June 26th AutoCross info
#51
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Originally posted by james_85Z28
I'll be taking his Tahoe so we can put the RA1's on at the track.
Thanks,
James
I'll be taking his Tahoe so we can put the RA1's on at the track.
Thanks,
James
Hmmmm, we could have a battle of the trucks/SUVs! Lon can bring his V10, Dean can bring the work truck ...and so on.
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The only thing I’m hiding is a few questionable DVD’s with James on them. Oh and don’t worry…you’ve got a race on your hands make no mistake about that. I’m not afraid of that big bad 2.8-liter or “sergeant slaughter” behind the wheel. At least 4 seconds? What happened to the complete and utter inhalation of my ***? The only this I’m putting between my legs is you while I’m repositioning for a heated session of reverse cowboy. I’ve been practicing for 31 years going around you only requires will.
Butterflies? No… nausea just knowing what I’m going to do to you out there even makes me sick.
Butterflies? No… nausea just knowing what I’m going to do to you out there even makes me sick.
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Originally posted by 12secSS
We will be there early, like 7:30am or so. I think dean will be there prior to ESP running, about 9am or so.
We will be there early, like 7:30am or so. I think dean will be there prior to ESP running, about 9am or so.
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CheckList for sunday
Good shoes for standing on HOT pavement
Sun Screen stronger the better
Lite colored clothing (stay cool) Mike doesn't need it, he's the ICE man
Hat (Very important)
Bring chairs, for when not on course driving/working
Shade! bring it if you have it
Lots of cold water with ice
Lots of VASOLINE for Mike and Dean to fight over. If they want to use it.;-)
Air tank/compressor for tires
Tools
Floor jack
jack stands
There "should" be food available at the event
Drivers license
helmet
Make sure car will pass a basic safety check. No leaks, battery secured, wheel bearings in good shape, NO corded tires
Check all attitudes at the gate
Everybody be prepared to be humbled by the fast guys and girls(that won't be any of us)
Please bring your since of humor
Help each other in need
Have fun, drive hard fast and clean.
Most of all be SAFE
Ron
Sun Screen stronger the better
Lite colored clothing (stay cool) Mike doesn't need it, he's the ICE man
Hat (Very important)
Bring chairs, for when not on course driving/working
Shade! bring it if you have it
Lots of cold water with ice
Lots of VASOLINE for Mike and Dean to fight over. If they want to use it.;-)
Air tank/compressor for tires
Tools
Floor jack
jack stands
There "should" be food available at the event
Drivers license
helmet
Make sure car will pass a basic safety check. No leaks, battery secured, wheel bearings in good shape, NO corded tires
Check all attitudes at the gate
Everybody be prepared to be humbled by the fast guys and girls(that won't be any of us)
Please bring your since of humor
Help each other in need
Have fun, drive hard fast and clean.
Most of all be SAFE
Ron
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From: Yes I'm Dean
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And most of all, Do NOT drive fast or zig zagging inside California Speedway grounds. They will kick you out for doing anything other than driving like an old lady unless its your turn out on the course. They are very strick and you don't get a second warning.
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And the honor for most reprehensible line goes to:
Originally posted by ReddRocket
The only this I’m putting between my legs is you while I’m repositioning for a heated session of reverse cowboy.
The only this I’m putting between my legs is you while I’m repositioning for a heated session of reverse cowboy.
#65
Allright something other than porsche club
Hey i have a Camaro RS convert that ussually runs mid pack with Porsches. i want to play. I just hope you don't need a roll bar for this here gig because i haven't quite installed that yet. But my camaro can hang and i would love to see what it could do against some other american iron. Im ussually 1 second off a C5 corvette that my dad owns. And i've done the autocross thing. And i found that you get really gittery right before your run. Ussually the best thing you can do is on your first run. To blow off steam. Light them back tires up all the way down to the first corner. Then youll be nice and settled. Of course you give people a good show and something to talk about. That and some of the more upper crust club racers get all pissy and its always good to give them something to complain about, although it seems like they have plenty allready stored up. I would love to go I live right next to the track in San Berdo and if its no roll bar for converts that would be awesome. And if i don't make it out Autocrossing is fun and if you want some real fun after this autocross drive around the Orange show speedway just 30 minutes from Calif speedway on Orange show road and the 215, and run the night autocross with porsche club. Sure you would get humbled by a GT3 worth more than 6 of the cleanest 1LE camaros around.
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Re: Allright something other than porsche club
Originally posted by smokeycamaro51
Hey i have a Camaro RS convert that usually runs mid pack with Porsches. i want to play. I just hope you don't need a roll bar for this here gig...
Hey i have a Camaro RS convert that usually runs mid pack with Porsches. i want to play. I just hope you don't need a roll bar for this here gig...
My only concern is the "Snell 90" or better requirement for a helmet. Since when? I ran with my DOT approved one last time.
Lon
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Re: Allright something other than porsche club
Originally posted by smokeycamaro51
Hey i have a Camaro RS convert that ussually runs mid pack with Porsches. i want to play. I just hope you don't need a roll bar for this here gig because i haven't quite installed that yet. But my camaro can hang and i would love to see what it could do against some other american iron. Im ussually 1 second off a C5 corvette that my dad owns. And i've done the autocross thing. And i found that you get really gittery right before your run. Ussually the best thing you can do is on your first run. To blow off steam. Light them back tires up all the way down to the first corner. Then youll be nice and settled. Of course you give people a good show and something to talk about. That and some of the more upper crust club racers get all pissy and its always good to give them something to complain about, although it seems like they have plenty allready stored up. I would love to go I live right next to the track in San Berdo and if its no roll bar for converts that would be awesome. And if i don't make it out Autocrossing is fun and if you want some real fun after this autocross drive around the Orange show speedway just 30 minutes from Calif speedway on Orange show road and the 215, and run the night autocross with porsche club. Sure you would get humbled by a GT3 worth more than 6 of the cleanest 1LE camaros around.
Hey i have a Camaro RS convert that ussually runs mid pack with Porsches. i want to play. I just hope you don't need a roll bar for this here gig because i haven't quite installed that yet. But my camaro can hang and i would love to see what it could do against some other american iron. Im ussually 1 second off a C5 corvette that my dad owns. And i've done the autocross thing. And i found that you get really gittery right before your run. Ussually the best thing you can do is on your first run. To blow off steam. Light them back tires up all the way down to the first corner. Then youll be nice and settled. Of course you give people a good show and something to talk about. That and some of the more upper crust club racers get all pissy and its always good to give them something to complain about, although it seems like they have plenty allready stored up. I would love to go I live right next to the track in San Berdo and if its no roll bar for converts that would be awesome. And if i don't make it out Autocrossing is fun and if you want some real fun after this autocross drive around the Orange show speedway just 30 minutes from Calif speedway on Orange show road and the 215, and run the night autocross with porsche club. Sure you would get humbled by a GT3 worth more than 6 of the cleanest 1LE camaros around.
I was in the Porsche performance business for many years. I’ve had the opportunity to pilot literally hundreds of suspension/engine combinations both on and off the track. Over the years I have found that the majority Porsche owners lack the testicular fortitude to push their vehicles to the limit. Now this is speaking late model of course. If you looking to test your skill look for a guy with a 914-6 or 911 with fender flairs bolted to the quarter panels. Its not that I think your RS isn’t running mid pack with Porsche, it’s the caliber of driver your up against that I’m questioning.
Here is a perfect example… I’m flat out coming down the back strait (86 Z28) when I’ve got three 996 Twin T’s running me down. We’re running the track counter clockwise setting up for the sunset corner; we are four wide the last 300’ before the turn and guess who explodes out of the corner first. A guy driving a $1,500 car is going to have a much different perspective/attitude that a guy driving an $80-$100,000 car. If I trade a little paint going into a turn its par for the course, let a first car Porsche owner trade a little paint and he’s on a stretcher headed for the hospital.
Now you put the driver of a $1,500 car behind the wheel of an $80-$100,000 super car and you’ve got a lethal combination.
The GT3 is a superb vehicle, but I’m afraid I prefer the GT2…the boost keeps you busy.
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Heaviely modified 993 my foot. That thing is so 4x'ed it looks like its going to roll. Who's the clown giving the hang loose with his arm 2 ft out the window- officials love rookies like that.
I would eat that little black 993 for lunch. Heck, I have proof of eating a full race version 930 TT. That 993 street car would be gobbled up. There is a GT2 in the back of that pack also. Its Dallas Raines best friend (the white car). I just drove this car by Don's shop yesterday- it is streetable- barely. This was a private event at Calif Speedway front stright sequence on bottom of link page.
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/518752/4
Anytime you want to play with the bigboys Mikey, I got that covered also after I school you in the wifes car.
I would eat that little black 993 for lunch. Heck, I have proof of eating a full race version 930 TT. That 993 street car would be gobbled up. There is a GT2 in the back of that pack also. Its Dallas Raines best friend (the white car). I just drove this car by Don's shop yesterday- it is streetable- barely. This was a private event at Calif Speedway front stright sequence on bottom of link page.
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/518752/4
Anytime you want to play with the bigboys Mikey, I got that covered also after I school you in the wifes car.
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Originally posted by RTFC
Heaviely modified 993 my foot. That thing is so 4x'ed it looks like its going to roll. Who's the clown giving the hang loose with his arm 2 ft out the window- officials love rookies like that.
I would eat that little black 993 for lunch. Heck, I have proof of eating a full race version 930 TT. That 993 street car would be gobbled up. There is a GT2 in the back of that pack also. Its Dallas Raines best friend (the white car). I just drove this car by Don's shop yesterday- it is streetable- barely. This was a private event at Calif Speedway front stright sequence on bottom of link page.
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/518752/4
Anytime you want to play with the bigboys Mikey, I got that covered also after I school you in the wifes car.
Heaviely modified 993 my foot. That thing is so 4x'ed it looks like its going to roll. Who's the clown giving the hang loose with his arm 2 ft out the window- officials love rookies like that.
I would eat that little black 993 for lunch. Heck, I have proof of eating a full race version 930 TT. That 993 street car would be gobbled up. There is a GT2 in the back of that pack also. Its Dallas Raines best friend (the white car). I just drove this car by Don's shop yesterday- it is streetable- barely. This was a private event at Calif Speedway front stright sequence on bottom of link page.
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/518752/4
Anytime you want to play with the bigboys Mikey, I got that covered also after I school you in the wifes car.
For clarification this is the 993 in question.
#73
In Mike's defense about that GT2 being "lifted" ... that is true! When I first saw that picture, that is the conclusion I came to. The car is light due to that portion of Willows Spring, clearly visible in the picture.
Mike, maybe we can do a club thing at Willow with some of these guys. I would love to run up there.
Mike, maybe we can do a club thing at Willow with some of these guys. I would love to run up there.
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Originally posted by RTFC
I would eat that little black 993 for lunch...
...Anytime you want to play with the bigboys Mikey, I got that covered also after I school you in the wifes car.
I would eat that little black 993 for lunch...
...Anytime you want to play with the bigboys Mikey, I got that covered also after I school you in the wifes car.
Originally posted by ReddRocket
Dude you may be able to read but you certainly cant comprehend...
The only this I’m putting between my legs is you while I’m repositioning for a heated session of reverse cowboy.
Dude you may be able to read but you certainly cant comprehend...
The only this I’m putting between my legs is you while I’m repositioning for a heated session of reverse cowboy.
Man, this is getting good... I may just have to cxl my Sunday plans and take a trip out to the track!
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I am assuming Kenneth D Marks is RaiderKen- I have a fan club, would ya looky there. Just remember guys, I didn't start this smack talk challange that will end up embarassing Mike, He did. I am going for fun, but I will be there ready as I am for any other driving event I do. I am glad to see its about time this group of guys gets together for a non-drag racing event even if it isn't a so called group event. I like to have fun and its better sharing with others of the same interest and enthusiasm. I just didn't know one of you was related to Mohammod Ali.
Anyways, Sent the wife an hour and a half ago to drop by and pick me up some return hose for the powersteering pump. (I have a spare unit off the 60K mile 3.4 I picked up that I am swapping in. Its dry and clean off that motor and should be fine. Mine had a hard aprox 160K on it.) Wife loves to shop and no doubt her and the daugther are out buying crap and keeping me waiting. So I figured I'd jump on here and continue the circus.
Mikey, Your gonna loose........
Gotta get back to winding my rubberband. Now am I suppose to use the yellow rubberband, or was it the red one?
Anyways, Sent the wife an hour and a half ago to drop by and pick me up some return hose for the powersteering pump. (I have a spare unit off the 60K mile 3.4 I picked up that I am swapping in. Its dry and clean off that motor and should be fine. Mine had a hard aprox 160K on it.) Wife loves to shop and no doubt her and the daugther are out buying crap and keeping me waiting. So I figured I'd jump on here and continue the circus.
Mikey, Your gonna loose........
Gotta get back to winding my rubberband. Now am I suppose to use the yellow rubberband, or was it the red one?
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And to add to Ron's prep list on tips for everyone,
Make sure to lower your tire pressure so you get real good traction through the starting timer.
And ArmorAll your sidewall so they look nice and pretty all the way over the edge tread. There's alot of nice looking cars out there and you want to be sharp looking also.
Bring you AAA card in case you have no tread left from over driving your car.
Make sure to lower your tire pressure so you get real good traction through the starting timer.
And ArmorAll your sidewall so they look nice and pretty all the way over the edge tread. There's alot of nice looking cars out there and you want to be sharp looking also.
Bring you AAA card in case you have no tread left from over driving your car.
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It would appear that there is a lesson to be learned here.
Don't go fishing with Mikey, when he baits his hook he catches the big fish.
Even a fish wouldn't get in trouble if it would keep it's mouth closed.
Don't go fishing with Mikey, when he baits his hook he catches the big fish.
Even a fish wouldn't get in trouble if it would keep it's mouth closed.
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Originally posted by RTFC
I am assuming Kenneth D Marks is RaiderKen
I am assuming Kenneth D Marks is RaiderKen
Anyways...Its not that I dont think Mike is a supremely qualified driver. Its just that he has only been autocrossing 1 other time.
Also, your car, with its V6 and every single trick piece of suspension, is porbably more setup for auto-crossing than his.
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Originally posted by injdinjn
It would appear that there is a lesson to be learned here.
Don't go fishing with Mikey, when he baits his hook he catches the big fish.
Even a fish wouldn't get in trouble if it would keep it's mouth closed.
It would appear that there is a lesson to be learned here.
Don't go fishing with Mikey, when he baits his hook he catches the big fish.
Even a fish wouldn't get in trouble if it would keep it's mouth closed.
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Originally posted by cali92RS
Anyways...Its not that I dont think Mike is a supremely qualified driver. Its just that he has only been autocrossing 1 other time.
Also, your car, with its V6 and every single trick piece of suspension, is porbably more setup for auto-crossing than his.
Anyways...Its not that I dont think Mike is a supremely qualified driver. Its just that he has only been autocrossing 1 other time.
Also, your car, with its V6 and every single trick piece of suspension, is porbably more setup for auto-crossing than his.
Brakes have gotten to the point that good aftermarket pads
and High temp fluid will work fine in a autocross and track sessions. If you go full time track racing then I would go with the biggest brakes that the rules allow.
As for driving ability, a autocross racer that moves up to track
racing usually has a easier time adjusting to driving on a race track and being competitive.
While a track racer that goes autocrossing will have a harder time adjusting to the more precision driving lines needed to be competitive on a autocross course.
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From: Yes I'm Dean
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Originally posted by injdinjn
It would appear that there is a lesson to be learned here.
Don't go fishing with Mikey, when he baits his hook he catches the big fish.
Even a fish wouldn't get in trouble if it would keep it's mouth closed.
It would appear that there is a lesson to be learned here.
Don't go fishing with Mikey, when he baits his hook he catches the big fish.
Even a fish wouldn't get in trouble if it would keep it's mouth closed.
Last edited by RTFC; 06-25-2005 at 09:32 AM.
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Originally posted by cali92RS
Anyways...Its not that I dont think Mike is a supremely qualified driver. Its just that he has only been autocrossing 1 other time.
Also, your car, with its V6 and every single trick piece of suspension, is porbably more setup for auto-crossing than his.
Anyways...Its not that I dont think Mike is a supremely qualified driver. Its just that he has only been autocrossing 1 other time.
Also, your car, with its V6 and every single trick piece of suspension, is porbably more setup for auto-crossing than his.
If you all someday want to see my real car in action, I CONSITENTLY ran in the top 10 times of the day in a car that had no powersteering and beam of 77" on the rear tire width. Very often I was top 2 beating even the open wheel cars all but Guy Ankeny- all depends on the track layout. Want to play for real someday? try out running my V6 first.
Some people need to learn not to prejudge someone they not know- wise words also
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Originally posted by ReddRocket
Dean, what are you going to do when you lose?
Dean, what are you going to do when you lose?
Ha!
Like I said it will be a fair race and the loser will have nothing to blame but their driving. The cars have comparable quality components and both have been given enough otice to where even Dean had changed his whole exhaust system in order to find more power. But both can be easily beat in the straight line by any a Geo Metro.
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From: Mo.
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Originally posted by ReddRocket
Dean, what are you going to do when you lose?
Dean, what are you going to do when you lose?
The serious question for you is what are you going to do if "YOU"
get beat? It works both ways
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Brake fluid flushed, fluids topped off, custom chip & vacuum adjustable TBI installed. Car packed. See y'all there.
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I'll let everyone else post their own results.
Run #1: 74.842
Run #2: 70.056
Run #3: 69.846
No spins, no cones down.
Lon
Run #1: 74.842
Run #2: 70.056
Run #3: 69.846
No spins, no cones down.
Lon
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From: Yes I'm Dean
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So is everyone now going to accept the validity of the video that was posted of me running on the bumper of the GT40 around a 60mph sweeper at Calif Speedway and we were BOTH pushing the cars hard through that sweeper like the video shows?
He obviously left me down the straightaways, I have no contest there with 165hp.
Gotta now at least give this little car a little credit- I do not BS
Also have to give me credit that I was not talking smack (well not entirely), I mostly just giving an accurate prediction. I stated above that if Mike had "only" about the same power I did that I would get him by about a least 4 seconds.......I got him by 3.928 seconds. I was very close on my prediction.
He obviously left me down the straightaways, I have no contest there with 165hp.
Gotta now at least give this little car a little credit- I do not BS
Also have to give me credit that I was not talking smack (well not entirely), I mostly just giving an accurate prediction. I stated above that if Mike had "only" about the same power I did that I would get him by about a least 4 seconds.......I got him by 3.928 seconds. I was very close on my prediction.
Last edited by RTFC; 06-28-2005 at 12:24 PM.
#94
Originally posted by BrandenCali
I still suggest a better track.. For these 2 well experienced drivers..
I still suggest a better track.. For these 2 well experienced drivers..
What better track do you suggest? AutoX is where skill is really needed to be victorious, all other 'tracks' can be victorious with more HP, with less skill.
#95
Originally posted by 12secSS
Branden
What better track do you suggest? AutoX is where skill is really needed to be victorious, all other 'tracks' can be victorious with more HP, with less skill.
Branden
What better track do you suggest? AutoX is where skill is really needed to be victorious, all other 'tracks' can be victorious with more HP, with less skill.
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Autox is the most precise and and demanding type of racing there is next to rally car racing. Make a mistake in a rally car and you either kill 10 stupid spectators or you kill yourself and your navigator when you slide off a mountainside cliff.
AutoX its you and the car vs the time. You are contantly working the wheel and the pedals, or should be unless you lack power or do not have the car on edge. Roadracing faster and thus more dangerous because of traffic, yet you do have time to relax in between corners and can make up for mistakes in laps to come.
Autocross you only get three unpreaacticed runs to go as fast as you can and thats it. Mistakes count and count hard. It is very demanding and is the very bst venue to show a driver's skill level.
The most fustrating part of autox is you have to realize early on that it does not matter what the small skinnier cars are running. You have to compare yourself and car to others your same width. The trasitioning and tightness of corners demands that the wider and heavier cars always be subject to a higher scrub angle on the tires to run the same transitions as a car narrower. Hence why most of the smaller car were consistantly running about 3-5 seconds faster times than we.
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Let me try and explain this better. Take the center line of a third gen and then measure its distance to the outer left and right sides of the car- we are about 37" (the car fender, not the tire width- its the fender that will hit the cone). Now take a Mazda Miata that is more like 32".
On a slalom from left to right to left gates say staggered 10ft to the left and right, the center line of our car has to travel not only the center line lateral distance of 16' 4" (missing the cones by 1" on the apropriate sideof the car) compared to the Miata doing only 15' 6". BUT we also have to maintain that lateral distance in a forward motion for a longer bodied car and also do all this with much heavier polar weight. The larger car HAS TO turn the front wheels sharper in the same corners as the smaller cars.
On a road corse this is not the general case and a larger car can setup for a corner about as easy as a small car on a 50ft wide course. the only time you have this trouble is in a chicane. Autox in essence is all chicanes all the time. Much more gruling and mistake potential. You also heat the tires up much faster in autox.
AutoX its you and the car vs the time. You are contantly working the wheel and the pedals, or should be unless you lack power or do not have the car on edge. Roadracing faster and thus more dangerous because of traffic, yet you do have time to relax in between corners and can make up for mistakes in laps to come.
Autocross you only get three unpreaacticed runs to go as fast as you can and thats it. Mistakes count and count hard. It is very demanding and is the very bst venue to show a driver's skill level.
The most fustrating part of autox is you have to realize early on that it does not matter what the small skinnier cars are running. You have to compare yourself and car to others your same width. The trasitioning and tightness of corners demands that the wider and heavier cars always be subject to a higher scrub angle on the tires to run the same transitions as a car narrower. Hence why most of the smaller car were consistantly running about 3-5 seconds faster times than we.
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Let me try and explain this better. Take the center line of a third gen and then measure its distance to the outer left and right sides of the car- we are about 37" (the car fender, not the tire width- its the fender that will hit the cone). Now take a Mazda Miata that is more like 32".
On a slalom from left to right to left gates say staggered 10ft to the left and right, the center line of our car has to travel not only the center line lateral distance of 16' 4" (missing the cones by 1" on the apropriate sideof the car) compared to the Miata doing only 15' 6". BUT we also have to maintain that lateral distance in a forward motion for a longer bodied car and also do all this with much heavier polar weight. The larger car HAS TO turn the front wheels sharper in the same corners as the smaller cars.
On a road corse this is not the general case and a larger car can setup for a corner about as easy as a small car on a 50ft wide course. the only time you have this trouble is in a chicane. Autox in essence is all chicanes all the time. Much more gruling and mistake potential. You also heat the tires up much faster in autox.
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Originally posted by BrandenCali
Anything with curve that is permanent is what I was thinking of.. Not that the cone thing does not work.. But a track with more angles..
Anything with curve that is permanent is what I was thinking of.. Not that the cone thing does not work.. But a track with more angles..
Auto-X is the big equalizer. Horsepower is not a big factor. A small 4 cylinder in the hands of a good driver can walk all over a big V8.
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From: Yes I'm Dean
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Here's a chart I made showing two cars running through 3 gates of cones. Green is our larger 3rdgens, the blue is a small car like an EVO. You can see how we need to clear the gat in more of a forward direction, then turn a sharper angle to the next gate where we need to then enter a a sooner vertical angle do to us again being longer arching the cone.
#99
Originally posted by BrandenCali
Anything with curve that is permanent is what I was thinking of.. Not that the cone thing does not work.. But a track with more angles..
Anything with curve that is permanent is what I was thinking of.. Not that the cone thing does not work.. But a track with more angles..
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4 cylinder in the hands of a good driver can walk all over a big V8.
I need rims tires and diff springs.