Tas

I've been toying with and idea for a new type of hot rod with those style cues, fenders, wheels pushed to the front of the car. I've been looking at using a '87-'95 Jeep wrangler frame $300, '76+ body $250-$500, '97+ front end $???, windshield and cowl. It would have to have a v8 though. I think a 305 TBI would be perfect, the Jeep 5 speed would live behind it, lots of unloved still good 305s around. am I crazy?



what all is needed to put TBI in a car that doesn't have it? O2 sensors? knock sensors? how much would the this be?

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-Tas
'89 Formula WS-6
[soon to be Torch Red with black hood and headlights =) ]

305, TBI, auto, 14x3 chrome flat based open element with K&N, Milodon 160* thermo, functional Formula hood, cross-flow Flowmaster, '99z28 rear pipes and tips....

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[This message has been edited by Tas (edited February 15, 2001).]

snflupigus

yes, i do, but that isnt one!

gheto if you ask me.

jeeps are to be made to go offroad, not poser hot rods.

btw, all my opinion. Just trying to save you from getting laughed at .

snflupigus

o, and nice attempt to make that tbi related.

moving to appearance.

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pimpintheRS

he unlocked it for you.. right on.
^^^

FastBroker

Hey, I drive a hot-rodded Wrangler!!! Yeah, it goes off-road REAL WELL but nothing wrong with drivin'-em on the street, either. Plus, with a 350cid, 4.11 gears (sometimes 3.07 or 4.56, too) a 2800 converter and 11 inch wide tires and a spool, I'm not someone you wanna race... Unless you like to loose money, that is.

Tas, I like the idea but not sure of the design in that picture. I'd go more '32-'33 Ford'esque... and use a 350 if you have to buy a motor, don't buy a 305... PLEASE!!!!!

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Keith5

I'm sorry, but jeeps suck.

TonyC

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Just buy one of the Holley 700/900 cfm TBI systems. They come with everything to put TBI on a carbed car, so should work with your idea, good luck

FastBroker

Suck at what? Not at beating you like a dirty carpet!!! Any day Keith. Any day. Unless you can run 12's in the 1/4, shutting up NOW is my recommendation... If you don't like Jeeps, don't buy one and don't make fun of mine unless you wanna loose money or pride.

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FastBroker

Oh, if you want to run at 100mph over dirt, I can do that, too. Pick the road and I'll pick my axles/suspension/motor/gears... OR maybe you wanna race my 502/502 Grand Cherokee, but you'd have better luck with the Wrangler.

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Tas

well I say 305 because I'll probably find a good one for way less and in better condition than a 350. And if I got a 350 I'd have to find a tranny to live behind it.

So, how do I put TBI in a car that isn't TBI already?? what all do I need.

FastBroker

Go to a boneyard and buy a 2WD 350TBI truck engine with the TBI and 2WD TH700 on it already... PLENTY available, too. Then you can put cam, Vortec heads, etc in it if you want more go juice. The truck tranny will be plenty strong for most uses and the GM TBI stuff is ok, as basis for this Forum.

I will GIVE (yes, give) you a BIN file for use with the Edelbrock 3702 cam (194/214deg, .398"/.442")and non-stock (non-swirl-port) heads, if you so desire. 245hp on the dyno at 9.0CR with good exhaust and OEM 1-11/16" TBI with 55lb/hr injectors set at 14.5 psi. You should be able to get 200-220hp in the vehicle pretty easily...

Have fun.


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JPrevost

I don't know exactly what you'll need until I'm finished with my swap. I'm sure it's not a lot, I'll right down everything I needed to do the swap. I think it'll be real smooth, just need to find what size sensor holes are all in the engine so I can plug up the stupid ones and get the right knock/temp sensor. Those are the only one's I can think of.

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, Jon (91 RS too many mods to list), getting new engine in summer

Tas

forgot to specify I want a manual tranny. Like a t-5 from a 4.3L s-10 or one from an f-body or something.

Keith5

I wasn't talking about your jeep, just jeeps in general, I didn't even read your post that well.

Tas

lol any reason why they "suck"? Most people love them.

Keith5

I just think they suck, I probably liked them better before rick did what he did to his. He's a guy around here. He put a lift kit on it, which I think would be pretty cool I guess. Then later on he lowered it, without taking off the lift kit. It's nasty.

The only reason I would want one is for off road fun. I wouldn't want one to drive everyday, too many people get killed in jeeps around here. IMO they are too dangerous for everday.

Tas

ah ya I can see that. there are a lot of dingeses with em just to show off. Never go offroad... Mine has no lift on 31s as long as my dad drives it too he won't let me put a lift kit on it. I didn't care because it handles great(for a truck) and has gone everywere I've tried to take it.. until a couple weeks ago.. so basicly I'm debating lifting it a little bit so the 31s can flex(2.5" lift) or going crazy on the Formula(new paint, rims)...

I'm also looking for a Jeep body to start the hot rod thing. I took the seat out of mine one time to see if you could even sit low enough in it to warrant making a hot rod. I put the seat on the floor and it felt just like the Firebird. The other reason for the hot rod is to collect parts on it that I would use on my 4x4 in the future like v8 setup(5.0 TBI ), Ford Explorer rear axle with 4.10s...

FastBroker

My Jeeps are the definition of dangerous, as are all my vehicles. If they were not dangerous, I would not drive them as I would get bored.

I design all my Jeep suspensions so I am confident that they can perform. OEM Jeeps with big motors and big lifts of OEm suspensions are dangerous but do not apply to me...

Thank you for your concern. If you see a Wrangler (or Grand Cherokee) in CT or CA with dual tailpipes and big meats, it's probably me. Oh, and you'll have to turn up your stereo to hear it over my 40 series Flowmaster rumble. If it is me, you'll be reading my rear license plate...


Tas, just build it, and they will come.

Tas

I got a 40 series on my 4.2L. Sounds like a little mac truck DEFINATELY helped the top end a bunch. Best $70 I ever speant.

Howel has 50 state legal TBI kits for the 4.2L too. Maybe I can make it legal too I HATE my carb I got on there now.


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FastBroker

I didn't realize that you had/drove a Wrangler. I thought you were just gonna use the frame.

Don't spend any money on the 4.2 motor. Sell it and the tranny to a dealer and plop in a chevy 350 with a TH700 trans and OEM TBI system, as I kinda described above. I can help with the transfer case hookup but i think I have already crossed the lines of working on this board by talking Jeep so much...

if you are interested in the swap, I can give you more direction than you will ever need for free, Just ask.

Anyone, should I post my BIN as decribed in above post??? I have asked twice before and that makes this my third time. If no takers, three stikes YOU are out...

steve8586iroc

FastBroker, post it, and they will come!!!!!!

Tas

well I don't know about BINs and custom PROMS and stuff. I bet pablo would like it on file when he gets his new hardware in. I believe Snflupigus is getting into the PROM stuff too.

ya I haven't speant any money on the 4.2L for the money it would take to make it 50state legal and powerful I could do a v8 TBI swap for the same.

FastBroker

The bin I post will be for a 350, not a 305 like those guys have. I'm sure it'd work but just not work well. Good starting point, I suppose.

Can someone explain to me EXACTLY how I post and where I could post it???

Tas, my second home is Tiburon CA and yeah, CA is a PITA about emmissions!!! I literally bought a 1991 TBI truck motor COMPLETE to put in my Wrangler and swapped out whatever non-compliant motor for that motor for emmission check. PITA, man... But not that difficult as the enttire front clip of the Jeep comes off witha bout 30 of work so the engine compartment is WIDE open to work on stuff.

Actually, your picture is pretty cool. Not sure that you could get a Wrangler down that low, though, without it looking cheesy with VERY small tires. MAY Have to do some serious frame welding, suspension mods and possible axle swaps. Costly stuff. My Jeep has the ability to run the axles either above OR below the leaf springs for either the OEM look or a 6" lift look. Former for street stuff (now) latter for off-road adventures/racing. Not hard, either, just requires a whole other set of shocks and driveshafts and sway bar links, basically. That, and a lot of attention to brake lines and such. Oh, and some LARGER tires. Looks col high and stuf but getting too old for that look. Can't get away from a crowd when it's up there like that with the engine running. That and posi 35" tall 12" wide mud tire burnouts down the road used to get me into trouble a lot.

Jeep frame is strong and 2wd would be easier. I actually have 2WD now for drag season coming up just for laughs. Gonna line up at NJ (or Sear's Point on a Wed night) and see who I get...

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FastBroker

Tas, that picture is growing on me. It's making me want to LOWER my Jeep like that. Gotta help the horrid handling, too.

How did you make it? Some graphic designer's Computer program?

Tas

I use MS paint that comes with the computer to make it and I use Adobe Photoshop 4.0 to turn it into a .gif or .jpg

I got more pics:
http://members.tripod.com/GRK_Taz/wrangler.jpg
http://members.tripod.com/GRK_Taz/wrangler2.jpg
http://members.tripod.com/GRK_Taz/jeep-rod.jpg
http://members.tripod.com/GRK_Taz/jeep-rod2.gif
http://members.tripod.com/GRK_Taz/jeep-rod2b.gif
http://members.tripod.com/GRK_Taz/FormulaZeta.jpg
http://members.tripod.com/GRK_Taz/91zeta.jpg
http://members.tripod.com/GRK_Taz/small91Zeta.jpg
http://members.tripod.com/GRK_Taz/small91Zeta2.jpg




[This message has been edited by Tas (edited February 17, 2001).]

FastBroker

I'm only on he third pix in you rlist and LOVE it, man. i got the rims you got on that white Wrangler, Ultra's 10x15's with the steel hub inside the aluminum for strength...

You have the later model round-headlighted Wrangler which has the "higher up into the body" rear fender holes so the Jeep can be lowered about 2 inches more than my Wrangler model. I use Zenon 4" extened fenders because of my axle/tire combo and I guess I could just cut and raise them to match a later model Wrangler. Of just buy a rear clip off a boneyard or something. My rear is already "tubbed" (you know where, the humps in the rear next to the seat are fr the tires) to get the bigger meats in there if i so desire.

You gotta finish that jeep-rod.jpg picture and repost it. Gotta use smaller meats in the front. That rear suspension will have to be limited to about 1 inch compression from static height, eh? Gonna hurt he back bone. Keep the rear sway bar, too. It's a GOTTA HAVE.


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pimpintheRS

jeeps with GM engines are tight. The people around my town make some serious offroad jeeps.. we got the sand dunes the dunes star wars was filmed in with jaba's castle..
i dont race the jeeps around my town for some reason they like to put the th350 and big blocks or 383's and some 350's.. i try not to race them. jeeps dont suck your friends does.

FastBroker

Amen.

TMoNeE

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jeep cherokee? 12's?? please.

Keith5

I never said he was my friend.

It's all a matter of opinion, I still have no desire for a jeep. In any form, stock or modified.

But the newer yellow ones are kinda pretty.

Tas

You can get a v8 Grand Cherokee in the 11's. takes a lot of work though. Headwork, cam, Vortech...

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FastBroker

My GC would surely do 12's but I have not stripped it. Sorry Jeep bashers... My Wrangler is not far behind and faster than most of the numbers I see here, too. Sorry again.

Aduh, if you don't like Jeeps, don't buy one. And Don't Race Me, that's all.

If you drive one of mine, you'll be ear-2-ear smiles, I GUARANTEE IT!!!