big tex

I have 185 bones to spend...what can I do to beat this car. He has headers and a flowmaster muffler. The car is also slower. He beat me bad the first time, then the second time I hung with him because of the new shift points I picked up here at thirdgen. But he is still winning by 3/4 of a car. I realize he has some forced induction working for him, but I would still like to beat his *** with a normally aspirated 305 TBI. Thanks for any help you can give me.

pimpintheRS

FIRST we need to know what you already have in your car...

steve8586iroc

He just playing with you or his car is worn out. I'd leave him alone.

Keith5

yeah really, a supercharger might help you, or you sabotage his car, hehe.

I don't think $185 will help much.

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1989 Pontiac Firebird Formula LO3 Auto
-180 degree stat
-Hooker Cat-Back
*****Possible summer '01 mods*****
Open Element, Auburn Posi, Keyless Entry, wonder Bar off the IROC, 4th gen seats, T/A tail lights

1985 Camaro IROC-Z LB9 Auto
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Aaron91RS

iTrader: (2)

Well First They GN has a single turbo.
Second there is no chance a 350TPI Z28 could keep up with one that had any kind of mods, much less you. He had to be messing with you.
The 3.8SFI turbo is one of the most awesome v-6's ever built. 400HP is easy with those.

91Bird305

Yeah, hehe, best just leave that black turbo alone. He would tear u a new a$$hole if he really wanted.

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Eric Natzke
91 Firebird 305 TBI
"It Ain't Stock"
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For info on certain parts or mods go to the site below
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Tas

go steal his turbo, then you have a chance.

Mike92

He has headers on a turbo car huh? Is it a buick or a chevy (Monte Carlo)

NJ SPEEDER

get as much weight out of the car as you can.
other than that i need to know what you already have on teh car.

lata
tim

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91 Camaro RS-LO3,Auto.
14.301 @ 94.39mph

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91Bird305

unless u can get ur car to run from a 16.0 1/4 mile to a mid 13's 1/4 mile then I wouldn't race him. And with 185 bucks u aren't goona knock 2.5 seconds off ur 1/4 mile. Sorry man

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Eric Natzke
91 Firebird 305 TBI
"It Ain't Stock"
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For info on certain parts or mods go to the site below
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Z28 Boy

yeah those little bastards are pretty quick. i got torn up one night on the boulevard here in syracuse last summer...i knew it was gonna happen so i was like "what the hell." well, that little bitch was all over me like a cheap suit. oh well, all in a night's fun.

the moral of the story..leave him alone.

-brian

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1991 Camaro RS - Ultra Blue Metallic, T-Tops
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2thpick

Z28boy did you ever put me on the webring? It works on Netscape, but not on IE.

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1991 Camaro RS 305 5spd
-IROC Hood
-IROC Wheels
-IROC Grill
-Blue Neons
-Bowtie Foglights
-weight mod, empty engine compartment

1994 S10 2.2 5spd
-Dixie Horn, Air Horns, Knight Rider Lights, 162,000+ miles

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cobrakiller1989

iTrader: (1)

If you really want to beat him, I would go steal 5 out of his 6 pistons and then it might be a close race.

99Hawk120

There is no way you "hung with him", he was playing with you. Those GN guys are real brutal that way.

Stock GN's run 13s. Period. If his GN has mods, he should be able to pull away from so fast you'll think you left your car in reverse.

God, I have a carbed 350 ZZ4 that can't keep up with mildly modded GN's, and neither can my Hawk. You haven't got a chance.

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'84 Black Camaro ZZ4 M5 (V-6 in a former life) -- street beast
'91 Medium Blue Metallic Z28 A4 (UB-HSTRY's old ride) -- currently broken
'99 Navy Blue Metallic Firehawk #120 M6 (99.44% stock) -- daily driver

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91Bird305

Way to put it to him nicely, lol. Hey man, don't worry about it. If you want to race, race other thirdgens camaros/firebird or mustangs. But I would suggest racing just the RS's until u start modding ur engine with exaust,gears,etc. That will get u on a good start with ur engine. The mods I did to my 305 TBI were great and woke up my car amazingly.

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Eric Natzke
91 Firebird 305 TBI
"It Ain't Stock"
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For info on certain parts or mods go to the site below
http://members.aol.com/j007golden/modeval.html

[This message has been edited by 91Bird305 (edited January 26, 2001).]

Mike92

Stock GN's don't run 13's, period most ran mid 14's at around 94-97mph stock. Now with fee mods you can get them in the 13's easily. Then again how many BONESTOCK GN's have you seen, not many so basically they will run atleast 13's because they are so easy to modify.

snflupigus

very good point

91Bird305

Um, I have seen one completly stock run a 13.7 in the 1/4 mile.

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Eric Natzke
91 Firebird 305 TBI
"It Ain't Stock"
http://members.aol.com/j007golden/91firebird.html
For info on certain parts or mods go to the site below
http://members.aol.com/j007golden/modeval.html

Z28Maniac

Stock GNs run 13s. Lightly modded ones can run low 12s high 11s. Easily.

TTA

Yeah stay away from those GNs. They can really hurt. I agree, Stick to racing Thirdgens!

Wanna race a V6 Thirdgen? It only has light mods


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Mike
1989 Turbo Trans-Am
11.25@121.25
Only had the valve covers off once... 106K miles and still going. 300+ Runs.

1998 Trans-Am LS1 6 Speed
13.10@106 Bone Factory Stock

2QUIK6

I'll race ya, I only have 1 turbo..hehe. I've seen a twin turbo project GN turn 10 sec 1/4 and was smoking the tires half way down the track, think of what it would do if it had traction..doubt it was one of the few project twin turbo GN's that are running around the country although bolt on twin kits may be available in the future

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High Performance & Party page
Pics of my rides past & present and recent party pics!

89 TTA #426 20th Anniversary turbo 3.8 bone stock
94 Silverado Tuned Port Injected
87 Grand National- lil' ole V6, highly modded
95 Trans Am Conv.- LT1

Turbo T

Yeah follow everyone's advice. Those cars are pretty evil even when stock. Or maybe you could put a bunch of spray on that 305 and take the victory. But the GN owner could turn the boost up even higher and add some race gas. And run twice as fast.

ShiftyCapone

iTrader: (7)

I just watched a show on that turbo buick and it ran to 60 in 4.8 seconds. GM stopped producing it because it was faster than that years vette. GM didn't want anything faster than its vette so they stopped making it. The funny thing is....I am pretty sure that they said it only had like 240-260 HP yet it was an absolute rocket.

CleanRS

those ****in things are bad!! I have been burned by one those before

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-John
92 RS
-L03 305
-700R4 auto.
-2.73 peg leg
-GMPP open Air Element
-Hypertech Street Runner chip
-Hypertech under drive pullies
-R&R High Flow Catalytic Converter
-Flowmaster Catback Exhaust (with NO tips)
-K&N Crankcase breather
-Kenwood CD head unit
-Kenwood 6x9 speakers in rear.

RandyCustomShop

Well, there are *some* things you can do...


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11.31 @ 118.6 1.59 60' on
245/50 Nittos leanin' out
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robleegordon

I cna't believe this. A GN will tear up any Camaro. I have a 383 92 RS and it's hard to "Hang" with them. Now my other car is the beast. It's a 1991 Dodge Stealth Twin Turbo. I run 9.8 at the track. The GN's runs when they see me comming!!! Haven't been beaten yet in it, and hopefull I never will.

RandyCustomShop

Ya ever hear that expression, "There's always somebody faster" Ya, I don't like it either...
383 RS? Sounds pretty fast to me...Couple friends of mine had a 383 in their IROC that ran low low 12's at about 118 mph last I knew. Doug Nash 5 spd.



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"Firechicken"
82/86/87/88/89 Firebird
(V6 Turbo)
11.31 @ 118.6 1.59 60' on
245/50 Nittos leanin' out
bad
rcs@nema.com

JPrevost

Nothing new to say.
GN/GNX and TTA will kill just about any N/A engine. Too bad they never twin turbo a production vehicle like a TTTA or TTRS . Only TT were in the special vettes .
I don't even think I'll be able to hang with a GN AFTER my 350 engine swap. Give me some time to get aluminum drive shaft and locking diff, then they'll have a run.

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burntblues

My boss let me drive his GN, and even for an automatic it would spin the tires at 45 mph on the highway. What a f'ing amazing car. I would kill for one. A friend of mine said that a 5.0 mustang would beat it, course he also said a probe would beat out a camaro... we showed him on that one

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ctandc

My brother bought a BONE STOCK 87 GN in '89. With JUST a tune up it ran a BEST of 14.15 , and that was with major tire spin. Sorry, I don't buy a STOCK GN running 13's. Were they running drag radials? Did you know the owner well enough to KNOW FOR SURE it was stock? And the driver factor is ZILCH.. my brother was nailing .510-525 RT's ALL day long.. guess that came from the 66 Chevelle 10 second drag car we raced

I'll agree they are UNDERRATED and very fast WHEN MODDED!! Hell, we had his '87 running 12's with a chip, homemade ram air, and the psi of the turbo boosted a tad... and even with Drag radials it had nasty wheel spin...

But GN's ARE BEATABLE!!! The 406 powered 87 442 I built the motor in is a daily driver with all the smog stuff and the computer setup from a 87 SS.. it runs CONSISTENT 12.60's with a best of 12.54 one night when it was REALLY COLD..... HE hangs with and beats ALOT of GN's, but the modded one's are hard to handle. Don't feel bad though... I've got a friend with a Paxton supercharged 408 powered 90 IROC and he eats 'em for lunch...


Chris

91Bird305

That is so funny. Everyone has to mod and supercharge these big blocks to keep up with these slightly modified GN's. Man I want one of these cars. And yeah, I knew the guy. We talked for a long time. Its a show car. (It was a TTA, but same engine still) and it ran a 13.7 I beilve in the 1/4 mile. Watched it with my own 2 eyes. I saw the engine too. Man was that a thing of beauty. Even stock they look nice. LoL. I remember when my LO3 engine was stock and then I look at this stock GM Turbo V6 and I wonder...."Why GM? Why?"

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Eric Natzke
91 Firebird 305 TBI
"It Ain't Stock"
http://members.aol.com/j007golden/91firebird.html
For info on certain parts or mods go to the site below
http://members.aol.com/j007golden/modeval.html

[This message has been edited by 91Bird305 (edited March 16, 2001).]

2QUIK6

GN's will run 13's easy bone stock with just a little tuning Just hook up a scan tool and adjust fuel pressure and boost to optimal setting, and hello low 13's. All factory cars run very rich to protect against detonation, any car can be made a little faster with some fine tuning of the fuel, just the GN gets a little more faster easier.
Will find out Sunday what my TTA will run bone stock with just some sticky DR's on it....

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Rob
High Performance & Party page
Pics of my rides past & present and recent party pics!

89 TTA #426 20th Anniversary turbo 3.8 bone stock
94 Silverado Tuned Port Injected
87 Grand National- lil' ole V6, highly modded
95 Trans Am Conv.- LT1

88firebirdTBI

LEAVE HIM ALONE. YOU WOULD GET RIPPED IF HE WAS TRYING. OR HE HAS A SHOT ENGINE. SPEND THE $185 ON A CAM

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Steve
88 Firebird TBI - Open Element, Cat Delete K&N filter 14*4 element
1/4: 16.1@85.7

Quick Tib

All you rednecks driving around in beatup old bowties....gawd...I am so tired of looking in my rearview at those tired old things.

TBI - Trashy Bottleneck Injection

Why'd Chebby put such a cah-cah injection system on a performance car? Wait...I got it.....so people would know when the cah-cahmaro was trying to sneak past a real car! All that noise and none of the performance.

BWAAA-HAAA-HAAAA-HAAAAAAA!

By the way...doesn't taking out the cat kill the little bit of low end torque that those cars do have just to help gain another hp or two out of that massive amount of horsies those things muster up? Just a thought but...I probably wouldn't know since I only drive a itsy bitsy nonturbo 4 cylinder wheezebox!

Take your 185 bones and use it as a down payment for a Honda Insight....If you can't go fast..might as well be earth friendly.


p.s. Just kidding!

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Poppy Red '97 Hyundai Tiburon FX 5 Speed

Mods:
Onpol Special Big Bore TB and Port Matched Intake
KORE CAI
Yokohama Parada Asymetrics 205/45/16s mounted on TSW Spirit 16X7 Wheels
Shark Racing Duraluminum Strut Bars F/R
Eibach Anti-Sway Bars F/R
Eibach Pro-Kit Springs
Eibach Dampers
Shark Racing 4-2-1 Header
Brullen 2.25" Stainless Cat Back Exhaust with 4" Tip
High Flow Catalytic Converter
Shark Racing Big Brake Kit with Y2k Hubs
Shark Racing Short Shifter
Vitek 8.5mm Plug Wires
NGK-r Plugs

Best Time - 15.6 @ 85.67mph

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burntblues

Man, after reading all of these, kind of makes you want to find a GN just to have around for kicks... they are pretty cheap now (I've been checking) you can get a really nice one for 3 grand!

-=-Mike

Just got to wonder if I would sell the camaro for it?



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1989 RS.. Newly installed 350,bored out 30 over, Hypereutectic pistons, double roller cam, double roller timing chain, accel wires, blue streak cap and rotor, rapidfire plugs, chevy caprice 350 chip, 200* fan switch.

FORD Rustangs -R- Us

anyone know off hand what the insurance for a 16 year old with a stock grand national would be using Statefarm insurance dunno..might switch my bday wish from a third gen to a grand national sorta kidding..but i still wnana know what it would be..thx if you guys can find out

Zac's92

15.6 wow and your still on the stock cam. You must be reving that thing up pretty high, and nail those shifts to get it to run that fast.

Quick Tib

Actually, I rev the living ****e out of my poor car but it goes and that is all that matters. The 15.6 is my best slip so far and that was with a horrible launch. I a hoping for a 15.2 in April once the track opens back up.

I have to give props to everyone here who still believes in good old american iron.

I just like to throw mud every once in a while.

I used to own a big block 429 in a 70 Rustang that would kick major *** but I had to retire it to be more economically sound.

Nothing like passing everything on the street but the gas station!

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black5.7GTA

92 Camaro RS 5.0 auto 2.73 0-60 8.4 1/4mile 16.4@85mph
87 Buick GN 3.8 auto 3.42 0-60 4.9 1/4mile 13.9@99mph

He was laughing at you


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SLP Package,SLP Torque Converter/Shift Kit,Fastchip,GSC's,
G-tech 0-60 5.1 1/4mile 13.6@104
member www.transamgta.com
Previous Thirdgen
1986 Camaro IROC-Z

[This message has been edited by black5.7GTA (edited March 16, 2001).]

shrp1

I DONT THINK SO. If you have seen a NICE one for 3 grand and you didnt buy it your dumb.

NIce GN's go for around 8-10K.

Check out www.turbobuick.com



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1986 Grand National
Big fuel pump w/ hot wire kit
30lb injectors
Custom Street Chip
Underdrive Pulley, 160 therm, K&N,Mass air pipe
Adj Fuel Reg.
2800 Stall convertor
3" single exhaust
Air Bags
13.30@103.2 on the radials(2.004 60 ft) and 17#'s of boost

burntblues

The ones that I have seen have had really low miles, but need something small like new seats or maybe a little bit of body work. but for the amount of power, I think that it would be worth it.

-=-mike

88firebirdTBI

Quik tib, why dont you go to a "rice" website and stop putting down cars that will ripe you a new A$$hole you ***.

ShiftyCapone

iTrader: (7)

I agree with 88bird, 15.6 and your proud! Especially with all of those mods you have. Why are u even on this site.

vortecfcar

my buddy would have to pay 575/6months for a grand nat '87. thats the whole shebang too, how did the ****** in the tiburon find this site and when is someone gonna go beat the **** out of him.

91Bird305

LoL, someone with another modified GN probably.

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Eric Natzke
91 Firebird 305 TBI
"It Ain't Stock"
http://members.aol.com/j007golden/91firebird.html
For info on certain parts or mods go to the site below
http://members.aol.com/j007golden/modeval.html

pimpintheRS

big tex you race hi again? just wondering the out come..