here knows that i am one of the most informed people about these motors. i have done all the physics, tried more things than you can think of, and have more seat time than you can imagine.
having said that i can think of 5 ways your car could have gone that fast:
1. the track is 4500ft below sea level
2. the track was built on a 35degree downward grade
3. your car only weighs 2600lbs
4. you "forgot" to mention the " i dropped in a 350 mod" in your mod list
5. you drank a bunch of beers and tried to think of a "close lie" that no one would notice.

any guesses on which one it is guys?

lata
tim


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91 Camaro RS-LO3,Auto.
14.209@95.46mph
Best 60' 1.917
Check Out The East Coast F-Body Nationals Home Page
www.geocities.com/njspeeder

My MAFB.ORG Home Page
www.mycar.net/mafb/registry/detail.cfm?id=299

DSI Racing Home Page
www.geocities.com/foff667

CODY BEHNKE

Once again the never ending topic, the washing your car and dropping 1.5 seconds is a good one I'll use it next time all the 16 year olds ask me how to make there car fast.
Read my post a little closer I'm not saying I don't belive NJSPEEDER I'm saying I could have a video and witness's and everyone would still talk s**t. And camaroracer1992 you bring it, but I ain't beating on my car for nothing, you wanna race bring $100 to lose, I don't race for less than that. When I go to Scibner with snflupigus and run a 14 then what?
THE 14 SECOND FORMULA
TO BE CONTINUED!!!
TUNE IN TOMMOROW!!
SAME THIRDGEN.TIME
SAME THIRDGEN.CHANNEL

P.S. MY FRIEND HAS AN AUTO WITH THE SAME MODS AND HE RUNS A 15.471 @ 88.4MPH, MY CAR IS AN LO3 NOT NO DA*N LO5 GET IT! NO ONE ELSE HAS TOUCHED IT!

1991 FIREBIRD FORMULA
305 TBI 5-SPEED 3:08 W/LIMITED-SLIP
DUAL SNORKEL AIR CLEANER W/K&N
LARGER Y-PIPE
CATCO CAT
2 1/2 INTERMIDIATE
FLOWMASTER MUFFLER
PERFORMANCE RESOURCE CHIP
HYPERTECH PULLIES
MSD CAP,ROTOR,COIL & WIRES
BOSCH +4 PLUGS
MISC: LOW TEMP FAN SWITCH, 180 T-STAT,VALVOLINE SYNTHETIC FLUIDS

BLOCK STOCK 305
CAM STOCK LO3
HEADS STOCK

CODY BEHNKE

OH, I FORGOT TO MENTION NJSPEEDER MAYBE IF YOU DO WHAT MATTERS TO A LO3 IT WOULD BE A LOT FASTER. DON'T TELL ME I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M DOING. BEFORE THIS I HAD A 94 T/A GT, AUTO WITH TRANY BUILD-UP.

LT1
VORTECH SUPERCHARGER
CUSTOM ECU
PORTED LT1 HEADS
LT4 CAM W/MATCHING 1.6 ROCKERS
SLP HEADERS W/Y-PIPE
3" INTERMIDIATE
FLOWMASTER MUFFLER
LT4 KNOCK MODULE
FULL BILSTIEN SUSPENSION FROM SLP
ZEXEL-TORSEN HEAVY DUTY DIFF. FROM SLP
FIREHAWK WHEELS W/FIREHAWK SZ50EP TIRES
SO WHY THE H**L WOULD I BRAG ABOUT A LITTLE LO3, I WAS UNAWARE OF THE FACT THAT ONLY YOU CAN MAKE THEM FAST. SORRY I DIDN'T ASK YOUR PERMISSION FIRST. BUT SINCE I DID IT ANY WAY YOU KNOW WHERE YOU CAN STICK IT.

NotDadsW41

ATTN Moderators!!!! snflupigus & JPrevost

snflupigus I know you started this thread, but I fail to see how this is even remotely technical in nature. Many other threads with more to do about TBI cars than this one have been shut down promptly. This one's time has come. The only technical post on this thread belongs to kdrolt(thanks Ken!) and not one of you has bothered to address his comments.

Please end this thread now!!!

Chuck!

Didnt Camaroracer run a 13.20?

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Chuck Kulchar
1991 RS
Open Element w/K&N
3" cat and Force II cat-back

cobrakiller1989

iTrader: (1)

it sure did. that car is scary, id be almost afraid to race him my self. o course he knows id kick his @$$ j/k man

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*1989 RS
*Red, Daytona Turbo fiberglass hood, chrome 16x8 IROC wheels
*355 CID
*TPI ported plenum, SLP siamesed runners, Edelbrock high flow intake
*Edelbrock TES Headers (getting SLP 1 3/4 this summer)
*Richmond 3.73, Auburn Posi
*Modded 700-R4, 2800 stall converter
*NO recent time slips.

CODY BEHNKE

Almost everyone has a point, this isn't a tech issue. But it did start that way with a simple posting of what my car ran in the 1/4. I didn't come here to stir up trouble. I just assumed that everyone's TBI 5-speeds would run those numbers. This is my 6th F-body since i was sixteen. My second TBI both were made fast. I was not bragging or trying to say everyone else's cars were slow. I have nothing to hide about my car what you see is what you get, factory block(305), factory cam(LO3),& stock heads, stock TB. No 350, no N.O.S. or any other cheater system. Yes a track can have a outdated timing system which would generate error but the runs were completed at two different tracks. This constant complaning is rediculious I drove 2 1/2 hours to show snflupigus my time-slips to prove to a moderator that my car indeed ran those times. After all I not only drive a GM I work on them all day at the local GM dealership garage that I work at. I don't care what anyone else had to do or what they had to spend to make there car fast, this is what I did to mine and it will only get better.

P.S.- Snflupigus we can go racing when I get my new G force T/A's put on hopefully next week.

Tas

OH, I FORGOT TO MENTION CODY BEHNKE MAYBE IF YOU DO WHAT MATTERS TO A LO3 IT WOULD BE A LOT FASTER. DON'T TELL ME I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M DOING. BEFORE THIS I HAD A 99 SALEEN MUSTANG GT, AUTO WITH TRANY BUILD-UP.
428 FORD BOSS SEMI HEMI
VORTECH SUPERCHARGER
CUSTOM CARBS
PORTED BIG BLOCK HEADS
SICK CAM
HOOKER HEADERS WITH DUAL 3" FLOWMASTERS
MUFFLER BEARINGS
FULL LOCKER ON THE 9" FROM HAWAII RACING
BIG FAT TYRES
SO WHY THE H**L WOULD I BRAG ABOUT A LITTLE LO3, I WAS UNAWARE OF THE FACT THAT ONLY YOU CAN MAKE THEM FAST. SORRY I DIDN'T ASK YOUR PERMISSION FIRST. BUT SINCE I DID IT ANY WAY YOU KNOW WHERE YOU CAN STICK IT.

Tas

camaroracer1992

Oh by the way smart A$$ i would bring a little more than a hundred dollars with you cause i'd wipe the *** damn pavement up with you and your car. i'd race you for slips and by the way i ran a best of 13.18 so i think thats a tad better than you. and njspeeder and cobrakiller1989 your my boys!!
just think about stuff before you start **** you cant handle man.

CODY BEHNKE

That is quite the set up just remember to keep the muffler bearings greased or you'll lose power. You should also go with 6 carbs it helps on take off. And go with some narrower tyres so you can spin them longer to show off to your boyfriend. Oh and camaroracer1992 try it without n.o.s., and by the way i'd love to see you wipe the concrete with me you skinny a** puke, ask snflupigus you wouldnt whup my *** . On second hand I ain't talking s**t on the internet what are you gonna do any way??

[This message has been edited by CODY BEHNKE (edited August 22, 2001).]

camaroracer1992

dude i aint skinny (i'm 220 lbs and 6 foot 6) and i think its time you drop it just accept your losses and such and drop it and without nos i'd still beat it.

Tas

THAT'kS A BAAAAAAAD MONKEY

BahamutRS

I need to go to the track... :\
BTW, I'm shaky on this too...looks too good... hmm.

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1992 Camaro RS (Auto) 5.0L TBI
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Performance mods
NOS (125 HP shot)
Dynomax cat-back exhaust
Hedman headers
K & N open element/ X-Stream lid
MSD 6A ignition
Under drive pulleys
LT1 camshaft
Soon to be installed:
Edelbrock intake manifold
3.42 rear axle
B & M 2400 RPM stall torque converter
Transgo shift kit
Moroso Blue Max plug wires
305 TPI heads

Audio
Sony Xplod CDX-M610 head unit
Pioneer 2-way 4x6 front speakers
Pioneer 3-way 6x9 rear speakers
12 inch Pioneer VCCS PRO subwoofer
QLogic sealed box
Kicker ZR360 amplifier
Lightning Audio 1 farad capacitor

Other
Macewen White Faced Gauges/Shift overlay
A-pillar gauges (Phantom oil pressure, Air/Fuel)
180* thermostat
Window Tint

JRoy91RS

Ok, time for this one to end. I'm disappointed in the moderators for not closing this down. Let's be adults. This has turned into a pissing contest for little boys.

NTChrist

Umm, Tas, you're not even making sense. What was that rant about Saleens?
I'd have to say that if Cody showed Snflupigus timeslips, that he's probably telling the truth. Maybe he's not telling the WHOLE truth, but hey, you do the same thing, camaroracer1992. Not that that's wrong. Don't take that the wrong way. Keep your recipes secret or shout it out on a rooftop, it's your choice.
Oh yeah, and if you take offense to Cody "talking ****" maybe don't threaten him.
Another vote for closing this.

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No guts, no glory.

Tas

me makea da no sense? that was the point making fun

snflupigus

to answer notdadsw41.

i havent checked the board for a few days, ive been busy, which is rare as you know.

i posted the thread because, I SAW THE TIMESLIPS, AND MET CODY. he seems like a nice guy and i think everybody should have appologized for blowing up on him. but, i guess that didnt happen because everybody here knows so much, , anyway.....

post closed, i will go to scrib with cody and watch him run, hell maybe i can line up against him if im lucky. and if i run anything near that. you guys better not second guess me or ill be closing all of your threads . hehehe.

JPrevost

I too have been very busy with work and burning some more eproms (too lean yesterday and car HATED me).
Now about Cody and his dream machine: Snuf, why don't you do something like right down the block number, injector color code check!, and get a drive in it to make SURE he's got 3.08 gears by doing the math with his 4th gear and what mph.
This might prove to be a better way of proving to the rest of us. I'm having a very hard time understanding how he ran such a good time. Please post 60' times, if you used slicks and if you have posi.
I would also like to say that NJSpeeder is by far one of the most knowledgable Lo3 guys around same as Pablo (also doesn't believe Cody). There mods and experience justify their doubt as well as mine.
Now I don't give a rats posterior about somebodys previous rides. I would just like to see so hardcore proof so there isn't so much crap being thrown around about who knows this and who works for so and so (it don't matter). I'm really having a hard time believing that your car is running mid 14's at 92mph and you STILL TYPE IN CAPS AND STILL HAVEN'T POSTED A 60' time or any other important info. I'm sorry but I didn't get a chance to comment on the last post around the 13th of this month but PLEASE, for the love of all thirdgens....PROVE IT TO US.
Let me end with: Your mods will NOT run a mid 14 at e-town (near sea level) with the mods you've listed even if you did have slicks. Except for your air cleaner, minor exhaust work, and pullys, there are no other horsepower mods on your list of mods! If you think MSD crap is a mod and you can't prove to US, the rest of the Lo3 owners, then I'm sorry but YOU need to do some believing (350, maybe diff gears, diff cam/rockers) NOT US!!!
This was not to come off as a flame but this kind of back and forth crap needs to stop. Prove it or loose it and I'm not taking snufs word about it because there is NO WAY to tell by just looking under the hood if you've got a 383 or a 305. End of discussion, please start a new thread only when you have something productive to say and please stop using caps lock, my eyes are ringing .

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, Jon (350 TBI!)
91 Red My website

[This message has been edited by JPrevost (edited August 24, 2001).]