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Old 04-26-2013 | 10:23 AM
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Re: Those with... Ground control Weight Jacks

Rawley2- they didn't ask me a lot of questions either. I pretty much knew what I wanted. I let them choose the spring rates for me and questioned the 250 rears very thuroughly. They were sure about there recommendations so I went with it.

Midnight- I should explain a little better. With the car in the air the suspension will extend past stock height. I have some adjustment left but I'm well into the point of adjustment where I'm only compressing the spring and I was nervous to go any further cause of how that will effect the springs performance and function. I could probably get the car higher but it would hurt the springs performance and function being that compressed. I can't see mine ever being at stock height or higher. Are your tops seated properly in the k member? I had some trouble getting them to stay put before I extended the adjusters.

For those who read this, I did not need a spring compressor to install these. The springs and adjusters go in and stay loose until you adjust them. I had to double and triple check they were in the right place when i set the car down. You could adjust them to be tight before you set the car down but i wanted to see what mine looked like slammed.

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Old 04-26-2013 | 12:44 PM
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Re: Those with... Ground control Weight Jacks

Originally Posted by plum92_camaro
Rawley2- they didn't ask me a lot of questions either. I pretty much knew what I wanted. I let them choose the spring rates for me and questioned the 250 rears very thuroughly. They were sure about there recommendations so I went with it.

Midnight- I should explain a little better. With the car in the air the suspension will extend past stock height. I have some adjustment left but I'm well into the point of adjustment where I'm only compressing the spring and I was nervous to go any further cause of how that will effect the springs percormance and function. I could probably get the car higher but it would hurt the springs performance and function being that compressed. I can't see mine ever being at stock height or higher. Are your tops seated properly in the k member? I had some trouble getting them to stay put before I extended the adjusters.

For those who read this, I did not need a spring compressor to install these. The springs and adjusters go in and stay loose until you adjust them. I had to double and triple check they were in the right place when i set the car down. You could adjust them to be tight before you set the car down but i wanted to see what mine looked like slammed.
Ohhh now I gotcha. I did have the springs somewhat compressed/ pre loaded by the adjuster to get it that high (and I still had some adjustment left to go higher! Donk status lol), but the factory springs are compressed in there anyway and a lot of people with true coilovers put a little preload on the springs so I don't think there's much harm in it, other than that there is probably very little travel before coil bind and the effective rate would be higher. If I were to run at stock height all the time I'd go with 9.5" springs to prevent that. 1" lower to just above the bump stops is probably the best range with 8"ers.

That's how I installed mine too and I don't think you could actually get them in with a spring compressor even if you wanted to since the threaded rod from the compressor would hit the threaded rod on the adjuster.

And I'm pretty sure it's actually part of the installation procedure to set the car down at full low and snap some pictures.

(Rears weren't on yet)

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Old 04-26-2013 | 08:58 PM
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Re: Those with... Ground control Weight Jacks

Do you guys think I could get 1" drop with the 9.5" springs?

They never answered my email today and I was working all day so I could not call.
Old 05-01-2013 | 10:05 PM
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Well mine where shipped today with 9.5 springs. He told me they only sell them with 9.5 springs??

Also switched my front springs to 900 lbs because they did not have 850 in stock. I will do a build thread on the suspension rebuild once I get started.
Old 05-02-2013 | 07:43 AM
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That's interesting. I believe my 850s were 8". I will be looking forward to your build thread. I get to test my suspension this Saturday if the weather holds up, FIRST AUTOX of the year! If your like me you may like the 900s. I can vouch that the 850s have a good ride. Not to harsh. Very sports car ride.

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Old 05-02-2013 | 10:42 AM
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Re: Those with... Ground control Weight Jacks

Originally Posted by rawley2
Well mine where shipped today with 9.5 springs. He told me they only sell them with 9.5 springs??

Also switched my front springs to 900 lbs because they did not have 850 in stock. I will do a build thread on the suspension rebuild once I get started.
They told me and several other members on here that almost all of the cars use 8" springs. I love GC but they make parts for a really wide range of vehicles and unlike UMI, BMR and Spohn they don't specialize in third gens, so it'd be nice if they'd give consistent info lol. I'm sure you'll be fine though, Stephen, DBL_TKE and Crazyhawaiian have had 9.5"s and that's the route I would probably go if I did it over again.

Originally Posted by plum92_camaro
That's interesting. I believe my 850s were 8". I will be looking forward to your build thread. I get to test my suspension this Saturday if the weather holds up, FIRST AUTOX! If your like me you may like the 900s. I can vouch that the 850s have a good ride. Not to harsh. Very sports car ride.
Make sure you get pics and video of it!
Old 05-04-2013 | 06:09 PM
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Re: Those with... Ground control Weight Jacks

Some pictures to add.

As you can see my weight jacks are longer (more adjustment) than any I have seen on this forum before.

I am worried they sent me the WRONG FRONT SPRINGS. I have not had it apart yet but I am about 90% sure I need a flat side for my lower control arm (A-arm) and I also need one for the weight jack??

I should be past this already but it rained yesterday and was cold all morning. I have over 130 hours of vacation so I may take some next week to do this unless the springs are wrong.

The springs they sent only have one flat side.

Here are some pictures.
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Old 05-04-2013 | 06:13 PM
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More pics!

Please someone let me know if they are the right springs or not.
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Old 05-04-2013 | 06:18 PM
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Re: Those with... Ground control Weight Jacks

Originally Posted by rawley2
Some pictures to add.

As you can see my weight jacks are longer (more adjustment) than any I have seen on this forum before.

I am worried they sent me the WRONG FRONT SPRINGS. I have not had it apart yet but I am about 90% sure I need a flat side for my lower control arm (A-arm) and I also need one for the weight jack??

I should be past this already but it rained yesterday and was cold all morning. I have over 130 hours of vacation so I may take some next week to do this unless the springs are wrong.

The springs they sent only have one flat side.

Here are some pictures.
You pictures look fine. The bottom of the spring is suppose to have a helix shape to fit into the A-arm index. You put the weightjack on top with the large part up against the spring can up top- and the bolt leangth of the weight jacker comes down through the center of the spring. You use a long socket extention to reach the adjustment bolt from underneath the A-arm up through the spring.
Old 05-04-2013 | 06:34 PM
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You pictures look fine. The bottom of the spring is suppose to have a helix shape to fit into the A-arm index. You put the weightjack on top with the large part up against the spring can up top- and the bolt leangth of the weight jacker comes down through the center of the spring. You use a long socket extention to reach the adjustment bolt from underneath the A-arm up through the spring.
Ok so what I'm calling the flat side goes to the weight jack.

The drawing they sent showed both sides flat? But they where also for Mustangs and 3rd gens.
Old 05-04-2013 | 06:36 PM
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Re: Those with... Ground control Weight Jacks

Yours look just like mine. Like stg said, flat side up so the adjuster sits on it with threads down through center. The lil bump goes in the space at the end of the coil. The open end of the coil is for the index "pocket" in the a arm. The suspension how to sticky shows this very well. I thought you were getting 9.5" springs? What does your invoice say? I think you'll be fine with 8" fronts especially with 900# springs. I'm satisfied with mine.
Old 05-04-2013 | 06:49 PM
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I thought you were getting 9.5" springs? What does your invoice say? I think you'll be fine with 8" fronts especially with 900# springs. I'm satisfied with mine.
I will go look for the sticky. I am sure I read it but forgot about it.

They did not send an invoice with them the one they emailed I posted earlier in this thread and they where 9.5 springs. LOL

The guy (Jay I think) told me they only sell them with 9.5 springs. We can see that's wrong. I am happy with all the adjustment.

Hope I get to start this job in the morning. Resealed the PS pump today and took the steering gear off. I am going through it tonight I hope if the Bud light lets me. LOL

So I guess even with their top notch customer service they screw up just like the rest of them.

At least the springs are right.
Old 05-05-2013 | 10:05 AM
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I am pleased with their product and customer service but i know what you mean. They just don't seem to have their act together. Jay was the tech that i talked to also. i think he is their "f-body guy". Either way i would buy from them again.

When i ordered mine, when they arrived the powdercoat on the springs was all chipped up. I called them, they said they had a bad batch of powder coat and some springs looked fine but didn't survive shipping. Sent a pic at their request, and they sent me a new set. 2 weeks later i still hadn't seen any springs. I called, they said they didn't have 2 rear spings for me (why they would have an odd number of any spring in stock confused me but whatever) so i politely said "ok, please let me know next time there is an issue and when will you have some?" They said they would go ahead and send new fronts so i could get the front together and i could use the rears i had till they could get me new ones. they said since the powdercoat was bad they weren't worried about me messing them up. So then i got a tracking # and 3 days later it stilled showed as "ready for pick up". so i called again and asked what was up, they said they would check and get back to me. the next day they called and said it was still in shipping department, somehow it got misplaced or overlooked. They sent me a new tracking number and a few days later all 4 new springs showed up. That was nice to see since they were only planning to send me 2 new fronts. but they forgot to send a return shipping tag. So i called them up, thanked them for getting me all four springs and told them i didn't get the return label for the other springs so they emailed me one on the spot.

so like i said, its a great product and they did take care of me but didn't seem to have their act together.

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Old 05-05-2013 | 04:41 PM
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so like i said, its a great product and they did take care of me but didn't seem to have their act together.

That is how I feel also.

With that said it seems I have had problems with just about all the after market suppliers at one time or another.

About the only after market suppliers I never had problems with are PAW (yea back in the day, showing my age. LOL), Summit and Jegs.
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That is how I feel also.

With that said it seems I have had problems with just about all the after market suppliers at one time or another.

About the only after market suppliers I never had problems with are PAW (yea back in the day, showing my age. LOL), Summit and Jegs.
with the part about the suppliers.
Old 05-14-2013 | 05:00 PM
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Well I cant compare the 850 springs to my 900 in the front but I will tell you this thing will GET-ER-DONE!!

I cant even begin to tell you just how bad *** it is now.

Keep in mine I came from sloppy everything that was 26 years old this July to new everything including Koni yellows, Del-A-Aum, moog every thing else, Founders stuff.

The shocks are on the soft setting and WOW. I'm pretty sure I can run down a Lambo. LOL

Heck with it I am going out to crank the shocks up and take another ride. Will report back........
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Well I cant compare the 850 springs to my 900 in the front but I will tell you this thing will GET-ER-DONE!!

I cant even begin to tell you just how bad *** it is now.

Keep in mine I came from sloppy everything that was 26 years old this July to new everything including Koni yellows, Del-A-Aum, moog every thing else, Founders stuff.

The shocks are on the soft setting and WOW. I'm pretty sure I can run down a Lambo. LOL

Heck with it I am going out to crank the shocks up and take another ride. Will report back........

its night and day difference from my 21yr old/ 180k miles suspension to this. The ride is very sports car with the 850's and the koni's turned all the way down but still very nice. Makes me wonder how much higher spring rates i could go before i don't like it. Haven't got to track it yet due to weather but hopefully Sunday. My first autoX with a orange cone coarse. Group I've always run with races on an old go-kart track.

Glad your setup is treating you so well. I'm guessing you got it aligned today? Im anxious to hear if you gained any time on the track. Have you done the rear yet? What did you end up setting your ride height at? My fender lip is at 25 5/8" front. I haven't done the rear yet. I need shocks and adjustable panhard.

Post them pictures!!!


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Old 05-14-2013 | 06:35 PM
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Re: Those with... Ground control Weight Jacks

Still no rear. I hope to do that this weekend. I have everything just need time.

I know this is going to sound crazy but I tell you it rides smoother. Really it does!!

I really need to get to a track to tell if turning the struts up helps. On the street you can tell but I am not sure if I am not out driving my tires on any setting. Who the heck am I kidding. I am out driving my tires. LOL (Sorry, Cooper Tires but I know you will recommend me some better ones.)

I have the front at 26.5"

Pictures are all on my phone still except the few I posted of the weight jacks when I thought I had the wrong springs. LOL, I plan on doing a build thread with them soon.

Hint: My trick for the Del-A-Lum was a cutting torch to remove the old sleeves. Was way faster than all the other things I read. Took me like 5 min to have them all out.
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