nvm...

 

300 bucks ... uhmmm

OK.. here we go.. I had the option of having a shop do it too .. but I wanted it done fast.. even though I could have had it done through a hookup for CHEAP ....

Anyway... I got no regrets... it's the only way to learn.. to do it yourself


NOW... sometimes.. some parts may be SO STUCK that you may need powertools ... airtools .. to remove them... but most likely not engine parts... (I had to get a shop do my U-joints.. me and my buddy couldn't even get the bolts to move at all)


All ya need... is a cheap set of mechanic's tools ... for hmm 30 or 40 bucks... plus possible a breaker bar..... or a longer wrench

Ya may ... may .. be able to just rent a torque wrench

 

$300 dollar would get you a nice toolset from Sears (craftsman). Lifetime warranty. Tool breaks bring to sears and get a new one. Just glancing at online catalog I see nice 241piece set for $199. There is even an auto toolset for $40 wich will get more then likely get the job done. Comes in a carryingcase and all. Once job is over you will have up to $300 dollars worth of stuff or cash plus your car fixed. Being you don't have a new car under warranty it might be good to have your own tools later on to save you co$tly repair bills.

Shop repairs can go up quick. $300 can turn into $600 cause while they were replacing your intake and TB they found out you need a Waterpump(you mentioned car running hot) and so forth adding to the labor cost. Not trying to scare you just forwarning you of possibilities. Of course they won't go charging you extra without telling you first.

If you feel you are not mechanicaly inclined at all then by all means put it in the shop. But you will probably be surprised on how not that difficult the job really is. A $40 toolset to find out if you are or not isn't much to money spent to find out if you are or not. Tools are an investment. Knowledge of repairing your own car from doing it yourself is an investment.

Good luck...

 

Take this as an example .... I'm still working on my car... and noticing new things all the time .. this time I noticed.. I have NO timing tab .. lol ... and I spent an hour trying to find it ... finally decided to look at this forum.. and noticed.. that is is quite possible to be missing the timing tab


Rebuilding your transmission .. sure.. leave that to the shop


Anything that needs the use of powertools and you can no way get hold of any fine use the shop


Anything else which you may learn from try doing it yourself

 

Well I have no choice but to pay... me and my girlfriend were working on cleaning the engine bay... it came out nice!
Before


After (we used Engine Brite GUNK)








The thing is that I dont have the time to learn... I need this car fixed asap because it is my only car I have to drive it to work and back.. so I hope you all realize and understand my situation. Life sucks without a car.

 

yes finally arrived today!



Needs a good cleaning and rebuilding

 

Since im going to rebuildt it as soon as I get the TBI rebuild kit.. do I need any kind of gasket sealent for the TBI?

 

No, you won't need any RTV just to rebuild the TBI unit, the only other things you'll need is some ATF or motor oil to lube the o-rings and some carb cleaner to clean all the individual parts of TBI unit.


I think everyone here can understand that. We all have had to hand our cars over to professionals (well, some mechanics ) at some time or another.

 

Transported to my garage and ready for cleaning




Sprayed a little bit of TBI cleaner and began to work instantly




This TBI unit looks in waaay better shape than my original one
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Top and bottom view

 

Started taking apart the TBI unit and cleaning it as I went along







Does anyone recommend a good product to remove old gaskets? this one is hard to take off


Some Build up tried cleaning this with valvoline TBI cleaner but it is very hard any good products I can use?
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Build up hard to get out!!



Some spring..



Wrapped it up for the night!



90% cleaner!!! what a difference

 

Can let it soak in cleaner some to loosen up buildup. Gasket you can use razor scraper(careful not to gouge) and a gasket remover bought at parts store.

(edit) Didn't notice you having the injectors out in any of your pics. They will need to be popped out so you can put new o-rings in there.

 

Not really much to rebuilding a TB is there? Looking good. Don't throw out your old TB. You can use it to pratice the ultimate TB mods with comfort of knowing you can make a mistake and not pay the price.

Not sure on color code for injectors,But good time to DBL check ones you going to use to make sure they correct. Wrong ones can cause you some problems.

 

If you think those gaskets are hard to remove than you will hate cleaning the heads for your intake gaskets. I would buy some gasket remover/softener and let it soak for awhile. A small shot of PB blaster has roughly the same effect as well. A good razor gasket scraper is your best friend.

 

how do you pull off the injectors?

 

Just use 2 screwdrivers. Lay one across the injector on the injector pod to act as a pivot point and use the other flathead screwdriver to pry up on the center of the injector (kinda like a seesaw). It should pop right out. I tried to find a pic of how to do this, but I couldn't.

If you want a pic of this, just let me know and I'll take pics of my spare TBI unit to show you to do it.

 

You can also use Simple Green as a cleaner .. used to use it on my first ship... miss it ever since lol.. so I use it at home

Awesome .. cleans wheels... gets rid of dirt .. grease.. ya name it.. and biodegradable meaning ya can even use it in your laundry

 

Here ya' go. . .

RBob.

 

Psycho_91Camaro,

Can you please limit the number of pictures that you link into your threads? In addition to making it rather tedious to read the thread, it also isnt very nice to the users with slower connections. Doesnt bother me much as I have a high end PC with broadband but Im sure those with dial up wont like having to load 5 or 6 megs of pictures just to browse the thread.

 

Is it ok if I post tons of pics of my rebuild of a TBI.. but simply invert the colors of all pics ?




OK, seriously now, I'm doing same thing Psycho is doing, tonight, had to go to the junkyard and get a second TBI plus fuel lines ... yes... ya may have guessed by now... I managed to twist the return line... grrrrr

 

If you would like to start a new thread. We don't want to brach off of thise one and have many topics going on at once.

 

I was just kidding lol

 

speaking of something here .... now... any way one can test fuel injectors ?

Coz right now it looks like I'll rebuild the junkyard throttlebody but.. use the injectors from my current TBI, just because I know they at least work

 

Get it running yet? Hope all is going well.

 

Yes I sould get the car back today with everything that I asked fixed.

Keep in mind I got all the gaskets from my work PEP BOYS so He did'nt charge me for em.

 

Maybe I should get my *** busy and finish putting my **** together lol


hmmmm .. 300 for all that hmmm well... standard price I would say ... would of course be cheaper if the guy wouldn't count in the hours the RTV gotta sit and settle before one starts the engine

 

OK I got the car back today.. and I am not a happy customer right now. Here are the problems

1. It doesnt start up
2. I have to disconnect the injector connectors and connect them back up, in order to start the engine
3. I cant put in the original air cleaner because it hits a sparkplug wire and is causing some complications with the TBI.
4. When the car does start, it runs like **** it idles very low and when I step on the gas (floor it) it doesnt do ANYTHING!!! it seems like it lost all of its power it runs so slow and has little power, it maybe of timing, I dont know but I will have my brother or dad take the car back tommorow and have them fix this.
5. When the car is idle, I seen that it still sprays out gas out of the injectors is this normal?

Maybe it is all off timing? and causing all of this??? Even though they look and work all professional after this problem is resovled I will never take my camaro there again I will post pics when I get a chance, everything seems ok they installed the intake and TBI properly and very clean, it's just undriveable it turns off if I step on the gas too much, its redicuoulos.

 

AND THEY PLUGGED up one of the TBI pipes with ELECTRIC TAPE!!!!!!! this doesnt sound very professional....

 

It sounds like you took your car to some hacks. Chances are they didn't set the timing right. It sounds like it is time to do the job yourself. You can be certain that it is done right this time. At least set the timing yourself. I hope this work wasn't done by the same tech guys that gave you all your TBI advice.

 

Are you by any chance.. also LEAKING and gas from the fuel line going into the TBI .. or is that the one they wrapped with tape ?

Reason I'm asking ... Shifty pointed out something to me not long ago... regarding a teflon washer


Sounds like idle hmmmm could also be hmmm the IAC ?


Now how the hell can the air cleaner not fit ?? Just WHO did ya take the babe to ?

 

So when you started up the car to leave the shop and it ran like H*ll... what did they say could be the reason?

Electrical Tape... Sounds like a vaccum line... Show pic of this. If its the one that goes to the Air Cleaner, just simply go to the "HELP" section at pep boys and get a pack of Vaccum plugs and plug it or get some Vaccum line and run it to your air cleaner.

Air Cleaner not fitting.... There is a spacer ring that goes inbetween the Cleaner and TB. Sure a SEARCH or someone can post one for you here maybe. By the pics of the TB you have you shouldn't have no reason your Previous Air cleaner shouldn't fit.

Did you swap out those Sparkplugs? Can have one fouled out from a bad running motor you have before the Swap causing you some problems now.

Like Shifty said... Check the timming.

 

It is possible they dropped the dist back in wrong. Off by a tooth or two. Is very easy mistake many have done it. Though if this was the case they should of been able to realize it being they call themselves Pros. If this is the case they should be responsible for fixing it. Setting the timming I would think would be there responsibility also since they would have to remove the dist to do the swap and setting the timming is a must.

How many miles are on your motor btw?

 

about 0125XXX miles

 

I left my car at pep boys some guy I bought lunch is going to check the timing and if it is bad then he'll fix it.

 

Hey I have been reading your post following the troubles you have been having. I wish you the best of luck to you and getting your car running properly. If I lived near you I would help but it's a long drive from the east coast to the west coast. Once again best of luck. The only other thing I can say follow there advice they know whats going on.

 

I just got the car a few hours ago...and it now runs waaay better the mechanic fixed the timing he told me it was 10 degrees off!!!!!
I need to get a new cap and rotor and new spark plugs and spark plug wires..

 

Back two plugs on each side you are gonna want to change from underneath. Having timing order will help you do the job so here it is 1-8-4-3-6-5-7-2. Number one plug being on drivers side in front of the motor. Odds on one side Evens on other going front to back.

Trace that wire back to the cap. Mark on the old cap where it is attached to with something that you will be able to see. Scratching it with a screwdriver works good. Reason I say make sure to mark it where it wont rub off on old cap is so you know where the number one plug starts. Is to keep it on the safe side.

Good Luck!

 

10 degrees off ? Waow.. that's rather bad


I may need to advance my timing a bit ... babe's running real sluggish when I first start her up ... in the mornings .. could also be fuel related but ... idle is maybe just a tiny tiny bit low so I may advance it one degree this weekend

 

How do you advance it to 1 degree higher?

The Camaro now idles at about

5 | 10

between the 5hundred and the 1k RPM's

And when it is on drive its a bit higher than the middle is this how it is suppose to be?

 

Use setting timing procedures .. i.e. ... hook up timing light etc ... loosen distributor clamp down bolt .... start engine... rotate distributor (if you need the entire deal as to what to do ... let me know)


I'm going to wait until I fix the TBI and the fuel lines .. that way I'll know whether my problem is timing related or not .. right now it's running ok

 

That's about normal ... 750-800 ... something like that .. but I think for some people it works with maybe 2 degrees advanced.. some engines may need 4 ...

still figuring out which one my engine needs

 

Yeah once you do your tune-up then worry about your timing more. Right now If the guy checked it right, it should be good enough for now. Playing with the timming before you get those nasty plugs changed out is a bit pointless. You will still have same crappy plugs causing your car to not run up to par no matter where you advance your timing.

This is the reason I mentioned much earlier that you should swap them plugs out.

Timing...

https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/sho...+set+my+timing

 

Strife is 100 percent correct


Fix everything else first ... take my ride as an example *lol*.. each time my wife gets i nthe car she goes "raise the idle raise the idle" ... and I go "not until I've rebuilt my TBI and replaced the fuel lines .. replaced the sparkplugs.. and the cap and rotor"

My car does die on me every now and then.. but usually i nthe morning...

 

Tune up is now complete on my car!

accel spark plug wires
AC DELCO PLATINUM RAPDIDFIRE spark plugs
ACCEL CAP AND ROTOR
VALVOLINE 10w30
fram oil filter


Runs like a champ it now burns out!!! before it didnt

 

What a scare tonight!

I was going to take my g/f to hermosa beach just to go walk around and what not.... and as I drove I noticed the temp guage needle go up higher and higher to a dangeround 260 I then pulled over at redondo beach and I popped open the hood and saw boiling anti freeze inside the over flow tank!!!!!

I then turned off my car and turned the key to roll the windows down and I did not hear no fan go on or see it!!
So then I have to drive back to Torrance and have to stop along the way like 4 times!!! then when I get home I try fixing the cables cutting them and tieing them back together and nothing then I went back on THIRDGEN and saw some guys post on why his fan wasnt working and some guy responded, told him to check his fuses, So I run along back and check them and see this melted wire in the fuse box and I then remove it and replace it, PROBLEM FIXED!

no more boiling coolant.... I still need to get the fan relay re-wired properly. Since it turns on right when I turn the key

 

Ok, I made it through maybe ¾ of this thread but then skipped to the end because I couldn’t stand it any more…

1- you work at Pep Boys and you couldn’t find those parts??? FelPro still makes all the TBI gaskets for all the GM TBI setups that I know of… I just got in a set of gaskets for a crossfire setup at the shop last Friday, new felpros… the standard car, 2 barrel TBI parts are about a million times more common, and the intake manifold gaskets… well they’re the same for every SBC powered car ever made, hell, I probably have 2 or 3 sets sitting in the garage for no good reason. For that matter, the last time I got stuck working on my crossfire car and coincidently my L05 truck in the middle of the night when I couldn’t get new gaskets I ended up tracing the originals out on a set of gasket paper and cut them out with an x-acto knife, and they worked fine.
2- You work at a parts store and your brother at a hotrod shop and you’re asking these questions??? How do the 2 of you keep from getting fired? Even our clueless monkeys around here don’t appear to be as clueless as you are, and I’m in no way trying to be mean or something here, I really can’t believe this. I mean I REALLY CAN’T BELIEVE THIS.

As far as the drilled holes in the throttle body castings… they appear to be just in the flange surface outside of the main part of the casting. There is not fuel flowing through that part of the casting and there isn’t even anything to leak there, it’s outside the gasketed surfaces entirely.

As far as I can tell from those pictures the thing doesn’t really need anything but a thorough cleaning, to be properly tuned/checked out and _possibly_ a few gaskets. I can’t really tell from the pics, but the oil leak doesn’t even appear to be serious enough that most of us would bother fixing it unless we literally had nothing better to do or had some other reason to pull the manifold, the coolant leak, well it’s just a matter of pulling that thermostat housing and figuring out why some jackass loaded it with RTV, and I’m not really sure that there is a problem with the TB that requires more then some cleaning and checking a few of the screws.

 

Careful what you say about Him 83,he will say something about your mom,wife or something like that.

https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/sho...hreadid=312045

 

So who did the tuneup ? Who changed the sparkplugs ?

 

Me and my brother did the tune up.

In responde to, 83
My brother is not a mechanic, he works on bodys and is a metal fabricater.

I work at PEP BOYS cause I was bored one day and decided to apply while I was on this forum..and got the job as a deliver driver.

The Car is now running good everything is good again all it needs is a new starter and maybe later alternator.


So shut your mouth son. Ill post some pics tonight

 

That sounds so much better when you imagine Chris Tucker saying it.