Suspension and Chassis Questions about your suspension? Need chassis advice?

Tubbing

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 11-27-2008, 09:27 PM
  #1  
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
SuperChevyZ28's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 12
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Tubbing

I am Wondering how much work is involved in tubbing the rear end to tuck at lease 315's, how much would it cost and what all has to be done.
Old 11-28-2008, 01:50 AM
  #2  
Supreme Member

iTrader: (3)
 
drknow90rs_ss@y's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Wittman,Az
Posts: 3,002
Received 61 Likes on 56 Posts
Car: 86 IROC-Z, '71 RS
Engine: 305 TPI/ 350
Transmission: 700R4/TH350
Re: Tubbing

I am getting ready to mini-tub my 85 T/A and the best thing I've seen is this thread: https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/fabr...t-started.html
It is a truly awesome and informative thread.
I will be putting a 335/35/19 under there (I think.)
Good luck!
Old 11-28-2008, 08:28 AM
  #3  
Supreme Member

iTrader: (14)
 
greezemonkey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: The "D"
Posts: 1,761
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Car: A Portly 85 Z28
Engine: 4.530 X 4.250 BBC
Transmission: under rated for this application
Axle/Gears: also under rated
Re: Tubbing

Thank you, it worked out good for me, I went a bit over board on the cutting but it`s just a drag car. For a street car I would leave the outer portion of the stock wheel well, no need to cut it unless your stuffing a huge tire and lowering it to the weeds. I`m going to add that info and a good before and after shot.
Old 11-28-2008, 08:46 AM
  #4  
Supreme Member

iTrader: (15)
 
//<86TA>\\'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Central NJ
Posts: 12,665
Likes: 0
Received 50 Likes on 48 Posts
Car: 86 Trans Am, 92 Firebird
Engine: 408 sbc, 3.1L of raw power
Transmission: TKO600, T5
Axle/Gears: Moser 9", 3:70 trutac, 3:23 torsion
Re: Tubbing

Originally Posted by SuperChevyZ28
I am Wondering how much work is involved in tubbing the rear end to tuck at lease 315's, how much would it cost and what all has to be done.
315 what? a 315/35/17 fits with minimal work, a slick or DR in that size is a different story.
Old 11-28-2008, 06:53 PM
  #5  
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
SuperChevyZ28's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 12
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Re: Tubbing

with a 315 a don't think you could get them to tuck inside the lip and you would have to cut some other metal from inside the wheel well which aint no big deal, But what would all have to be done if i wanted 315/35R18's in the back with it being lowered 2-1.5"
Old 11-28-2008, 07:12 PM
  #6  
Supreme Member

iTrader: (3)
 
drknow90rs_ss@y's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Wittman,Az
Posts: 3,002
Received 61 Likes on 56 Posts
Car: 86 IROC-Z, '71 RS
Engine: 305 TPI/ 350
Transmission: 700R4/TH350
Re: Tubbing

You are welcome, greezemonkey! It's an awesome thread with a lot of info! I will be airbagging my T/A and stuffing a turbocharged 383 in there(800 HP, est), so I will need a lot of tire in order to have any kind of traction! I have seen a 315/35/17 on these cars with minimal work, but the wheel offset has to be PERFECT! LOL
Old 11-28-2008, 07:18 PM
  #7  
Supreme Member

iTrader: (15)
 
//<86TA>\\'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Central NJ
Posts: 12,665
Likes: 0
Received 50 Likes on 48 Posts
Car: 86 Trans Am, 92 Firebird
Engine: 408 sbc, 3.1L of raw power
Transmission: TKO600, T5
Axle/Gears: Moser 9", 3:70 trutac, 3:23 torsion
Re: Tubbing

same work. Lowering the car will require an adjustable panhard bar, and adjustable lower control arms would be a good idea too.

What is your definition of "tuck"? to be completely inside of the fender lip or just not out past it?

Im running 335/30/18's on the rear and the outside of the tire sits about 1/2" in from the outside of the car, which is what i feel to be, a perfect spot. However, it required a full mini-tub and some other custom work. making a 315 tuck like that would require almost as much work. You will have to cut and reshape the front of the wheel well, and remove the bumpstop area completely and rebuild that area as well. You will also have to run an aftermarket tubular set of lower control arms to clear the tires if you want to bring them more inboard that just flush with the side of the car.

What you can do is this. Remove a rear wheel. Get a straight edge about 26" long and a tape measure. Now, for the 315 tire you would want a, 11" wheel, and i get it siting in a good spot you would want 7.5" of backspacing from the face of the rotor/drum.

Lay the straight edge across the rotor/drum and measure back 7.5", that will show you the extent of what needs to be removed and modified. Keep in mind, that is where the rim will be and does not take into consideration where the tire will be, and after that you still need some breathing room for axle movement.

When i did mine, i used a totally measurement of 9.625" from the face of the rotor to my cut line. Im using a wheel with 8.5" of back spacing, i added 1/4" for tire bulge, leaving me 3/4" of extra room for axle movement, and .125" for the sheetmetal that i used to rebuild the side of the frame that i cut off and to form the inside of the new wheel well. This much cutting required relocating the springs or using coil-overs and using offset rear control arms. I dont think you will have to do that with a 315.

I found that i needed 1/2" minimum clearance from the tire to the inside wheel well to keep the tire from rubbing when i throw the car around.
----------
Originally Posted by drknow90rs_ss@y
I have seen a 315/35/17 on these cars with minimal work, but the wheel offset has to be PERFECT! LOL
yea its a pretty common size, but they never "tuck" under the car, they are always flush with the side of the fender, not quite right in my book.

Last edited by //<86TA>\\; 11-28-2008 at 07:21 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
Old 11-29-2008, 11:24 AM
  #8  
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
SuperChevyZ28's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 12
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Re: Tubbing

Thanks for the info; I am planning on putting an intire setup of spohn suspention; panhard, control arms, sway bars, coilovers, basically the intire suspension front and back and all adjustable and chromoly. With your tire sticking out that much do you get any rubbing also is your car lowered. If you have any pictures could you possible post some. Thanks
Old 11-29-2008, 12:10 PM
  #9  
Supreme Member

iTrader: (15)
 
//<86TA>\\'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Central NJ
Posts: 12,665
Likes: 0
Received 50 Likes on 48 Posts
Car: 86 Trans Am, 92 Firebird
Engine: 408 sbc, 3.1L of raw power
Transmission: TKO600, T5
Axle/Gears: Moser 9", 3:70 trutac, 3:23 torsion
Re: Tubbing

i have no rubbing at all, anywhere. and the tire does not "stick out"

its lowered a bit.
Name:  PIC00027-3.jpg
Views: 2067
Size:  47.3 KB
Name:  PIC00031-2.jpg
Views: 764
Size:  45.2 KB


both these pics are pretty much straight down the wheel, so you can see where it sits.

ride height
Name:  PIC00018-1-1.jpg
Views: 897
Size:  85.5 KB

Last edited by //<86TA>\\; 11-29-2008 at 12:13 PM. Reason: wrong pic
Old 11-29-2008, 12:31 PM
  #10  
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
SuperChevyZ28's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 12
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Re: Tubbing

That is gorgeous that is what i exactly want. Thanks for all your help
Old 11-29-2008, 02:57 PM
  #11  
Supreme Member

iTrader: (15)
 
//<86TA>\\'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Central NJ
Posts: 12,665
Likes: 0
Received 50 Likes on 48 Posts
Car: 86 Trans Am, 92 Firebird
Engine: 408 sbc, 3.1L of raw power
Transmission: TKO600, T5
Axle/Gears: Moser 9", 3:70 trutac, 3:23 torsion
Re: Tubbing

no problem, but like i said, get a tape measure and a straight edge, pull a wheel and see where you stand as far as clearance. It will give you a visual to work off of.
Old 11-30-2008, 01:51 AM
  #12  
Supreme Member

iTrader: (3)
 
drknow90rs_ss@y's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Wittman,Az
Posts: 3,002
Received 61 Likes on 56 Posts
Car: 86 IROC-Z, '71 RS
Engine: 305 TPI/ 350
Transmission: 700R4/TH350
Re: Tubbing

My definition of "tuck" has always been that the axle/suspension can travel all the way to the bumpstops and not have the wheel/tire come into contact with anything. I definately recommend an adjustable panhard rod for lowering purposes.
Old 12-03-2008, 06:37 PM
  #13  
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
SuperChevyZ28's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 12
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Re: Tubbing

Did you have to move your shock mounts if you run coil overs. also Did you get your rear end narowed.
Old 12-03-2008, 06:59 PM
  #14  
Supreme Member

iTrader: (15)
 
//<86TA>\\'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Central NJ
Posts: 12,665
Likes: 0
Received 50 Likes on 48 Posts
Car: 86 Trans Am, 92 Firebird
Engine: 408 sbc, 3.1L of raw power
Transmission: TKO600, T5
Axle/Gears: Moser 9", 3:70 trutac, 3:23 torsion
Re: Tubbing

Originally Posted by SuperChevyZ28
Did you have to move your shock mounts if you run coil overs. also Did you get your rear end narowed.
im using the rear coil-over setup from Spohn, it mounts in the stock shock location.
the rear is stock width.
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
dennisbernal91z
Fabrication
29
03-02-2017 12:04 PM
dennisbernal91z
Wheels and Tires
9
09-06-2015 11:12 AM
SATURN5
Power Adders
8
10-27-2002 08:04 AM
transam84
Suspension and Chassis
3
07-12-2002 02:58 PM
superiroc
Suspension and Chassis
3
04-30-2001 03:48 PM



Quick Reply: Tubbing



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:38 PM.