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Old 02-20-2018, 06:38 AM
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I’ve been on the hunt for the perfect (for me) 3rd gen for a while now, and during that time, I’ve amassed a bit of information on what I plan on doing to the car. I was raised with an iroc in the family, and have always loved muscle cars, but recently have taken a liking to some jdm stuff. I don’t want to rice a firebird out, but a nod to that would be cool. I’m most likely going to run a modified Denko widebody, which adds about an inch and a half to the car. I want to run a set of mst suzuka’s, which are an rpf1 style wheel but with a much deeper dish. They are 18x11+12, but they are a 5x114.3 lug pattern. Because of that, I’d have to run a wheel adapter, which is virtually an inch and a half spacer. I’m not sure on tire size but from what I’ve read, had the wheels been a 5x120.7, they would’ve fit the stock body ok, but with the widebody, this should fit well shouldn’t it? I want to run a wider square setup, like 285-305s, but I’m not sure on what will fit. Any help would be great. Thanks!

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Re: A different approach to wheels...

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I'd avoid wheel adapters. If you're set on doing some wheels that don't come in the correct bolt pattern then you'll want to look at changing out your hubs.
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I'd avoid wheel adapters. If you're set on doing some wheels that don't come in the correct bolt pattern then you'll want to look at changing out your hubs.
What's the matter with them? Plenty of people use spacers on here, and a guy I know ran them on his wrx for like two years with no problem. The thing with changing the hubs out is it's incredibly expensive, and harder to do. Plus, with the widebody I plan on doing eventually, the wheels are slightly too small, even as 11's. The inch or so spacer would allow me to fix that without going with a bigger wheel (harder to find tires).
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Re: A different approach to wheels...

What exactly are you going for - a stretched tire, one that fills up a arched widebody?

285 on a 11.5" wheel would be a slight stretch - 305 would look exactly like a 275 on a 9.5" wheel.
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Re: A different approach to wheels...

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What exactly are you going for - a stretched tire, one that fills up a arched widebody?

285 on a 11.5" wheel would be a slight stretch - 305 would look exactly like a 275 on a 9.5" wheel.
well I would like a more track oriented fitment, but 305's and up for an 18 are harder to find, and to boot expensive. seeing as how the rim is an 11, I was thinking maybe a 285 or 295 would work. With the widebody, it would be best if it was a flush fitment, although I'm not 100% on how the wheel adapter/spacer would affect that. I believe that if the rim i was looking at was a 5x120.7, that it would fit the stock body ok. It is a 18x11 +12, and with the widebody adding an inch and a half, adding the spacer should fill that gap fairly well, but like I've said, I'm not 100%. The wheel calculator doesn't rally help me in this situation, so anyone with more knowledge on this than me chime in please!
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Re: A different approach to wheels...

A 295 would work well with an 11" wheel, 10.5" too. 305 works with an 11" also.

I suggest that you think about the 1" idea. That is, go for a wheel 1" narrower than the section width of the tire and that is an optimal place for performance - BMW has been doing this for years now. So as an example, a 255mm tire is 10" wide - so you will want a 9" wheel to mount it on. So a 305mm tire is 12" wide and an 11" wheel would be an excellent size to use. There is a bit of leeway on that ideology - you could run that 255 on a 8.5" or 9.5" also, but I would err on a slightly wider wheel than a narrower one personally.


Originally Posted by Want_a_v8
well I would like a more track oriented fitment, but 305's and up for an 18 are harder to find, and to boot expensive. seeing as how the rim is an 11, I was thinking maybe a 285 or 295 would work. With the widebody, it would be best if it was a flush fitment, although I'm not 100% on how the wheel adapter/spacer would affect that. I believe that if the rim i was looking at was a 5x120.7, that it would fit the stock body ok. It is a 18x11 +12, and with the widebody adding an inch and a half, adding the spacer should fill that gap fairly well, but like I've said, I'm not 100%. The wheel calculator doesn't rally help me in this situation, so anyone with more knowledge on this than me chime in please!
Thanks!
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Re: A different approach to wheels...

I would recommend finishing your widebody first and then measure the difference from stock. It's impossible for us to say what offset and width would work with a situation that has so many variables. In the end, it will probably be best to have custom adapters made with the exact width you'd need. Plenty of guys on here are running 2" spacers to use Corvette wheels, so a 1-2" adapter is no problem. It may wear out your wheel bearing faster though, because you will be changing your track width. Also, suspension travel can increase because you are essentially lengthening the lever arm of your suspension. I experienced this when I had 1" spacers on a Subaru and I had to remove them because the car felt floaty with them on.
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Originally Posted by Want_a_v8
What's the matter with them? Plenty of people use spacers on here, and a guy I know ran them on his wrx for like two years with no problem. The thing with changing the hubs out is it's incredibly expensive, and harder to do. Plus, with the widebody I plan on doing eventually, the wheels are slightly too small, even as 11's. The inch or so spacer would allow me to fix that without going with a bigger wheel (harder to find tires).
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On a street-car probably nothing, as you're going for a cosmetic change. But for track-use I'd be worried about the safety implications of the extra stress on the suspension, etc (because you're changing the geometry and making the spacer the stress point as opposed to the hub).

I understand that it's more expensive to swap hubs, etc, but at the point that you're going with a widebody kit, rims, tires, it seems like cutting a corner to go with spacers.

In the end, it's your car and you have a vision for it, that's just my
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