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Old 10-12-2007, 11:23 PM
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Mufflex 4" and 17x11 zr1s installed

here are some shots of how i was able to tuck in the 17x11s in the rear, nothing seems that close to rubbing so i havnt hammered anything...yet Im also gonna roll the fenders asap.
Mufflex 4" and 17x11 zr1s installed-dscn0263.jpg

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Mufflex 4" and 17x11 zr1s installed-dscn0265.jpg
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Re: Mufflex 4" and 17x11 zr1s installed

what size tire? 315? mine seem to stick out a bit more. what size spacer did you use? Maybe I just need to play with my panhard bar (car is out of commision at the moment)
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Re: Mufflex 4" and 17x11 zr1s installed

its a 315 tire with a 50mm offset and a 1" spacer... im also REALLY close to the lca and was thinking about getting tubular ones just to be on the safe side
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Re: Mufflex 4" and 17x11 zr1s installed

Do you have the stock 3rd gen rear end? I'm asking because I have a 4th gen rear, and its about the same as a 1" spacer. You can make LCAs that are offset to the inside of the car so that you have more clearance.
Looks awesome, btw.
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Re: Mufflex 4" and 17x11 zr1s installed

looks really good! thats what i want to do with mine... right now i have 17x8 SLP hyperblacks with 245/45/17 nitto 555s and they arent nearly wide enough for me

what would i have to do to get them to fit... what are the specs on the front and rear rim demensions/ offsets/spacers/ backspacing/tire sizes w/e
im also sporting sportlines and your setup would look amazing on mine.

looks really good lol i love it.
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Re: Mufflex 4" and 17x11 zr1s installed

the difficult part about my setup is that I have a ktre 12 bolt so I have no idea whether it was built to 3rd or 4th gen specs or something in between. I would imagine you would definately have to use a bfh on the inner fenderwell in order to get them to fit with sportlines. but i was able to get the perfect size spacer by setting the wheel on pieces of wood where I wanted it to sit in the fenderwell (as far in as possible with at least 1/2 inch clearance between fenderwell, lca etc.) This was obviously with a jack under the axle and not the body of the car. When the wheel was where i wanted it, i just measured the space between the hub and brake rotor and it was exactly 1". i wish i could drop mine but the mufflex y pipe and hooker lts are too low, good luck your setup will look slick.

Wait I missed that you have longtubes and true duals! how is your ground clearance with the sportlines?
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Re: Mufflex 4" and 17x11 zr1s installed

I had my wheel wells trimmed when the car was in the body shop. You know where the quater panel mounts to the uni-body? The auto body guy cut that down to be flush with the quater body. Got about 1/8-3/8 of an inch off the quarter. No more rubbing with the stockers on the 4th gen rear.
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Re: Mufflex 4" and 17x11 zr1s installed

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the difficult part about my setup is that I have a ktre 12 bolt so I have no idea whether it was built to 3rd or 4th gen specs or something in between. I would imagine you would definately have to use a bfh on the inner fenderwell in order to get them to fit with sportlines. but i was able to get the perfect size spacer by setting the wheel on pieces of wood where I wanted it to sit in the fenderwell (as far in as possible with at least 1/2 inch clearance between fenderwell, lca etc.) This was obviously with a jack under the axle and not the body of the car. When the wheel was where i wanted it, i just measured the space between the hub and brake rotor and it was exactly 1". i wish i could drop mine but the mufflex y pipe and hooker lts are too low, good luck your setup will look slick.

Wait I missed that you have longtubes and true duals! how is your ground clearance with the sportlines?
My zr1's are wrapped in 315 with 1" spacers as well, on eibach sportlines and I have no rubbing issues. Just a fyi.
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Re: Mufflex 4" and 17x11 zr1s installed

well i had true duals before the sportline swap, i wanted to lower the car tho and i was putting in new struts/shocks etc as well and the true duals woulda been on the ground with the sportlines.... so i had to heavily modify the undercarrage of the car. the headman longtubes tuck up nice but its a tight fit with an auto so i notched the stock subframes alil more than 3" so that i could run 3" headman header extensions right off the collector and what this did was tuck it up against the floor of the car and the extensions where Sbends so it pushed the exhaust to the sides of the car sorta and allowed my to clear the trans no prob, i then ran a 3" universal Xpipe from summit right off the extensions and the 3" mufflers with turndowns are connected right to the xpipe.

with the car lowered the exhaust doesnt sit lower than the deep trans pan. the lowest part is the mufflers bc they are right against the floor, when i replace the fuel lines etc and run new lines somewhere else im gona cut into the floor and tuck them up even more.

dont cut the stock subframes unless u got subframes installed tho.
clearance isnt bad but when i tuck the mufflers up i they wont hit ever. the sportlines really lower the car alot... i cant get a jack under the car to lift it lol i have to get a low profile aluminum race jack to get it started then get a real jack under it. the front crossmember is like 4" or less from the ground.



kinda looks like this the exhaust
header collector
l l
/ \ Sbend extensions
l_ _l
\ / Xpipe extesions to xpipe from Sbends
\ /
X Xpipe
/ \ xpipe extensions to muffler
l l
-- --
l_l l_l mufflers
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wat are specs for a 315" tire on a 17x11 rim to fit the front?

and wat the the specs on your rear rims?

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Re: Mufflex 4" and 17x11 zr1s installed

sorry if i didnt make it clear, i have 275s up front. but the 315s in the rear are on an 11" rim with a 50mm offset (7.93 backspace) with a 1" spacer. I think the sportlines are out of the question for me because my mufflex y sits a little low as it is (ive also heard that the hedmans have betters gc than the hookers also). im sure my car would look awesome slammed though. 17x11s up front require extreme modifications. the 17x9.5s I have up front are very close to the tire rod as well as the strut.
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oh ok thanks. ive heard the 4" mufflex and it sounds pretty mean. but its a huge tube lol.

whats the specs on your front rim as well?
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Re: Mufflex 4" and 17x11 zr1s installed

my fronts are 17x9.5 with a 56mm offset and a 2.25 inch spacer... on a side note, the ground literally shakes when you stand next to the tailpipe
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Re: Mufflex 4" and 17x11 zr1s installed

What part of MD are you from? Do you go to the track at all?

Btw...thats one of the best 315 "tucks" ive seen. Most people's 315s stick out a good 1/4-1/2" further.
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Re: Mufflex 4" and 17x11 zr1s installed

Im in the bethesda area, and i havnt been to the track yet; my car still needs a lot of work, i just got it running a couple months ago and have been really busy with work and school. hopefully i can finish the car over the winter and take it for a test and tune in the spring. do you go to MIR? RIR?
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MIR and capitol. Im in the same boat as you right now. Hope to have everything done and ready for the spring.
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Re: Mufflex 4" and 17x11 zr1s installed

ha i love when our cars do that... my ***** vibrate 3 feet from the car.

wat are the bolt pattern specs on the rims too lol sry i just dont wanna mess anything up.
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Re: Mufflex 4" and 17x11 zr1s installed

haha they are a 5 lug 4.75" pattern
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Re: Mufflex 4" and 17x11 zr1s installed

kurplunk318- what school you go to? your pretty close to me i like in weaton aera and go to school in rockville it would be coo to see your car in person
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Re: Mufflex 4" and 17x11 zr1s installed

i go to catholic university but i live at home in bethesda, hit me up on aim this week and come see it, wheaton is real close
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my aim is toxik iroc what yours?
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very sexy! those the drag radials?

looking sweet!
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yeah they are the nitto DRs
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Re: Mufflex 4" and 17x11 zr1s installed

deffinitely looks good man!

- Have you checked clearance between the wheel and the bumpstops at full droop? Mine is about the same as yours, maybe a hair further out and I had to trim & BFH the bumpstops a bit so that they wouldn't contact the wheel at full droop.

Yes, the headman LT's are closer to the car than the hookers(more ground clearance). I too was running true duals w/o any problems, but I had 2x2 box welded full length through the floor boards thus allowing me to completely cut the factory front subframe out from the firewall back. I also had no rear seats(all stereo), thus I cut the humps out and tucked my mufflers up out of sight. - if you do a search I posted a thread w/ pics on the exhaust forum a couple years ago.
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Re: Mufflex 4" and 17x11 zr1s installed

yeah the wheels hit the bump stops at full droop so im gonna have to go in there at some point and do some cutting and pounding, sounds like you had to do a lot of work to get those duals in, for right now im pretty happy with the ground clearance i have with the hookers, just have to be real careful on speed bumps, thanks for all the compliments
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Re: Mufflex 4" and 17x11 zr1s installed

With the 4 in mufflex, did you keep your heat shields in back or did you have to take them out? Thanks.
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Re: Mufflex 4" and 17x11 zr1s installed

both rear ones are there... had to bend them a bit, i am about to take out the shield for the cat
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Re: Mufflex 4" and 17x11 zr1s installed

kerplunk318 - Do you have any pictures of the bottom of your car (or side shots) showing the mufflex system installed and the ground clearance?

Thanks
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Re: Mufflex 4" and 17x11 zr1s installed

nah sorry i dont, and the car wont be comin out for a couple months... but i can tell you that the lowest point is where the ypipe goes under the trans crossmember... its about 3" of gc. a muffler shop should easlily be able to tuck it another inch. surprising i dont scrape over regular speed bumps, but thats crawling

very happy and impressed with mufflex out of the box
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Re: Mufflex 4" and 17x11 zr1s installed

I appreciate the feedback I have been debating that system for some time now. They sure sound great
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Re: Mufflex 4" and 17x11 zr1s installed

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here are some shots of how i was able to tuck in the 17x11s in the rear, nothing seems that close to rubbing so i havnt hammered anything...yet Im also gonna roll the fenders asap.
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is there somewhere that i cans ee more pics of your car?
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Re: Mufflex 4" and 17x11 zr1s installed

I am liking the 11 on the rear........ might have to look into this for mine
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Re: Mufflex 4" and 17x11 zr1s installed

Originally Posted by 19doug90
is there somewhere that i cans ee more pics of your car?

sorry theyre cropped funny the files are too big... i may do pictures on a site at some point, just not right now
Attached Thumbnails Mufflex 4" and 17x11 zr1s installed-dscn0259.jpg   Mufflex 4" and 17x11 zr1s installed-dsc01233-copy.jpg   Mufflex 4" and 17x11 zr1s installed-dsc01049.jpg  
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Re: Mufflex 4" and 17x11 zr1s installed

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sorry theyre cropped funny the files are too big... i may do pictures on a site at some point, just not right now
awesome, was hoping to see a side shot like that

as a sugestion photobucket.com is a super easy place to host pics

good for linking to as well
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Re: Mufflex 4" and 17x11 zr1s installed

kerplunk, my buddy has 4 wheels off of a 2002 corvette, would these be the same size as what you have? also, if i got his wheels, considering their the same as yours, what would i have to do to make them fit? how much were your spacers and where did you get them? thanks
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Re: Mufflex 4" and 17x11 zr1s installed

Originally Posted by chevyrules85
kerplunk, my buddy has 4 wheels off of a 2002 corvette, would these be the same size as what you have? also, if i got his wheels, considering their the same as yours, what would i have to do to make them fit? how much were your spacers and where did you get them? thanks

if theyre the stockers off an '02 vette they are not the same as mine. most likely they are 8.5 or 9.5 inches wide.

http://www.skulte.com/adapterfaq.html

read up on this page... should tell you exactly what you need to know
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Re: Mufflex 4" and 17x11 zr1s installed

JUST

That has got to be one, if not the best, rear shot of 315's.
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Re: Mufflex 4" and 17x11 zr1s installed

Impressive. I was doing some research to find rims offered in those sizes and stumbled across aftermarket ZR1 rims. I'm posting because, it looks like that 12 bolt rearend is similar in width to a 4th Gen rearend and here is why.

The +50mm offset wheels also fit (rear only) 1993-2003 Camaro, Z28, Trans-Am and Firebird coupes (do not fit on Convertibles)- work on cars with stock suspension or up to 1 1/2" drop (lowering kits).

An optional wheel with a +36mm (7 2/8" backspacing) is also available for the 1984-1987 Corvette (rear application only).

Note: On 1993-2003 Camaros and Firebirds (coupe only) with stock suspension we recommend +36mm offset wheel (these wheel will then be almost flush with the fender well) while the +50mm wheels are suitable for these same vehicles with lowered suspensions.
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I've wanted 17x11 ZR1's for so long now that I can't even remember how long...

Looks awesome dude! Real nice!
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my 335's rubbed on my lower control arms. on my 97 SS. i've got an adjustable panhard bar too and sportlines.

Wheels are for sale also.
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Re: Mufflex 4" and 17x11 zr1s installed

Originally Posted by kerplunk318
the 315s in the rear are on an 11" rim with a 50mm offset (7.93 backspace) with a 1" spacer.
If I understand correctly and rounding off the mm converted to inches...With a 0mm offset wheel that would equal a 10" bs. Then, deducting the 1" spacer (let's pretend the spacer ispart of the wheel), your left with 9" bs?

I'm trying to figure out if I can widen my 17" x 9" ROH Snypers, with 5" bs, to 11"wide, by adding the 2" to the the bs, and fit with no or minimal wheel well mods.

Basically, can I fit a 7" bs wheel on the rear, with no or minimal wheelwell mods or spacers? And on my stock 9-bolt 3rd gen rear.

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Re: Mufflex 4" and 17x11 zr1s installed

Originally Posted by Stephen
If I understand correctly and rounding off the mm converted to inches...With a 0mm offset wheel that would equal a 10" bs. Then, deducting the 1" spacer (let's pretend the spacer ispart of the wheel), your left with 9" bs?

I'm trying to figure out if I can widen my 17" x 9" ROH Snypers, with 5" bs, to 11"wide, by adding the 2" to the the bs, and fit with no or minimal wheel well mods.

Basically, can I fit a 7" bs wheel on the rear, with no or minimal wheelwell mods or spacers? And on my stock 9-bolt 3rd gen rear.
if the offset is 0, the backspace is equal to half the width of the wheel. If you are adding to the backspace you are offsetting the wheels by what you add to the backspace. 7 inch backspace with no spacer? should technically work, because my wheels are effectively 6.93 inches backspaced (if you take into consideration a 1" spacer)... not 100% on this though
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