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New third-gen owner and have a weird problem. I've owned my third gen for about 5 months now and I've never had gauge lights. I've changed bulbs, fuses and the whole panel twice with still no luck. I've heard the dimmer switch may be affecting the no lights but all other interior lights work beside the gauge lights. exhausted all my ideas and could'nt find a thread anywhere for this problem.
Make sure the dash dimmer control is set at the bright position, then using a voltmeter or test light (the type for testing for voltage, not a continuity tester) probe BOTH sides of the INST LPS fuse.
If there is no power both sides check for power on the orange wire at the headlight switch.
Then check for power on the dark green wire at the headlight switch.
If all other interior lights work then I lean towards it being an issue after the headlight switch. Here is a pin out of the instrument cluster connector.
not to revive a dying/ dead thread, but in in the same pickle on an 87 bird. the only dash lights that don' work are the backlighting lights for the gauges. the turn signals warning lights etc on the dash all work, all interior lights work, bulbs are good, fuse is good etc, I'm at a loss
according to post 3, check both sides of the fuse, done. the it says IF there is NO power on both sides then check the orange and green wires. I do have power on both sides. and is that fuse only good for the back lighting bulbs?
If you have power on the green wire at the ip it must be a connection issue at the ip or ground.
Looking at the schematic the fuse is for the ip only 5 amp, the tail light illumination has another fuse.
Last edited by Tuned Performance; 04-06-2018 at 12:52 PM.
just found this, might be helpful to anyone else in this situation Background Information:
It's a common complaint among thirdgen firebird owners to hear: "My dashboard lights don't turn on when i turn on the headlights". Not being able to see the speedometer at night is dangerous and potentially expensive if a speeding ticket is received.
1985-1992 firebirds use an NPN power transistor called a "remote dimmer" to control the brightness of the instrument panel backlighting. 1982-1984 firebirds do not have a "remote dimmer", nor do any thirdgen camaros regardless of model year.
The remote dimmer works behind the scenes, the only interaction with the vehicle operator is through the dimmer wheel located near the headlight switch.
Below are the electrical wiring diagrams for instrument panel illumination:
As can be seen by the diagrams above, the speedometer, fuel guage, tachometer (if so equipped), water temp guage (if so equipped), and gear selector indicator are supposed to be illuminated when the headlights or parking lamps are turned on.
If the remote dimmer were to be removed from the circuit pictured above, no power would be applied to the "INST LPS" fuse. Transistors sometimes suddenly fail and never again conduct electricity. But a more common scenario would be that the transistor works intermittently, sometimes the dash lights work, but sometimes they don't turn on when the headlights are turned on.
The headlight warning buzzer also gets headlamp on signal from the remote dimmer. Additionally the factory radio receives an illumination signal from the remote dimmer. If the remote dimmer has failed, the factory radio display will completly blank out whenever headlamps are turned on.
Diagnostics:
First make sure that the exterior taillamp bulbs illuminate when the headlamp switch is turned on. If the bulbs do not illuminate, correct the parking light issue before proceding.
With the headlamps turned on, remove the fuse panel cover and remove the "TAIL" and "INST LPS" fuses. Attach one lead of a voltmeter to a suitable grounding location such as a metal screw or metal dashboard support bracket. Now touch the positive lead of the voltmeter to each of the two terminals of the taillamp fuse socket one at a time. One terminal should read approximetetly 12Volts. If neither of the terminals has a reading, find an alternate grounding location and try the procedure again. If readings still do not register, repair or replace the defective voltmeter. Now place the taillamp fuse back into it's socket.
Attach the positive terminal of the voltmeter to each terminal of the "INST LPS" fuse socket one at a time. While holding the voltmeter probe in the fuse socket, turn the instrument panel dimmer wheel. If any readings significantly above 0 volts are received and the dashboard lights are not illuminated, the problem is probably not with the remote dimmer. Carefully inspect the fuse, wiring between the fuse and bulb sockets, grounds, and the bulbs themselves. G200 is located below the drivers dash and attached to the metal dash support. It is possible for all the bulbs to burn out, but is not likely.
Now turn off the headlamps to prevent battery drain.
Remote Dimmer Replacement:
First part of replacing the remote dimmer is finding it (it's well hidden and difficult to locate). Remote dimmer is located on the metal dashboard support bracket on the bottom of the dash. The dashboard support bracket has a big U-shape to it above the steering column. The remote dimmer is located on the side of the U towards the passengers side of the car, behind the ALDL diagnostic connector and above the convience cluster that houses the turn signal flasher and seatbelt/headlight/key in ignition buzzer. To access the buzzer, you'll need to remove the drivers underdash panel and lower the convience cluster.
Now that the remote dimmer has been located, reach up in the dash and unbolt it.
Will be three wires on the remote dimmer connector (brown, dark green, and dark green with white stripe). If the brown wire is shorted together with the dark green wire, the dash lights will turn on at full brightness with no dimming if the headlamps are turned on. If instrument panel lamp dimming capability is desired, replace the remote dimmer transistor assembly.
Are two choices for replacement:
Replace the entire remote dimmer assembly complete with heatsink (Approximate parts cost at GM dealer: $45)
Replace just the npn power transistor with it's radioshack equivalent. Make sure to apply some dielectric grease. (Appoximate parts cost: $5)
If the dash lights still don't illuminate or do not dim smoothly as the dimmer wheel is moved, the problem is likely with the dimmer rheostat itself or the wiring between the rheostat and the remote dimmer.
03-27-2018, 01:53 PM
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