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Hey folks! I've been a reader for a while, and a member and for a short while. However this is my first post. My apologies if this is one of those forums where I need to hit the newbie thread first. Just thought you might be interested in my players car. I don't have much history on the car but I do know it was never raced. As far as I can tell it appears to be a very clean tight original 1991 z-28 R7U car. So far it is the only 91 dark red with red interior package I have seen... And yes that is the 19 car in the back ground. Sadly it is not mine. It belongs to a good friend/business partner. I would love to get more info on the car if anyone has any. Thanks!
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Does it have the 1LE brakes like the Ad says?
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Hey folks! I've been a reader for a while, and a member and for a short while. However this is my first post. My apologies if this is one of those forums where I need to hit the newbie thread first. Just thought you might be interested in my players car. I don't have much history on the car but I do know it was never raced. As far as I can tell it appears to be a very clean tight original 1991 z-28 R7U car. So far it is the only 91 dark red with red interior package I have seen... And yes that is the 19 car in the back ground. Sadly it is not mine. It belongs to a good friend/business partner. I would love to get more info on the car if anyone has any. Thanks!
Very cool! Low miles?
Whats the story on the 19 car - is it available?
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Thanks. 126k. I guess anything is for sale, but as far as I know the 19 is not for sale right now.
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On your 1991 ... sequence 177308 ... yes it is a "unicorn" as they say.
There were 3 Dark Red cars (code 75U) made in the 1991 production run. 2 had black interiors, and one had the red interior (which is your car). For sure one of the rarer colors.
In 1991 and 1992 GM used lots of funky colors vs. plain white. Perhaps trying to showcase the cars.
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PS. On the 19 car ... I still have some original decals from back in the day from that car. Some #19's and such. Perhaps the current owner would like them?
There were 3 Dark Red cars (code 75U) made in the 1991 production run. 2 had black interiors, and one had the red interior (which is your car). For sure one of the rarer colors.
In 1991 and 1992 GM used lots of funky colors vs. plain white. Perhaps trying to showcase the cars.
Mark.
PS. On the 19 car ... I still have some original decals from back in the day from that car. Some #19's and such. Perhaps the current owner would like them?
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On sale if anyone interested???
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I emailed the guy about that car, I wonder if he lowered the price because of my email. I told him that it did not have the 1LE RPO, but it had the A4U RPO which was the race car series car. Whether or not it has 1LE brakes (without the RPO) I do not know. As I have been told that in some cases the cars were stripped of their larger brakes after racing.
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1988 A4U came factory with the 1LE brake options. in 1987, A4U was over the counter brake upgrade. So this 88 should have them.
But it is true some cars were scavenged. My 88 TA did not have them when I got it. I've since found a 1988 set - which is unique being the first year. Slightly different casting and fitment.
Part of what makes an 88 valuable is the race car "stuff" which includes the 1LE brakes. Still a cool car regardless ... but I am bias. :-)
But it is true some cars were scavenged. My 88 TA did not have them when I got it. I've since found a 1988 set - which is unique being the first year. Slightly different casting and fitment.
Part of what makes an 88 valuable is the race car "stuff" which includes the 1LE brakes. Still a cool car regardless ... but I am bias. :-)
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Thanks for the clarification...
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Guys, I need some life-coaching... Started going through my 88 A4U. I'm curious as to restoration feedback from those who have completed/ing. My goal is to restore to stock, add a race seat (to save the stock driver, and because I can!) and decals (no cage, and I will not race this car). I can get AC Delco parts at cost and figured that's best as it would be as close to factory. The panels are rough and I think replacement panels would be way easier. Any thoughts on future value impacts on restoring the easy way with new panels and AC parts (panels all #'s match now) vs. trying to salvage original panels and upgrading replacement parts to performance? I don't (currently) plan on selling (one never knows) but it would be nice to know I'm spending money restoring with some value.
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Guys, I need some life-coaching... Started going through my 88 A4U. I'm curious as to restoration feedback from those who have completed/ing. My goal is to restore to stock, add a race seat (to save the stock driver, and because I can!) and decals (no cage, and I will not race this car). I can get AC Delco parts at cost and figured that's best as it would be as close to factory. The panels are rough and I think replacement panels would be way easier. Any thoughts on future value impacts on restoring the easy way with new panels and AC parts (panels all #'s match now) vs. trying to salvage original panels and upgrading replacement parts to performance? I don't (currently) plan on selling (one never knows) but it would be nice to know I'm spending money restoring with some value.
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Thanks for the feedback Koopsy. I am on the fence, it has some rust which needs to be checked on the rear but that's a good suggestions for the rest, I have some room to store the parts (Mark had previously suggested the same for the suspension takeoff parts). I agree with you on the engine bay, I've got some neat markings on the coil strut mounts with measurements and initials; not perfect but very unique.
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That's really cool. I almost feel a responsibility as custodians of these cars to preserve them in some way at least.
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It seems that the current trend is 'preservation' in classic cars and historic race cars. Leaving the panels the way they are and how the car was raced is seen as cool. I think it is. A race car is supposed to have scars, every one of them tells a story. 'Restoring' the car and taking away that originality and patina could hurt the value, depending on who's interested. Some people want the car in as raced condition, some people like their cars perfect and as new. You said you don't want to sell it so really it's what you would like. I think replacing the panels with aftermarket and keeping the originals 'original' would be the way to go. Keep all the old parts original in case one day you decide to put it back to original. I am in the same predicament right now with my '91 R7U. I was going to repaint the valve covers etc. under the hood to make it look nice but I starting thinking that it's way cooler having the engine in its as raced condition with the yellow seal marks. Everything I replace I'm keeping, in case one day I decide to sell and originality is what a buyer is looking for. I'm replacing all the wear parts with acdelco as well, as close to original as possible.
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Well on my way home from a successful 4000km road trip. First stop was to pick up a 1988 A4U race engine complete with computer and race chip. Second was to pick up a 1991 R7U 1LE GM promo car, 130km hasn't seen much weather and in very good condition. 1 of 32 and one of 4 promo cars? Mark can you verify the promo cars in 1991?
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Well on my way home from a successful 4000km road trip. First stop was to pick up a 1988 A4U race engine complete with computer and race chip. Second was to pick up a 1991 R7U 1LE GM promo car, 130km hasn't seen much weather and in very good condition. 1 of 32 and one of 4 promo cars? Mark can you verify the promo cars in 1991?
The GM promo car is tough to prove without paperwork. I've found a number of people made tribute cars over the years, and even back in the day, a dealership would do the same with a spare car.
Things to check:
- If the paint is original, then look for old decals and signs of decals being removed.
- Check the PROM. A race prom would be a good sign.
- Being a promo car, it should have had a cage and exhaust installed for the "look". Verify the holes and such. Often I've seen the cars patched up after the cages were removed. On the race exhaust, there is a hanger bolt hole where the lower control arm bolts in.
- Being an eastern car ... check the vehicle registry to see who was the first to register it. After 1989, teams did not need to register and insure the cars in order to race. This makes it difficult to find out who owned them. Being a GM promo car, it would have been driven on the street is my guess. So the history should be there.
- GM Vintage will have the dealership who sold it. That might lead you somewhere.
Also something to keep in mind. Some promo cars were actually regular non-players cars. I have picture from 1989 that has cars all decaled up, cages, exhaust, but where regular cars. In later years, there were more spare cars, so genuine R7U's could have been used for promo cars (and for a spare in case someone wanted it).
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PM me the VIN and I can tell you if I have seen the car before. That may turn up some history as well.
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Thanks for the feedback Koopsy. I am on the fence, it has some rust which needs to be checked on the rear but that's a good suggestions for the rest, I have some room to store the parts (Mark had previously suggested the same for the suspension takeoff parts). I agree with you on the engine bay, I've got some neat markings on the coil strut mounts with measurements and initials; not perfect but very unique.
You can carefully detail the car while preserving it. Consider if the tags on the coils, swaybars, etc. are missing, replace them. Maybe paint up those items like original. This won't take away from the car. It's just restoring an original part vs. replacing it.
Rust is always ugly unless you are preserving a barn find.
Bottom line - it's your car. Enjoy it the best way you want to!
I personally think the "story" is the magic behind a Player's car.
Mark.
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Congrats on your lastest purchases.
Do you have any other pics of the 1991 promo car that you can share?
Where did you find it? I have a friend who owned a 1991 promo car back in 1995. It was first owned by gm of canada and around late 1991 or ealry 1992, it was brought to dean myers chev olds and sold to its first public owner. My friend was the 2nd owner.
Do you have any other pics of the 1991 promo car that you can share?
Where did you find it? I have a friend who owned a 1991 promo car back in 1995. It was first owned by gm of canada and around late 1991 or ealry 1992, it was brought to dean myers chev olds and sold to its first public owner. My friend was the 2nd owner.
Well on my way home from a successful 4000km road trip. First stop was to pick up a 1988 A4U race engine complete with computer and race chip. Second was to pick up a 1991 R7U 1LE GM promo car, 130km hasn't seen much weather and in very good condition. 1 of 32 and one of 4 promo cars? Mark can you verify the promo cars in 1991?
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Congrats on your lastest purchases.
Do you have any other pics of the 1991 promo car that you can share?
Where did you find it? I have a friend who owned a 1991 promo car back in 1995. It was first owned by gm of canada and around late 1991 or ealry 1992, it was brought to dean myers chev olds and sold to its first public owner. My friend was the 2nd owner.
Do you have any other pics of the 1991 promo car that you can share?
Where did you find it? I have a friend who owned a 1991 promo car back in 1995. It was first owned by gm of canada and around late 1991 or ealry 1992, it was brought to dean myers chev olds and sold to its first public owner. My friend was the 2nd owner.
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Couple of photos today!!
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Here is a picture of the 1988 race chip I got with engine and the engine ID stamp.
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I bet someone wants that VIN stamped block and would pay to get it......if it mathces their car.
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He still has the car, took out the 305 race engine to put in a 350 as he drag races it. He knows its a Players Car but didn't seem to care. Flat black with tan interior, no other race parts other than it had 1LE brakes on it but he wouldn't sell them (I checked) little to no rust. Was a one only color 63U – MEDIUM TAUPE METALLIC according to Mark. Told him when he's done with the car to call me I would like 1st dibs!!
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'88 #'s match Players W/1LE and he does not want the original block. Fascinating. "Not that there is anything wrong with that" Different strokes for diff folks BUT I want the original myself.
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Car: #33 1991 Players Challenge Camaro
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Hey guys, starting to go through my car and found something possibly interesting/really cool. Under the strut mounts on the passenger side there are extra holes drilled, maybe for a circle track set up? Or maybe it's just normal and not unique.
Right side:
Left side:
Right side:
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Car: 1988 A4U (#99 SONY/Protec)
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Hey all, Need some input again. Spent some time sleuthing today and think I might have figured out what car I have.. Thoughts? I'm thinking it may be Paul Gilgan (1988 SONY/Protec Camaro). Any comments or suggestions appreciated.
Driver's door handle (underside)
Driver's side window b-pillar.
Roof chips.
Rear hatch brake light.
Rear lights compartment (overspray)
Passenger side hood hinge.
Driver's door handle (underside)
Driver's side window b-pillar.
Roof chips.
Rear hatch brake light.
Rear lights compartment (overspray)
Passenger side hood hinge.
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Sorry Koopsy, didn't mean to hijack... just can't contain my excitement. Interestingly enough my car has the same marks but on both sides... Weird.
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Well that certainly will narrow the search down. That shade of yellow was Sony. Very cool.
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I have an early style (cuts through dash) Players Challenge partial original Davenport cage. It's the roof bars that run from the main hoop down the A- pillar to floor. Also the connecting cross bar that runs along the top of windshield. $150 usd plus shipping
Same for all 82-92 cars
Same for all 82-92 cars
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Most early ones did:
Some later designs did not:
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Some later designs did not:
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Thanks to everyone who replied to post on my 1988 #99 SONY/ESSO Protec Camaro. Quick update (if anyone cares!) I've managed to find Paul Gilgan and we have e-mailed. He doesn't have any pictures or documentation anymore BUT... it's possible he has the in-car footage from Westwood in 1988! He's back in June and I am hoping to meet him then if possible. Turns out the car was tuned by Warren Rowley, news to me. I'm also chasing down a lead for John Simonsen as well. I've found a photographer who has provided me with some pictures of Player's cars (he attended all the Race City races from 1987-1990) but still no pictures of my car. If any of you have my car in pictures (even in the background) I'd love to chat... Thanks guys.
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Thanks to everyone who replied to post on my 1988 #99 SONY/ESSO Protec Camaro. Quick update (if anyone cares!) I've managed to find Paul Gilgan and we have e-mailed. He doesn't have any pictures or documentation anymore BUT... it's possible he has the in-car footage from Westwood in 1988! He's back in June and I am hoping to meet him then if possible. Turns out the car was tuned by Warren Rowley, news to me. I'm also chasing down a lead for John Simonsen as well. I've found a photographer who has provided me with some pictures of Player's cars (he attended all the Race City races from 1987-1990) but still no pictures of my car. If any of you have my car in pictures (even in the background) I'd love to chat... Thanks guys.
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I'm not sure if this has been posted here or not:
http://www.autocourse.ca/index.php?file=results.html
Qualifying and finishing results from the series by year. I thought it was really cool to see how your car (driver) did throughout its career.
http://www.autocourse.ca/index.php?file=results.html
Qualifying and finishing results from the series by year. I thought it was really cool to see how your car (driver) did throughout its career.
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Thanks to everyone who replied to post on my 1988 #99 SONY/ESSO Protec Camaro. Quick update (if anyone cares!) I've managed to find Paul Gilgan and we have e-mailed. He doesn't have any pictures or documentation anymore BUT... it's possible he has the in-car footage from Westwood in 1988! He's back in June and I am hoping to meet him then if possible. Turns out the car was tuned by Warren Rowley, news to me. I'm also chasing down a lead for John Simonsen as well. I've found a photographer who has provided me with some pictures of Player's cars (he attended all the Race City races from 1987-1990) but still no pictures of my car. If any of you have my car in pictures (even in the background) I'd love to chat... Thanks guys.
I have slide from Race City I will have to go through.
Also check the players race videos on you tube. There are a few from 1988.
(scroll to 7:15 to see your car)
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I have slide from Race City I will have to go through.
Also check the players race videos on you tube. There are a few from 1988.
(scroll to 7:15 to see your car)
https://youtu.be/Vim90d6zM14
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Car: 1989 Camaro-1LE
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Transmission: 5 speed (MM5, MK6)
Axle/Gears: 3.45, 3.73
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Sharing some developments ...
For years I wanted to document what was different in the Players Race PROM as compared to a stock PROM. As things have worked out ... that goal has come true (A hats off to a fellow member Munyguy who help filled in one of the missing years)! I've finished mapping out the 87/88 and the 89. Next is to work on the 91/92.
Taking this one step further ... I am going to do up a small batch of reproductions. These will be exact replications of the race "code" used for the specific year. Along with each will be a letter that documents where the original source code came from, and then a breakdown of what was unique in that year. It's been cryptic to explain in simple terms, but I've done my best to provide some insight into the changes. For the most part, the air/fuel mapping is more precisely matched to the blueprinted engines, as well as some driver aids (shift light, fuel cut-off).
The adapters are the ever popular Craig Moates edition. They work extremely well. I've used them in a number of projects with zero issues. The decals are my basic attempt to catalog the batch as well provide a historical appearance. The stock one simply had yellow paint - but since that doesn't mean much to anyone, the decal felt like the right approach.
Next steps are to test run each versions in a real car and make sure they work as expected.
Cheers!
Mark.
For years I wanted to document what was different in the Players Race PROM as compared to a stock PROM. As things have worked out ... that goal has come true (A hats off to a fellow member Munyguy who help filled in one of the missing years)! I've finished mapping out the 87/88 and the 89. Next is to work on the 91/92.
Taking this one step further ... I am going to do up a small batch of reproductions. These will be exact replications of the race "code" used for the specific year. Along with each will be a letter that documents where the original source code came from, and then a breakdown of what was unique in that year. It's been cryptic to explain in simple terms, but I've done my best to provide some insight into the changes. For the most part, the air/fuel mapping is more precisely matched to the blueprinted engines, as well as some driver aids (shift light, fuel cut-off).
The adapters are the ever popular Craig Moates edition. They work extremely well. I've used them in a number of projects with zero issues. The decals are my basic attempt to catalog the batch as well provide a historical appearance. The stock one simply had yellow paint - but since that doesn't mean much to anyone, the decal felt like the right approach.
Next steps are to test run each versions in a real car and make sure they work as expected.
Cheers!
Mark.
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Car: #33 1991 Players Challenge Camaro
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Looks great! Thank you for all of your work. I can't wait to get one for my car!
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Car: 1989-92 FORMULA350 305 92 Hawkclone
Engine: 4++,350 & 305 CIs
Transmission: 700R4 4800 vig 18th700R4 t56 ZF6 T5
Axle/Gears: 3.70 9"ford alum chunk,dana44,9bolt
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How cool is that!?!?!?!?!
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Nice work Mark,
Please let me know when you will be listing these, I'd love to try one on my 88.
Please let me know when you will be listing these, I'd love to try one on my 88.
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Car: 1989 Camaro-1LE
Engine: TPI(s)
Transmission: 5 speed (MM5, MK6)
Axle/Gears: 3.45, 3.73
Re: If you have a Players Challenge Car, please post here. (RPO- A4U, 1LE or R7U)
It's been quite an endeavor to compare a stock PROM and the race PROM. There are sooooo many versions of a stock PROM, it was difficult to find the best one to compare. Consider ... in the 92 version, if I use the "best" one to compare, there are about 350 values that are different ranging from spark, fuel, throttle, and so on. If I use a different PROM, that can jump up to 600 values ... but what is happening here is that there are tons of differences between the two stock ones. Not what people care about. When I use the best stock one (call it the highest performance stock version), then it drops down to those highlights we care about. For example in one case, the spark advance is nearly identical except for 2 degree removed at a certain point.
The 92 have more data to sift through ... but I should have it mapped out shortly.
Mark.
The 92 have more data to sift through ... but I should have it mapped out shortly.
Mark.