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Old 05-01-2018, 07:38 PM
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305 with quadra jet sputter down the road (Random)

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Yesterday was my first run with my camaro this year. I drove it about 40 miles yesterday without any problem. Today, after about 15 miles of driving, i was accelerating steady and engine suddenly began to sputter, cutting In and Out while driving during about 15 seconds. It seemed to lack of gas but the tank was almost full. However, the engine didnt stalled and suddenly ran ok, so i went to home. Started the engine not completely cold then go to gas station at 10 miles. No problem. 1 mile after, the engine began sputter inch in and out like before for a few seconds but not so bad (not Stalling), so i drove 15 miles and the car began to sputter in and out, then stalled completely. I started it, drove 100 feet and stalled again. No start at all and no explosion while cranking. After 5 min, it started fine than stalled after a second, but when i tried again, nothing. Towing Towed me at home and i tried to start after an hour... nothing at all. I removed the fuel filter hose, changed fuel filter éven it seemed ok. I cranked the engine with hose of and fuel pump pressure was ok. After reconnecting hose the car started like new. I drove down the streets and all was ok. I added a can of alcohol in the case There was water in gas. I insulated fuel hoses in case it was a vapor Lock. Drove 15 miles and it started to sputter in and out, but was idling fine. Gone back in the road for 10 miles and all were ok. Tomorrow, I have 150 miles to drive so I fear to have problems. I want to repair it before.

I have the car since 1 year. Last year the engine had a full gasket and rings refresh. The mechanical pump is new. Carburetor was rebuild, cleaned and adjusted. The spark plugs, wires, cap and rotor, ignition coil, ignition module was changed last year too. BUT the pickup coil was not replaced. After this repairs, I drove it daily for 8000 miles without any problem. But now, the season isn’t beginning good!

Do you have ideas of things that could cause sputtering when warm like this. And why it’s intermittent? It seems to Sputter differently than misfires, because its smoother than Misfires when it bogs down.

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Re: 305 with quadra jet sputter down the road (Random)

Does it have a fuel regulator between mechanical pump and carburetor? I had one of those cause almost the same issues, I removed it and ran fine ever since.
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Re: 305 with quadra jet sputter down the road (Random)

No fuel regulator.
the routing of the fuel delivery hose is : tank strainer, hose, aftermarket filter to protect the pump, hose, mechanical fuel pump, hose, and fuel filter in carburetor.

I plan to drive the car until it stalls completely and carry my tools with me to check what is going wrong but I need suggestions and know how to check parts.

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Re: 305 with quadra jet sputter down the road (Random)

Pour some of that dry gas into the carb's fuel bowl. Even better would be denatured alcohol.
You said this was the first run this year, so I suspect water also.
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Re: 305 with quadra jet sputter down the road (Random)

Hello,
now, the car runs fine excepted it sputtered a bit on the last run. I was going up a 6% Hill and just at the top it sputtered, but not stalled. It done the problem 5 times. The first time, it was a few seconds after rolling on a bump. The second time, I was departing from the gas station, accelerating. Third time, I was departing from a rest area and it stalled. On the fourth incident, i accelerated after restarting. Then after I put a bottle of alcohol for cars before last run, but the tank was full already, so I don’t know if it blended correctly. And the last run, 5th time, going up that 6% Hill.


Do do you think one bottle of Kleen Flo alcohol is Enough.

When i will retry, the car will have sat for about 14 hours. The water density is 1 per m3, weight more than alcohol which is 0.792 per m3, weight more than gas (680-790 per m3). So maybe it will mix correctly at the next bump or sharp Turn?

The car sat for 8 months with 2/3 tank, outside with temperatures of sometimes -20F.

If if you have other ideas it would be nice Too. I want to bring tools in case the problem appears again to find the trouble. Now the car is ok so it’s hard to find.

Does mechanical fuel pump could fail randomly? (Its new of last year)
Pickup coil in Distributor?
Carb? (Rebuild by me with ac Delco kit, but I put several thousand miles without problem since)
Vapor lock? (It’s possible the gas station had 5-10% ethanol. I put gas one time (full tank) at least 40 Miles before the first incident and full the tank again as described, so 2 times.
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Re: 305 with quadra jet sputter down the road (Random)

It's not water in the fuel.

Not ethanol.

Not the distributor.

DEFINITELY NOT "vapor lock".

Probably not "blend".

It's a fuel delivery problem. Pure and simple. The carb fuel bowl runs dry after several seconds of high demand, like accelerating onto a freeway, going up a hill, etc. It's all right there in your posts.

See my signature for a helpful mental technique to keep your diagnostics on the rails and out of the weeds.

First thing to do would be to replace the fuel filter(s). Doesn't matter if they're brand new, or what; just replace em. Don't argue, don't "but... but... butt...", don't delay; just do it. I'd be willing to bet that the one in the carb is puffed up from being blocked.
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Re: 305 with quadra jet sputter down the road (Random)

I will put another can Of alcohol and tank full with 91 octane. I will bring my tools and run it until it stalls. Pray for me... I need some advices to make tests alone when engine hot...
i plan to check the fuel cap is venting correctly, then check if there is gas in carb when I accelerate after the engine stalled. After that, I will make tests with pickup coil and coil ohm resistance, but it seems a pain of the *** to check that on the side of the road . I think the most important is to make my tests when the car doesn’t start. Hope it was just water and the gas line will helps.
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Re: 305 with quadra jet sputter down the road (Random)

OK, i will replace the two fuel filters. But after that, what should I test if the problem is still there?
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Re: 305 with quadra jet sputter down the road (Random)

Replace the pump, It's cheap and easy to replace, even if it's not the problem then you have both filters and pump replaced all that's left is in the carb itself.
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Re: 305 with quadra jet sputter down the road (Random)

When I opened the old fuel filter on carb, I have seen a little rubber debris of 1/8 inch inside. Is it possible it’s a fuel pump debris or more hose debris?
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Re: 305 with quadra jet sputter down the road (Random)

If after replacing filters, etc, it still does it upon occasion, try bringing it up to a high idle and then hold your hand over the top of the carburetor to choke it. Almost kill it and then take your hand off. It's easier to do with a friend, but you can do it by adjusting the idle speed screw or even just opening the throttle lever by hand. Try it a couple of times if you want. Sometimes if there's trash in the carb, the suction caused by restricting the air will pull it through.
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Re: 305 with quadra jet sputter down the road (Random)

After you replace fuel filter, cut open the old one.




Looks good on outside. Not very many miles. Pickup broken and tank rusting out.
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Re: 305 with quadra jet sputter down the road (Random)

I cutted it and all was ok excepted a little rubber debris, not enough to clog the filter.
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I drove 40 miles on the hills and it finally sputtered than stalled. It was possible to not stall if I let off the gas, but it gets worse every minute, i ended up slow down from 60 mph to 20 mph then it stalled definitely. It was not able to start. I unplugged the hose from tank to carburetor and it was completely dry. I put this hose on a jug than cranked 10 seconds... dry again. I sucked the hose between the pump and tank with my mouth and was able to suck gas easily. I put snow from the side of the road to cool the pump, put the hose in a jug and cranked. Not a lot of gas but it pumped gas. I plugged the hose to carb and it started fine. I will let the engine coil completely, go back home and replace the pump...
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Re: 305 with quadra jet sputter down the road (Random)

Electronic carb? If so then probably the electronic accelerator , other than that inlet valve sticking. When it acts up try whacking the carb near the fuel inlet valve with something and see if it starts working. Did you suck gas behind the fuel pump or in front? Pull hose at carb and crank engine over should squirt gas two or three feet if pump is working right.
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Re: 305 with quadra jet sputter down the road (Random)

I sucked the hose between the pump and the tank. When I done the test, the pump pumped absolutely nothing. When cold, the pump squirts but not as much as you say.
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Re: 305 with quadra jet sputter down the road (Random)

Replaced the pump, and no issue at all since. I drove 150 miles without problem !
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Re: 305 with quadra jet sputter down the road (Random)

this is one of those "little wins" that makes me love this forum. half a dozen people sharing experiences and all pretty much all on the same thought track

glad you got it sorted.
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Now we know what those little rubber bits were in the filter - the FP diaphragm.
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If the pump diaphragm disintegrated, you should probably change the oil NOW. That's the barrier between fuel and crankcase. Don't be too surprised if you now have twice as much "oil" as you used to, and it reeks of gasoline.
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I think it’s a bit of hose... I have seen bubbles from the outside of the pump. I think the pump gets air from outside when hot because the seal between the aluminium and metal expands and come loose. The problem is worse when hot but not seems to be the diaphragm. I will change the oil today in prevention.
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One reason to never use fuel with any ethanol content, It will rot out the fuel lines from the inside out, I replaced a line looked brand new on the outside but severely cracked and falling apart on the inside and only a few years old too, I guess ethanol causes that I switched to premium without ethanol in all my older cars and small engines and no problems since.
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Re: 305 with quadra jet sputter down the road (Random)

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One reason to never use fuel with any ethanol content, It will rot out the fuel lines from the inside out, I replaced a line looked brand new on the outside but severely cracked and falling apart on the inside and only a few years old too, I guess ethanol causes that I switched to premium without ethanol in all my older cars and small engines and no problems since.
Does using fuel-injection hose help any with this problem?
I can't get non-ethanol fuel.
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Re: 305 with quadra jet sputter down the road (Random)

They do make rubber hose that will stand up to ethanol, but you would have to find a fuel pump that can withstand ethanol as well or the rubber diaphragm will break down.
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Virtually all fuel pumps made today are capable of handling ethanol... after all, virtually ALL gasoline made for the last 15 or 20 years has had that in it, and the fuel pump people aren't SO STUPID that they've failed to notice it.

Now, taking a NOS one from the 80s and trying to use it with today's fuel? THAT would be a recipe for disaster.
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Re: 305 with quadra jet sputter down the road (Random)

I have been in this situation before :/

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