83 Crossfire TA

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83 Crossfire TA

iTrader: (2)

From the description it almost sounds like your car is capable of keeping up or passing the Z06s, but really needs more power to do it, and the non streetable brake pads just push it over the edge…

smokeycamaro51

Not very many women that are called the little woman are little. Hell i'd be more scared of the smaller ones than the big ones, cuz some of them have a mean temper. Hell i was racing out at Perris and i had a choice, Hit ronnie in the 17 (ronnie is 5' 1" but man she has a mean temper and is part comanche or something), or hit the wall. Needless to say i choose the wall because man after her kickin my *** i'm sure her husband woulda been next for makin him have to fix the damn thing again for the umpteenth time. Oh well no worries. So RTFC, what do you have in your suspension? I'm curious and fairly bright and can see when i've been beat. So what cha got? And if its stock parts then i'd better do my own work on that damn nut behind the wheel. or figure out a way to build the damn thing outa carbon fiber or somethin.

l98-tpi-guy

Man this post went south fast...

ChevyRacer - There are a lot of improvements that can be done to a thirdgen camaro to improve the handling but to compare it to a Z06 isn't quite fair. The cars aren't even in the same league.

Mods: Springs, struts, shocks, sway bars, strut tower brace, wonder bar, steering box, steering linkage, panhard bar, lower control arms, brakes, tires, etc...

A V6 engine






Are we talking about the same C6 Z06 Corvette??? Better do some research.

Camaro

Z06

RTFC, you must be one hell of a driver...

RTFC

Here we go again, Those of you obviously not familiar with me around these boards and what I have done to this car (and am doing- Ithe motor is the last 10%- rest of the car is finished.

Mods, they asked for the "signature" so I am posting it upon request-
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Started life as a Limited production '87 Calif Edition RS Camaro with a custom dealer paint scheme.

I have added-

*'87 IROC 16x8 rims that I had chromed- Rims then were balanced grinded to ensure perfect balance before tires were ever fitted. Reducing the need for much balance weight when tires are mounted
*Multiple sets of high dollar performance tires-update 7/05,BFG KDW(cut a Goodyear GSD3, needed tires quickly. The KDW were readily availiable yet not 1st choice)
*Arp racing studs 1/2" x 2.970
*1/2" lugnuts - triple chromed
*'87 IROC 10-bolt with rear discs, 3.23's and posi (I'll get more into this later- It has been modified from this stock point)
*Various sets of stock front and rear 10.5" performance rotors and pads. Mainly Stillen brake rotors and pads were best by far in the 10.5" iron caliper catagory.
* finally after years of not keeping "reliable" (meaning long lasting without warping) brakes on the car I decided to upgrade them- Wilwood LS1 12.2x.810 4pot rears with internal drum parking brake assembly.
*All brake fasteners have been drilled and safetywired (rotors, brackets and calipers)
*Lokar custom fit steelbraided E-brake cables and clevis, stock parking lever adjuster removed and part of assembly altered
*Fronts are 6pot 13x1.25 Wilwood -Biggest anyone can get under a stock 16" iroc rim- Everything custom made and fitted from scratch. Spindles shaved for weight reduction
*GLobal West custom billet aluminum G-body front hubs
*Custom alum hubcentric wheel spacers to set proper scrub pattern with new front brake setup
*Earls braided brake lines-Custom Earls fronts with fttings on Wilwood setup
*Earls Solo-bleed fluid valves
*1LE prop valve (I have recently put a new booster on also in the past two years.)
*EBC green pads for quiet street use
*Bracing welded to A-arms
*ES Bushings in A-Arms and extended ball joint
*Suspension Spring Specialist 800lb front linear springs trimmed to ride height. Final rate aprox 810-820lbs from trimming to exact desired height
*rear Progressive rate springs 145-225lb max
*Koni shaft style progessive rate bumpstops that are setup to assist the rear spring rate even further progessively to help induce a certain disired amount of cornering squat
*Koni "yellow" sport struts & shocks on max setting front and 1click down from max on rears
*Custom billet aluminum HMS strut mounts with special Aurora HD racing bearings. Also had them polished.
*Fairly agressive alignment specs for being used on the street everyday. If I didn't occationally drive this car hard, the wifes daily driving would cause uneven tire wear.
*Eldebrock TPI 3pt strut tower brace
*Global West steering brace (Car already has a quick ratio 2.25 lock to lock steering box from factory)
*Custom welded upper rear steering box brace (pre-loaded and removable)
*Custom welded trans tunnel/rear control are brace (pre-loaded and removable)
*Baer bumpsteer alum adj rodended tierods sleeves
*Spohn 34mm solid chromemoly front swaybar
*HD front swaybar frame mounts so the bar does not pull out of the frame under hard cornering
*Front grill and airboxes modified to alter airflow patterns into the nose of the car
*BeCool Aluminum V8 radiator, dual core.
*BeCool dual fan kit (rated @ 700hp)Relays and temp switches for both fans. One hardwired to battery and probed into radiator bung for redondant backup. First fan wired as standard 1 fan system on factory wiring and A/C relay.I had the Becool aluminum fan mounts TIG welded to the radiator upper and lower supports
*BeCool Billet catchcan
*Stainless Steel solid 3' long upper and lower radiator flex hoses. Polished billet alum hose ends (not copper flex hoses that are chromed, these are 100% SS.)
*Dual highflow air filters
*A/C system completely updated to a "new" R-134 setup. Not the old R-12 compressor converted.
*Darrell Young Racing "completely custom" (Not off the shelf) 700r4 with everything internally gutted and upgraded new with all the latest and greatest. Heavy emphasis went into minimal drivetrain loss with internal componant choices. Built to handle 300hp raced reliably for years hopefully. Been great for almost 3yrs so far (7/05)
*Custom made V8 torque convertor fitted to V6 tranny (Tranny has V8 imput shaft)
*Autometer trans temp guage with electric sender unit 100*-250*
runs @ 185*, max on 98* day at the track is 210*
*B & M shifter gate plate (Prototype)
*ACPT carbon fiber 4lb driveshaft with Spicer u-joints. Spohn driveshaft loop cut back off at this point- No more concern about a high speed polevault with the brooming carbon fiber safety system
*rebuilt 10bolt rearend with new bearings, seals and kept the taller 3.23's in it. I like this ratio on the road better than the 3.42's. They have a broader power range through corners and higher top end without going into O.D.- Good for roadracing.
* Moser alloy axles with lightweight drilled flanges to reduce rotation weight
* "Roadrace" version Auburn Posi
*Aluminum diff cover with bearing cap preloads
*BMR bolt-on relocation brackets (I welded them into place) Why bolt-ons? They have a secondary support brace that the weld-on styles don't- strengthens the shock mount for a future coilover rear conversion. I was thinking ahead, but don't now think I'll ever bother doing it.
*Spohn chromemoly TQarm with solid trans mount crossmember with driveshaft loop. I also fitted the front solid mount with a larger HD Aurora rodend.(edit: cut loop off when installed carbon fiber driveshaft)
*ES poly trans mount
*25mm chromemoly Spohn rear swaybar with HD axle mounts.
*Spohn chromemoly adj LCA's with special HD Aurora rodends (34,000 load rating) also added- Radius arm swing shorteneds as much as possible to induce roll understeer when cornering /update:new 56,000 load rating QA1 rodends now fitted. part # HMR12HCPT ("T" is teflon lined)
*Tubular panhard rod (Future changes will be made here to add roll center adj provisions)
*Jegs panhard rod relocator. Lowered rear roll center for less weight transfer under braking. Keeps the *** end from jacking under braking
*Spohn tubular suframe connectors. I installed myself and welded them along the subframe. Custom bent trianglar inboard braces and welded them to the floorboard also. 1) to gain catalytic convertor height for ground clearance. 2) Direct bracing design- stronger and ties into, not laying on top like original Spohn design. he doesn't do this for ease of install for the average person.
*The entire floorboad is cleaned and epoxy painted to help prevent corrision.
*PF&E custom stainless steel headers (One of a kind. Stainless retains heat and is much perfered for racing, and for life expectancy of headers)Headers are on. Used VW(type1) 1 1/2" port metal/composite performance exhasut manifold gaskets.
*PF&E custom stainless steel y-pipe.
*Headers & y-pipe are also ceramic coated
*Magnaflow 4" round high flow catalytic convertor. 2 1/2" in and out
*Magnaflow 4" round Bullet muffler straightpipe for catalytic convertor removal
*Catalytic & bullet sections both have StainlessSteel V-clamp Collars for quick change.For track use, can up the fuel pressure without the cat so I do not burn it up.
*Catback exhaust completely redone with 2 1/2" pipe. Tucked under floorboard as tight as possible (It doesn't hang down like over the counter exhuasts do).
*Flowmaster 80 muffler with 1.75" dual exits (Not the crappy sounding large 2 1/2" duals)
*'89 Vette in-tank fuelpump. Higher pressure and flow with metal internals. Stock pump has plastic internals.
*Holley adjustable fuel pressure reg. Stock psi at idle:38/wot 43psi. I run idle 45psi/wot 55 psi
*Autometer air/fuel ratio gauge
*Autometer electric fuel pressure gauge 0-100psi
*Autometer FP sender tapped into stock fuel rail intake block
*62mm EDP billet alum TB (discountinued- but I have a new one)
*Custom home made alum plenum (not on car yet)
*Polished intake runners to injectors. Polished stock plenum neck as much as possible and also blocked the EGR to prevent the notorious carbon buildup(Ported and polished on uninstalled setup- I have another complete intake manifold for the new motor)
*17lb & 19lb injector sets (I still have the stock 15lb injectors in the car)
*1.52 roller tip rockers installed currently
*Fiero alum valvecovers (not installed)
*140amp polished Alt with custom bracket
*ASP crankshaft underdrive pulley
*new design tensioner
*timing cover with electric WP fitting TIG welded in place (not installed)
*aftermarket prom chip- programed for 180* running temp
*New distributor with A/C Delco module and dist based drilled for added cooling
*53,000volt Hypertech ignition coil. (Stock is 38,000, MSD is 48,000) Coil underneath further heatshielded from exhaust manifold
*Taylor 8.8mm race wires
*Taylor fire sleeves to heat shield the spark plug cable boots
*EVERY sensor in the computer system loop has been replace with a new A/C Delco units within the past 2 years- everything is perfect. A/C delco sensors and module are the best money can buy. They have great insulation against heat and will out perform anything else in the short and long run- don't ever buy any other brand.
*3 years ago I had a new 2.8 GM crate motor put into it (not rebuilt) It has currently about 41,000 on it.(as of 7/05)
*I run a longer oilfilter thanks to header clearance, 1/2qt more oil volume now in motor due to larger filter
*3.4L 60*V6 bolck on engine stand bored to 3.5l (in process of custom build)
*MobilOne full synthetic 15W50 oil in every car I drive.
*40below and swimming pool ("treated") water in the cooling system
*Deleted the TB coolant lines entirely for ease of plenum removal.
* 13 degree timing advance. stock is 10*
*redid the headliner
*LaCarrera polished 4-spoke steering wheel and polished billet hub with black bowtie engraved horn insert.
*Pioneer 1.5din CD player reciever unit- no amps. This unit doesn't need it. It has much much better sound than the factory ERS system. Amps add too much weight anyways- I'm into handling so I personally don't care for that crap in a car. I have a home system that will drowned out any ******* neighbor playing their crappy thump thump music in the rare case that happens in my neighborhood. Loud music doesn't belong in an automobile (My personal opinion) One need to listen to the noises your car is telling you when you drive- especially when pressing a car (A big tip for novice drivers.)
*Sylvainia Silverstar headlamps both low and high beams
*Triple edge lifetime wiperblades
*Personalized license plate reading: ON A RAIL
*Autolite plugs
*Diehard Roadhandler battery
*Does the matching painted floorjack count? I was bored

RTFC

As for crossfire and the other guy that is offended by my personality as well as my car, I'm not here to make internet buddies, I like posting here to see what kind of crap is being talked about and weed through the BS.

I happen to be top dog around here when it comes to putting my money where my mouth is and this topic was and still is about the cars and how you will need a 60*V6 in a 3rd gen to get the proper bias and polar weight to compete at the level of a stock Z06 type car. When you can out slalom and brake this car then come talk to me.

None of you have a car that will corner to the magnitude of my Camaro so I do not expect you to comprehend tthe g's it will pull in full street trim. I finally have a handful of people here that HAVE in fact experienced riding in this car and will tell you of their own skeptics until they experienced the car- you can not get a V8 in full street trim and street rubber to handle or brake anything close to what this lightweight nosed car will do.

Sorry that doesn't make me popular around here- but it is a fact and I post facts around here to help everyone with tech advice- I enjoy teaching suspensions.

RTFC

l98-tpi-guy,
I will also add that it is not only what bolt-on parts you add, its the adjustment provisions you buy and most importantly what you do with those adjustment provisions in setting up and fine tuning your chassis.

At 100 mph I gaurantee I can wing this car from the fast lane to the slow lane and back(4 lane freeways here in So.Cal- thats each way)faster than any of you can go 3 lanes over and back- matter of fact, most of you would never make it back.

Smokey, since you obviously never came over and peeked under my car as it sat in the autoX parking lot, here's a little sneak peek at what under just the front wheels. There is much more hidden under there.

RWB____s

Dean, Have you ever had your car on a set of scales, and get the % frt to rear, Diag, side to side readings? You didn't mention if it was corner weighted, Also you dont have any weight jacks on your car do you.

RTFC

Ron- Go to bed, Don't you have to work in the morning.

I have never had an interest to weigh it because I have no provisions to adjust the corner weights(other than screwing with shims). The next time I have to buy shocks and struts for this car it will probably no longer be a daily driver and i will be going coilovers so I can in fact set the corners.

I haveto goto bed also so I can get to work tomorrow, make some money in the next few months and finish my house projects- then buy the wife the Chysler 300 I have been looking at if and when they no longer want 6K over sticker(I have time to wait- not paying above sticker), then finish the motor, start and finish the mini, and by then I will probably need new shocks forthe Camaro in a few years and it will be a definate 3rd garage queen withthe other two I have now.

kevinc

If you personally feel need for evidence, PayPal me $5 to cover postage and a blank DVD and I'll send you video. I'm not uploading 2GB of video or wasting time recapturing it at smaller size just to shut your hole.

Honestly I used to have a pretty high opinion of you before this post. If you believe a 3100 lb car on slicks w/ racing pads outbraking a stock Z06 on factory street tires and pads is "miraculous" then you may not be as bright as I thought.

kevinc

"Grinded"?? Maybe you've got this site confused with thirdgrade.org??


Interesting monologue after calling me an "Interner Racer" . Read up Freudian Projection from basic psychology:

"A defense mechanism in which the individual attributes to other people impulses and traits that he himself has but cannot accept. It is especially likely to occur when the person lacks insight into his own impulses and traits."


See Freudian Projection, above.


The raw power of your keyboard is all we're seeing...but not for much longer thanks to the Add To Ignore List feature. Goodnight there hoss.

He's been banned at least twice...which shows he's not too bright.

He keeps coming back...which indicates a sense of sad desperation.

MrDude_1

well be sure to post up all 4 corners.

it would be intresting to see how close they really are to my LS1s....

paul_huryk

The new Boxster is maxed out handling-wise from the factory, no upward potential at all.

A properly setup LSx conversion (with 500hp), braking and suspension upgraded thirdgen will give the Z06 a serious run for its money. I'm not saying it will be easy to drive as fast or as pretty, but it will be fast in every direction.

Think of it this way, properly setup "stock" SCCA thirdgens will whip a street Z06 at a road course like Lime Rock or Laguna Seca while being over 150hp. If you had one with big 17" tires, 6 piston brakes and 500hp it would be a true massacre.

83 Crossfire TA

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Dude, I can assure you that no one is threatened by your car and most don’t even care. You’re unpopular because you’re an idiot and a ***** with a big fat head to match.

As far as your “extensive” mods list… well take out the bull**** wiper blades, headlights, spark lugs, personalized license plate (how many g’s of road holding does that add and is it proportionate to the hp added to an import when you “install” stickers?), the fact that you’ve replaced the battery and most other wear items that wear out on a 20y/o car you’re not left with much. Take out the long, running commentary and sketchy, opinionated “facts” in the list and you’re left with a few decent mods.

Really, there isn’t anything there that anyone with an old car who has owned it for over 10y and has replaced parts as they’ve worn out with a focus on handling isn’t going to have… well, maybe not the triple chromed lugnuts…

No, I don’t currently have a 3rd gen that will outhandle your POS, but that’s because I don’t spend enough time on a road course and don’t have a 3rd gent that is worth putting the effort in to do that to right now.

Is it really that big a deal? No, I can think of at least 3 cars that I see multiple times a month (and at least a dozen that I've worked on or helped someone with in the last few years) over at the shop that are MUCH more extensively modified for handling (a 65 chevelle, a rare celica all track and a 55 t-bird, well it started as a t-bird). Hell, the brothers that own and race the chevelle and celica probably have a longer list of parts on their invoices from the last 6 months, and funny, they have cars that will outhandle just about everything and GET THIS, they’re DAMNED nice guys and I can’t even imagine how they would offend someone…

83 Crossfire TA

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Actually, I think I might have triple chromed lugnuts on my formula. I’ll have to check, they’re McGaurds that I originally bought for my 83 in ’91 or so… I’m pretty sure McGuard triple chromes all their lugnuts.

Does that make me a H A N D L I N G G O D worthy of everyone’s praise and admiration?

Skip that, I’m an angry deity, bring me your virgins!

RWB____s

I was just curious if it had been done or not just to see how close it is . I didn't remember if you had been done or not. (losing my memory because of OLD age or alzhiemers) Off to work!
DAMN im late!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Its YOUR fault DEAN!!!!!!!!!!!

smokeycamaro51

Good *** a grocery list of go fastness. Man I think I've seen Late models at irwindale with less muss and fuss than your camaro. No wonder your car'll handle. I guess your next step from the V-6 rebuild is puttin that damn engine in the back seat and putting a tube frame chassis in it. But I do appreciate the ideas. (starts looking for the eraser that should be next to drawing board). I wish i had taken a look at the damn thing when i was over there at the autocross. I wonder how much carbon fiber disk brakes are..............

RTFC

I think the wiperblades put crossfire over the edge- sorry man, didn't know you counldn't handle it.

Lighten up, I'm just playing.

ME Leigh

Not even close! The Boxster is hampered and constrained like most factory cars to be driven on the street. Thusly it has to have a good street demeanor for the yuppies! The Boxster will accept mods just like a 3rd gen will. Add lightweight suspension parts, lowering springs, bigger/lighter rims and better tires, shocks, better alignment...engine mods, exhaust... Not to mention if you really wanted to you could easily strip it down to 2600lbs. All factory cars have massive upgrade potential, not just 3rd gens.

Justins86bird