injdinjn

http://www.yahoo.com/s/1095272

They are out of control

1989GTATransAm

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Yep, I read that also. Voting this guy into office and giving the Democrats control of Congress is going to be the biggest mistake this country ever made.

At least Arnold seems to have found his gonads and finally is trying to put the breaks on these sham budgets that have been presented in the last few years. They have all been a shell game.

I think the real Democrats have stepped forward and it is not a pleasant picture. I just hope enough people wake up to what is going on otherwise we can kiss this country good bye as we know it.

Jason89RS

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Welcome to socialism......just what Obama and the Democratic party has wanted for a long time.

TraviZ

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I swear to god.. if I have to have govnt insurance, I will definitely get my monies worth and they will wish they didnt insure me!

<-survived cancer patient.

injdinjn

The fines will be collected via the income tax system, which means that those who have been destroying our emergency rooms will still be getting off scot free.

ringo234

California wouldn't be in this fiscal mess if not for the part of the Prop 13 initiative that requires a two-thirds majority in both legislative houses for future increases in all state tax rates or amounts of revenue collected, including income tax rates. This provisions allows 34% of the legislature to dictate to the majority, essentially allowing for minority rule and guaranteeing nothing will get done.

Guest

Wow you bought it hook line and sinker!
Overspending is what got us here, not the inability to raise taxes to 100%... which is what we would be paying without prop 13.

tony_cogliandro

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oh yes, just what we need, a way to make it easire to tax us.
how about this - california has had 1.5 million decrease in legal residents in the last 10 years. during the same period of time the budget has increased by 40%.
who do you think gets that money?
well first we have teachers, who want raises for not teaching our kids to read. but they have a big union.
then there is the public employee unions, who have worked themselves into a great deal. they actually make more than people in the provate sector for the exact same job. then public employees get 21 paid days off a year, in addition to vacation, sick pay, etc, great public employment health benefits and a fantastic retirement system that allows them to collect retirement after 20 years and then start another gov job and start all over again while still collecting retirement. some even keep the same job as a contractor after they retire, and do it at a HIGHER WAGE.
then there is the fact that more than 60% of the people using our welfare system, school system, our roads and highways, are not even here legally. now i got no problem with people visiting but you want to have the benefits of citizenship you should wait in line like everyone else. and before you tell me im closed minded, tell their governments, like mexico, that dont take care of their own citizens but they have the money to do it.
so before you tell us that the problem is that its not easy enough to tax us think.
and if you think the state or federal government does not have enough money, take out your check book and send them more than you are already sending them. no one will stop you. but dont tell me - or anyone else - they dont pay enough.

injdinjn

tony......., madmax and 1989gta......... have it right.
ringo234, you have been brainwashed by the people who want 100% of everything you earn. Govt spending increases annually by more than 10 times the rate of inflation.
You want to give them a signed blank check, be my guest. Just hope you can cover all the zeros after the first digit.

ringo234

I just think democracy means majority rules.
When I was in school in the 60s California had one of the best if the best educational systems in the country, if not the best. Now it ranks 48th.
That didn't change until Prop 13. Sure there were other problems but we had a huge surplus of cash before and now we're about the pay our debts with IOUs. You can ignore the problem forever but it's still an absolute fact that,"It only takes 34% of the Legislature to stop California from reaching a balanced budget".
I'm sure they reached several budget proposals were a reached a simple majority all ready perhaps even a 60% majority but still failed to get that 66% needed to pass. So much for Democracy.

1989GTATransAm

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"California wouldn't be in this fiscal mess if not for the part of the Prop 13 initiative that requires a two-thirds majority in both legislative houses"

That is pure bovine excrement put out by the media and the dimocRAT party which you have swallowed whole. I hope it taste good. All you need to do is look at the tax revenue every year and then the amount of spending increase every year.

You will see there is no shortfall in both categories which is the problem as the spending increases are way overboard. There has been no shortage of revenue just way to much spending.

ringo234

Does it take a 66% majority to pass tax bill or not?
If it does then tat's a minority telling the majority what to do.
You can argue the opposite all you want but it won't make it true.

I agree that spending is too high but not that is the sole reason for this mess.
I will let this go now because it can serve no more purpose.

1989GTATransAm

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It is a damn good thing that there is a 66% rule in place. Thank God for Proposition 13. There is plenty of tax revenue and blaming Prop 13 is a red herring. It is the spending that is the problem.

Like I said above all you have to do is look at the yearly increases in tax revenue and compare them to the yearly increases in spending and it will become quite apparent where the problem is.

injdinjn

It apparently is beyond your education to realize that continued spending 50% than your projected income year after year and continually adding more spending programs is the real problem not prop 13.
I would guess that you are too young to remember that retired persons on fixed income in paid off homes were losing them because of the massive yearly tax increases.
Example a person on turbobuick living in another state just had his property taxes raised 30%. If your taxes are $2000/year thats another $600. You call that an act of responsible govt.
The fact that the spendthrifts in Sac could not limit new spending programs is why we had to put controls on them. If they were responsible legislators we would not have had to do that.
When you have children that continually take all the candy out of the candy jar you lock up the candy jar and dole it out to them.
And besides, a MAJORITY of the voters of CA passed that, not 34%. So a majority does rule.

Guest

Are you quoting Time or did you actually back this up on your own?

Sorry, but wake up. Gray Davis had a surplus, and he was in office WAY after prop 13 passed. Nothing like poor reporting and research to support BS claims and misdirect where the problem really is. If you want to talk about school funding, maybe you should talk to the Dems that pulled dollars from schools that were being supplied by lottery funds. When the lottery came into play the funds were supposed to be supplemental to the schools. Now they pull out how much the lottery funds supply from the base funding.

Balancing a budget means you dont spend more than you get. That has not happened in so long that we've been borrowing against expected tax incomes and now all those funding channels have dried up because of the financial disaster created since Recall Davis signed our lives away to pay absolute top dollar for electricity... and THAT is when our surplus vanished and we went into more debt than we've ever been in. Had nothing to do with Prop 13, had to do with poor decisions and lack of ability to stop spending like drunken sailors.

BretD 88GTA

Uh, where did you get this from?

I have a good friend who is a Resource Economist for the CA Fish & Game Dept. He gets 17 days of paid vacation since he as 10+ years on the job. He got 12 additional vacation days a few years back instead of getting a raise. He also now gets 12 more furlough days, which means that's 12 days of ZERO pay.

Tell me again how all these state employees are getting uber time off pay?

injdinjn

Bret, go on the State of CA web site and search jobs and read the bennies.
15 paid holidays, plus 12 days vac at the end of the first year, plus sick days and if you are a State Licensed prof such as Engr or such you get IIRC 3 -5 professional days ALL PAID.
And this one day a month off (BFD), they have the option to work that day and the hours get banked to be paid at a later date.
And since I am in the engrg prof I get the pay/employment info quite often.
Civil Engineers and Surveyors for the State base pay is higher than the private sector, plus a lot more bennies, NEVER get fired, or laid off, good job performance is "do they show up" quality/quantity of work is immaterial, they can make errors that cost the public thousands of dollars and it's "Oh, well", and they will be exempt from income tax on their health ins.

Then, in their 50s can retire at 90% pay, and since they "manage" to work a lot of OT their last year the 90% is actually 100+% of what their base pay was. And without much trouble they get another State job or get hired back as a contract employee at their old job at top step pay. How do I know this, I know retired State/County employees that have done it and my neighbors sister and bro-in-law are currently doing it.

Sorry, no sympathy here for Govt employees.

injdinjn

Oh, and they are going for a 16th holiday, Harvey Milk day.

86_Dan_Z28

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injdinjn

whats your problem.
Dont like it dont read it.

86_Dan_Z28

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What the ****!!
I thought this was an f-body board.

1989GTATransAm

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It is an F-body board. If I don't like the subject matter I don't read the post. That keeps things simple.

Dyno Don

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Since you're keeping it simple.....if it ain't right ....don't print IT!!!

Dyno Don

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I guess Tom doesn't think that applys to him.

smart7final

Since someone brought it up our schools wouldn't be ranked 48 if it wasn't for those d*** illegals! I graduated Banning High last year and the who:e time I wen't there my classes were taught bilangual. It makes me mad at wat our country is coming to, so far in 5 months Obama has spent more than Bush did his entire Presidency and that was with 2 wars! Now on to the health care thing. So they will be fining me 1000 a yr even though I have Health insurance through my work? Its an HMO and I only pay 52.78 a month! Is Obama High? Democrats suck! But I think he will be another J. Carter and we will have a second coming of Ronald Regan. Maybe it will be Sarah Palin?

injdinjn

So how does it feel to spend 12 years to get 6 years of education.

smart7final

It sucks badly It's that we have to learn the spanish language to be able graduate! They should learn ENGLISH! Not the other way around.

omnipotentgoku

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I don't usually participate in this foolishness, but I know enough about this board to know that their is no "off topic lounge" so for the sake of those who fell asleep at this thread.


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Please lock this thread.

89RS_82Z

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let me tell you if they pass this govt health its going to be BAD, months to see a doctor, good luck if you get cancer, might as well get your casket and tombstone ordered..... every and im not going to say but im sure you know what kind of people im talking about (AND NO IM NOT BEING RACIST) will be at the hospital or doctor every time the get a paper cut, sneeze or fart

"Obama Care" is as bad if not worse than cap and trade (global warming BS bill) (funny how its been COOLER everywhere this summer) something has got to give guys call your reps

heck listen to Michael Savage (or others like him)


and this is a local thred, less modded than others and open for some off topic talk, its not like this is in members rides or general engine
(and yes i know im not from socal but i was lookin through all threds)

injdinjn

Too many people do the Ostrich thing then wonder "Why did this happen".
Go to the History thread and read about the IROC in good shape headed for the crusher since someone prefered the $4500 cash for clunkers.

Kevin91Z

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I'm only locking this because its gone on long enough, not because anyone said so.