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Old 03-16-2012, 11:22 AM
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Ok boys and girls we (3rd gens) are screwed!!!!!! (AB 2289)

"Most motorists want two things from their tailpipe inspections: make it quick and make it cheap. Modern technology now being used in 22 other states has done that and more. AB 2289 (Eng) will bring California's Smog Check program up to speed by implementing on-board diagnostic testing for vehicle model years 2001 and newer and more stringent performance standards for facilities testing our older, more polluting vehicles. These updates will save money for consumers and the state and boost the emission benefits of the smog check program by 70 tons per day."

BY-BY "bootleg" smogs!

Coming Jan 2013!

YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!!!!
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A pre-1975 F-body is looking good about now. I'm still keeping my Camaro even if it becomes a garage queen and only gets driven around the block.
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Make sure you send an x-mas card this year to your local gas station inspection shop. You'll need to have a couple of friends in the right places very soon it sounds like.
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California Introduces Bill to Exempt pre-1981 Vehicles From Emissions Inspection Requirement

In 2004, legislation was enacted to repeal California’s rolling emissions-test exemption for vehicles 30 years old and older and replace it with a law requiring the lifetime testing of all 1976 and newer model-year vehicles. This year, a bill has been introduced in the California Senate (S.B. 1224) by Senator Doug LaMalfa (Senator.LaMalfa@senate.ca.gov ) to exempt all motor vehicles prior to the 1981 model year from the emissions inspection requirement. The bill will be considered in the Senate Transportation and Housing Committee on March 27, 2012.
We Urge You to Contact All Members of the Senate Transportation and Housing Committee (Contact Info Below) Immediately To Request Their Support for S.B. 1224

* S.B. 1224 recognizes the minimal impact of pre-1981vehicles on emissions and air quality.

* S.B. 1224 acknowledges that pre-1981 vehicles still constitute a minuscule portion of the overall vehicle population and are a poor source from which to look for emissions reduction.

* S.B. 1224 endorses the fact that pre-1981 vehicles are overwhelmingly well-maintained and infrequently driven (a fraction of the miles each year as a new vehicle).

* For years, legislators, regulators and stationary source polluters have felt the heat from failed efforts to meet air quality goals and have looked to older cars as a convenient scapegoat, using false data and inflated annual mileage assumptions to further their case. S.B. 1224 helps validate the truth. The old car hobby should not continue to carry the burden of past mistakes!

DON’T DELAY! Please contact members of the California Senate Transportation and Housing Committee immediately to request their support of S.B. 1224. Please e-mail a copy of your letter to Steve McDonald at stevem@sema.org. Also, please forward this Alert to your fellow car enthusiasts. Urge them to join the SAN and help defend the hobby! Thank you for your assistance.
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senator.desaulnier@sen.ca.gov; senator.gaines@senate.ca.gov; senator.harman@sen.ca.gov; Senator.Kehoe@sen.ca.gov; Senator.Lowenthal@sen.ca.gov; senator.pavley@sen.ca.gov; michael.rubio@sen.ca.gov; senator.simitian@sen.ca.gov; Senator.Wyland@senate.ca.gov

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Bah humbug! They need to bring the rolling emissions-test exemption back! This new pre-81 bill, although good for everyone, wont help me with my 84 Trans Am :-(
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more reasons to love oklahoma... no inspections at all
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E85 will be in my future. Better luck of E85 powered car being smog exempt.

Originally Posted by Chris 84TA
more reasons to love oklahoma... no inspections at all
Despite the harsh regulations California is paradise compared to Oklahoma
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California is so gay. I've been stationed out here for over 2 years now... I'm from FL and can't wait to go back. If you're gonna buy a performance part that's not "SMOG" legal, who cares. Not everyone is a gear head!!! Your putting $$$ into the economy keeping businesses open. How much for a high performance 350 rebuild. Even a mild rebuild nice cam and mild head port gonna cost over a grand in parts. Why can't they just charge people double the SMOG price on PERFORMANCE CARS!!! Or you can move to FL were the taxes are cheaper and NO SMOG!!!
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Originally Posted by Z28FAST1
E85 will be in my future. Better luck of E85 powered car being smog exempt.



Despite the harsh regulations California is paradise compared to Oklahoma
HEY YEAH!!! I was stationed out there for 4 months during the winter then went back during the summer for training... That's the land God forgot... it's either stupid cold or stuipd HOT!!! Even at night it was almost 100*. F*CK THAT!!! I feel bad for the hooah's out there lol
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Cali's got to be the worst place to live. You cant have a car you want unless it complies with their laws. Sounds awful to me
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At least in California, we can drive our cars 12 months a year and they wont rust out. I have 350 RWHP and passed our laws with no problem. They only bad about Mass. is it's in Mass.
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why should they give a **** what you've done to your car as long as it passes an emissions test? who cares about carb#s and all that other crap...it's what comes out of the tailpipe that should matter and thats it. modify your car all you want as long as it stays clean. my .02
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I think what they fail to see is the volume of cars on the road now in days. Strict testing can only offset it so much, but it doesn't fix the real problem. If they handed everyone a new car today there would be just as much pollution in 5 years because there will be more cars on the road. Old cars might pollute more, but they don't make up a big majority of whats on the road. Electric cars may not pollute at all, but there is a lot of pollution that goes into making one and pollution that goes into charging one (for the most part).
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I agree, if it passes, it should pass. Just give the car a # to hit and if it makes it, pass it
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I agree, if it passes, it should pass. Just give the car a # to hit and if it makes it, pass it
They will never do that because they are convinced that some of us will just do things that are temporary to get it to pass, and remove or delete the temporary fix as soon as it passes. This is what happened with the "Carter kits" in the late '70s that retarded the ignition so bad the cars ran horribly. Everyone unplugged them, then plugged them back in when it was Smog time.

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Originally Posted by Z28FAST1
E85 will be in my future. Better luck of E85 powered car being smog exempt.



Despite the harsh regulations California is paradise compared to Oklahoma

hmm i would say idaho is paradise, no inspections and dang nice weather on some days, except right now its snowing

but when its warm all the nice cars go for there cruises in town and some races late at night
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Originally Posted by GreenCamaro13
hmm i would say idaho is paradise, no inspections and dang nice weather on some days, except right now its snowing

but when its warm all the nice cars go for there cruises in town and some races late at night
Really Idaho? Never heard of it being a desirable vacation spot.

Can't go wrong with Cali, beautiful women, great nightlife, style/fashion/Hollywood(if you're into that), great weather, close proximity to the beach, mountains, dessert, valley etc and DIVERSITY. Also higher property value, higher pay scale but also higher taxes and more regulation. Sometimes you have to pay to play
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Utah has great scenic roads to drive on, all 4 weather seasons, but I too would chose SoCal if that was an option. But this place isn't all that bad
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Originally Posted by Z28FAST1
Really Idaho? Never heard of it being a desirable vacation spot.

Can't go wrong with Cali, beautiful women, great nightlife, style/fashion/Hollywood(if you're into that), great weather, close proximity to the beach, mountains, dessert, valley etc and DIVERSITY. Also higher property value, higher pay scale but also higher taxes and more regulation. Sometimes you have to pay to play

ehh its not bad here, if anywhere i would choose my city El Paso TX but california isnt too bad. utah would be awesome, takeing my 3rd gen around vegas one of my dreams
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I'm sure all of you read the report that said that Cal is the WORST managed state in the nation. Congrats to Jerry Brown and the legislature.
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http://www.smogtips.com/new-smog-law-AB-2289.cfm

"This new and improved program will have the same result as taking 800,000 old cars off the road, also resulting in a more cost effective program for California motorists." said ARB Chairman, Mary D. Nichols.

Sure sounds like her goal is to get old cars off the road - regardless of their usage.

(I guess) the point of the program is to get a longer smog performance history of the vehicle from the ECU, instead of the 5 minutes of testing performance that we have to pass (where-in you can do various tweaks/attempts to get it to pass). Actually we may have a better chance than some of the newer vehicles.

Seems like this is really the only impact to us:
B. Vehicles known to release large amounts of pollution must test at stations with the highest performance ratings.

So may not be able to go to the smog tech of your choice... will have to be a 'four star' location based on inspections.
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Re: Ok boys and girls we (3rd gens) are screwed!!!!!! (AB 2289)

Originally Posted by Z28FAST1
E85 will be in my future. Better luck of E85 powered car being smog exempt.



Despite the harsh regulations California is paradise compared to Oklahoma


AMEN BROTHER !!! I lived in the OKC area for several years and it was one CRAPPIEST run down places ever !!! All that anyone talked about or do was Religon,College football and drugs .Crappy weather YEAR round !!! I'm SOOOO glad I live in California now !!!.NO SNOW,NO ICE,NO HUMID HEAT and no more STUPID college football talk !!!

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Originally Posted by ultraz
HEY YEAH!!! I was stationed out there for 4 months during the winter then went back during the summer for training... That's the land God forgot... it's either stupid cold or stuipd HOT!!! Even at night it was almost 100*. F*CK THAT!!! I feel bad for the hooah's out there lol

LOL BINGO !! You can't even go out sometimes in the summer it's to !%*$ hot/humid outside !! The CRAPPY weather is just the start on how much Oklahoma sucks !!! You couldn't PAY me enough to live in that waste of a state again

I think all the heat and sun exposure can explain the mentaility of some people in Oklahoma

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My father is moving to Oklahoma. Looks like if you go by my license plate Ill be an OKie here pretty soon
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This is why I am getting my car registered in Ohio and not here in Kalifornia!
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I'm military and although I've lived in Cali for the better part of a decade, I register my cars in my home state. Normally even if your home state does have smog laws they don't require you to smog if you're out of state military. Who the hell wants to pay the inflated Cali fees anyway? What the heck does Cali do with all this revenue? They're still broke.
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Chris, you're right on the money. I love my state! Raise your hand if you have kept your cats. Anyone? Anyone? No?
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Chris, you're right on the money. I love my state! Raise your hand if you have kept your cats. Anyone? Anyone? No?
Right here with my hand raised....
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Chris, you're right on the money. I love my state! Raise your hand if you have kept your cats. Anyone? Anyone? No?
I have two cats, and good power, and it easily passes Los Angeles emissions testing...so far. Live anywhere YOU want, I will tough it out here in "Kalifornia."
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Re: Ok boys and girls we (3rd gens) are screwed!!!!!! (AB 2289)

Originally Posted by Diggler86
http://www.smogtips.com/new-smog-law-AB-2289.cfm

"This new and improved program will have the same result as taking 800,000 old cars off the road, also resulting in a more cost effective program for California motorists." said ARB Chairman, Mary D. Nichols.

Sure sounds like her goal is to get old cars off the road - regardless of their usage.
That Mary D Nichols is a corrupt *****. John & Ken was talking about how she used data on greenhouse gases that are all from older cars from a supposed "Expert" that bought his BA degree online from somewhere in the middle east and was listed as a pedophile in the state of New York. It's people like her that make it difficult for us to enjoy our cars in this state.
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If the smog laws get so strict let it be. Id still pay my registration and a failure smog an pay the 50.00 for two months to be able to drive it. Only bad thing for me is it be winter months for me.
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Loopholes - they exist.
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My hand is up! Check the sig!
At least here in SoCal I don't have to put my car up for the winter and don't have to worry about rust.
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Re: Ok boys and girls we (3rd gens) are screwed!!!!!! (AB 2289)

"That Mary D Nichols is a corrupt *****. John & Ken was talking about how she used data on greenhouse gases that are all from older cars from a supposed "Expert" that bought his BA degree online from somewhere in the middle east and was listed as a pedophile in the state of New York. It's people like her that make it difficult for us to enjoy our cars in this state"

You are correct. She and others like her have an agenda. I run both cats on my car so my hand is up.
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Re: Ok boys and girls we (3rd gens) are screwed!!!!!! (AB 2289)

Originally Posted by jayhawk
Chris, you're right on the money. I love my state! Raise your hand if you have kept your cats. Anyone? Anyone? No?
Yep - hand in the air. Check it. :P
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