Single turbo 352 iroc 1000hp or bust the grand finale
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Re: Single turbo 352 iroc 1000hp or bust the grand finale
just asked matt about having the inj and ecm on the same power relay ill see what his reply is
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Re: Single turbo 352 iroc 1000hp or bust the grand finale
His ECU is probably junk. I would have trashed it a long time ago, but then again I'm picky. (hence why he's getting a set of 8 injectors with 2 hours of run time for $20).
If anyone's looking for manual brakes, I have a garage sale on those too.
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Re: Single turbo 352 iroc 1000hp or bust the grand finale
I'm just messing with you.
His ECU is probably junk. I would have trashed it a long time ago, but then again I'm picky. (hence why he's getting a set of 8 injectors with 2 hours of run time for $20).
If anyone's looking for manual brakes, I have a garage sale on those too.
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His ECU is probably junk. I would have trashed it a long time ago, but then again I'm picky. (hence why he's getting a set of 8 injectors with 2 hours of run time for $20).
If anyone's looking for manual brakes, I have a garage sale on those too.
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depending on the cost i might be in for them
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Re: Single turbo 352 iroc 1000hp or bust the grand finale
Disclaimer, car stops like crap.
I absolutely hate the feel of the pedal, and while it doesn't require a lot of effort due to the ratio, I feel like it doesn't grab enough.
I bought a brand new power booster and master, going back to power brakes this weekend. I'm determined to drive this car before it snows.
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I absolutely hate the feel of the pedal, and while it doesn't require a lot of effort due to the ratio, I feel like it doesn't grab enough.
I bought a brand new power booster and master, going back to power brakes this weekend. I'm determined to drive this car before it snows.
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Re: Single turbo 352 iroc 1000hp or bust the grand finale
Disclaimer, car stops like crap.
I absolutely hate the feel of the pedal, and while it doesn't require a lot of effort due to the ratio, I feel like it doesn't grab enough.
I bought a brand new power booster and master, going back to power brakes this weekend. I'm determined to drive this car before it snows.
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I absolutely hate the feel of the pedal, and while it doesn't require a lot of effort due to the ratio, I feel like it doesn't grab enough.
I bought a brand new power booster and master, going back to power brakes this weekend. I'm determined to drive this car before it snows.
-- Joe
ive got the front disc's but keeping the rear drums when i swap to the dana 70
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Re: Single turbo 352 iroc 1000hp or bust the grand finale
1 1/32 bore strange
24mm
Pedal drilled for 6:1 and 4:1
BMR adapter for firewall
BMR pushrod
Another race pushrod
I'm obviously keeping my calipers. (2.75" front, PBR rear)
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Re: Single turbo 352 iroc 1000hp or bust the grand finale
What you really want is a DPDT relay. It controls two things by one input. If you pull the relay everything stops working which is what you want. If a contact breaks internally you still have a fuel vs ECM problem.
Second best is two relays. One relay powers the ECM and the COIL of the fuel relay. The ign switch controls this relay.
The output of the relay goes to the ECM to power it, AND to the fuel relay coil to turn it on. The fuel relay connects to battery and the fuel injectors.
This isolates the ECM from seeing noise caused by the injectors.
EDIT:
How much does that "70" rear end weigh with the drum brakes on it? I am guessing it robs about .3 seconds with weight and inefficiency compared to ford 9" or copy.
Second best is two relays. One relay powers the ECM and the COIL of the fuel relay. The ign switch controls this relay.
The output of the relay goes to the ECM to power it, AND to the fuel relay coil to turn it on. The fuel relay connects to battery and the fuel injectors.
This isolates the ECM from seeing noise caused by the injectors.
EDIT:
How much does that "70" rear end weigh with the drum brakes on it? I am guessing it robs about .3 seconds with weight and inefficiency compared to ford 9" or copy.
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Engine: 3.1 Turbo/ 355 twin turbo
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Re: Single turbo 352 iroc 1000hp or bust the grand finale
What you really want is a DPDT relay. It controls two things by one input. If you pull the relay everything stops working which is what you want. If a contact breaks internally you still have a fuel vs ECM problem.
Second best is two relays. One relay powers the ECM and the COIL of the fuel relay. The ign switch controls this relay.
The output of the relay goes to the ECM to power it, AND to the fuel relay coil to turn it on. The fuel relay connects to battery and the fuel injectors.
This isolates the ECM from seeing noise caused by the injectors.
EDIT:
How much does that "70" rear end weigh with the drum brakes on it? I am guessing it robs about .3 seconds with weight and inefficiency compared to ford 9" or copy.
Second best is two relays. One relay powers the ECM and the COIL of the fuel relay. The ign switch controls this relay.
The output of the relay goes to the ECM to power it, AND to the fuel relay coil to turn it on. The fuel relay connects to battery and the fuel injectors.
This isolates the ECM from seeing noise caused by the injectors.
EDIT:
How much does that "70" rear end weigh with the drum brakes on it? I am guessing it robs about .3 seconds with weight and inefficiency compared to ford 9" or copy.
the 70u rear with ford drums wont weigh much more then a normal dana 60
just be a few pounds more for the bigger gerts and beefier cast housing
though i did find a cheap bracket kit for putting disc brakes on it
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Re: Single turbo 352 iroc 1000hp or bust the grand finale
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Re: Single turbo 352 iroc 1000hp or bust the grand finale
Do you have a adjustable pushrod? I have a 24mm (15/16) master cylinder with afco 2.75 front and large gm single piston calipers in the back, cant remember the size but I had a similar problem and it ended up being a pushrod adjustment problem. It was not stroking the master cylinder far enough with the same symptoms as yours. Messed around with the adjustment and my pedal feel was night and day difference and I can lock the brakes up anytime now.
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Re: Single turbo 352 iroc 1000hp or bust the grand finale
Do you have a adjustable pushrod? I have a 24mm (15/16) master cylinder with afco 2.75 front and large gm single piston calipers in the back, cant remember the size but I had a similar problem and it ended up being a pushrod adjustment problem. It was not stroking the master cylinder far enough with the same symptoms as yours. Messed around with the adjustment and my pedal feel was night and day difference and I can lock the brakes up anytime now.
The 4:1 ratio gives me a very light pedal, but I don't know if it gives enough travel.
The 6:1 ratio gives good travel, and a firm pedal, but binds a little bit coming out, so the brake light switch sometimes stays on.
I'm tired of playing with it.
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Re: Single turbo 352 iroc 1000hp or bust the grand finale
Yeah both pushrods are adjustable.
The 4:1 ratio gives me a very light pedal, but I don't know if it gives enough travel.
The 6:1 ratio gives good travel, and a firm pedal, but binds a little bit coming out, so the brake light switch sometimes stays on.
I'm tired of playing with it.
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The 4:1 ratio gives me a very light pedal, but I don't know if it gives enough travel.
The 6:1 ratio gives good travel, and a firm pedal, but binds a little bit coming out, so the brake light switch sometimes stays on.
I'm tired of playing with it.
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The adapter plate should be angled slightly to raise the front of the master UP. This would solve the problem, but I'm not interested in shimming the adapter and playing with it anymore.
Malibudave recommended grinding the pushrod down to 5/16", but I'm not doing that either.
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Re: Single turbo 352 iroc 1000hp or bust the grand finale
That's not the problem, at 6:1 the rod binds in the bore of the master because of the angle of the firewall. This causes it to rub and not completely return.
The adapter plate should be angled slightly to raise the front of the master UP. This would solve the problem, but I'm not interested in shimming the adapter and playing with it anymore.
Malibudave recommended grinding the pushrod down to 5/16", but I'm not doing that either.
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The adapter plate should be angled slightly to raise the front of the master UP. This would solve the problem, but I'm not interested in shimming the adapter and playing with it anymore.
Malibudave recommended grinding the pushrod down to 5/16", but I'm not doing that either.
-- Joe
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Re: Single turbo 352 iroc 1000hp or bust the grand finale
damn with all the issues with manual brakes i think ill just add an electric vacum pump or a resivor to my car instead of dealing with the manual swap
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Re: Single turbo 352 iroc 1000hp or bust the grand finale
Manual brakes are not that big of a deal. I did alot of research before I bought all the parts. Malibu Dave has a very nice kit for cheap that locates the master cylinder 2" up of the stock mount so you can get the 6:1 pedal ratio without running into problems. My car stops better with the manual brakes than with the power but I did a rear disk conversion and bigger single piston calipers up front with powerstop pads and drilled and slotted rotors. I'm very glad I did the break swap. I have a 15/16 master cylinder and the stock prop valve that has been gutted.
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Re: Single turbo 352 iroc 1000hp or bust the grand finale
Manual brakes are not that big of a deal. I did alot of research before I bought all the parts. Malibu Dave has a very nice kit for cheap that locates the master cylinder 2" up of the stock mount so you can get the 6:1 pedal ratio without running into problems. My car stops better with the manual brakes than with the power but I did a rear disk conversion and bigger single piston calipers up front with powerstop pads and drilled and slotted rotors. I'm very glad I did the break swap. I have a 15/16 master cylinder and the stock prop valve that has been gutted.
i would love all the extra room under the hood though
my cam makes very little vacuum specially at my altitude so i do need to do something in the future
first things first i need to get those injectors from joe in the car and see if it solves my ecm issues first
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Re: Single turbo 352 iroc 1000hp or bust the grand finale
ill look into it some more then im just tierd of buying things then having to modify them for them to work right , and especially crawling around under the dash trying to get the pedal and all that drilled right
i would love all the extra room under the hood though
my cam makes very little vacuum specially at my altitude so i do need to do something in the future
first things first i need to get those injectors from joe in the car and see if it solves my ecm issues first
i would love all the extra room under the hood though
my cam makes very little vacuum specially at my altitude so i do need to do something in the future
first things first i need to get those injectors from joe in the car and see if it solves my ecm issues first
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Re: Single turbo 352 iroc 1000hp or bust the grand finale
My cam makes around 14hg of vac at idle. Under boost of course I have no vac, but the second I'm off throttle it should dive. In theory.
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Re: Single turbo 352 iroc 1000hp or bust the grand finale
The 2" hole drilled in the firewall bothers me. Makes it very difficult to go back to stock without having to weld a plate in.
My cam makes around 14hg of vac at idle. Under boost of course I have no vac, but the second I'm off throttle it should dive. In theory.
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My cam makes around 14hg of vac at idle. Under boost of course I have no vac, but the second I'm off throttle it should dive. In theory.
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Re: Single turbo 352 iroc 1000hp or bust the grand finale
230/236* @ .050 on a 110lsa
i really should have a solid or hyd roller to take advantage of the heads though
how did u ship ups/fedex or postal ?
hell i know what im doing on saturday then
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It went out USPS priority. Hopefully they will help pinpoint your problem.
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Re: Single turbo 352 iroc 1000hp or bust the grand finale
we will see on saturday , i already have the valve covers off and the harness pulled off the injectors , just gota take out the fuel rail holddown bolts and swap in the new injectors and see what happens
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Re: Single turbo 352 iroc 1000hp or bust the grand finale
What do you think is wrong with the injectors in it? If you are installing satured in place of P&H and you have marginal noise problem then the "reset" problem will go away. But this doesn't make the problem the P&H injectors.
Have you tried disconnecting the ECM power wire and connecting it straight to battery in order to rule out a wiring noise problem?
Have you tried disconnecting the ECM power wire and connecting it straight to battery in order to rule out a wiring noise problem?
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Re: Single turbo 352 iroc 1000hp or bust the grand finale
What do you think is wrong with the injectors in it? If you are installing satured in place of P&H and you have marginal noise problem then the "reset" problem will go away. But this doesn't make the problem the P&H injectors.
Have you tried disconnecting the ECM power wire and connecting it straight to battery in order to rule out a wiring noise problem?
Have you tried disconnecting the ECM power wire and connecting it straight to battery in order to rule out a wiring noise problem?
i just think its to much for the ecm to handle current wise , noise from low-z injectors is a known issue with the ms1/2 cpus . even though its capable of running 8 low-z injectors they only want u to run 4
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Re: Single turbo 352 iroc 1000hp or bust the grand finale
i have the day off work tommorow , due to my boss going deer hunting , so if thos einjectors get here tommorow i should have them in sometime after lunch time
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Re: Single turbo 352 iroc 1000hp or bust the grand finale
no injectors at post office today
though i share a po box with a niebor so maybe they picked up everything cause the box was empty , have to wait till they get home later to find out
though i share a po box with a niebor so maybe they picked up everything cause the box was empty , have to wait till they get home later to find out
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Why wouldn't they leave things with your name on them?
It's a priority mail flate rate box.
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Re: Single turbo 352 iroc 1000hp or bust the grand finale
also when a package comes that doesnt fit int he po box they leave a slip and u have to goto the window to pick it up so u dont know whos name is on it till they give it to ya
downside to living in a very small town with a post office that doesnt have enough po boxes for all the residents lol
anyways let me know when u can joe
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downside to living in a very small town with a post office that doesnt have enough po boxes for all the residents lol
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naw we dont have nothing like that going on around here just rednecks blowing **** up is all
volume warning
volume warning
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Injectors show up?
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so hopefully tommorow ill get them installed but its supposed to rain so we will see
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Re: Single turbo 352 iroc 1000hp or bust the grand finale
I'm still not sure what direction I'm going in with the Firebird. Part of me wants it to be a kickass track car, but in reality I don't have time to go to the track more than maybe twice per year. I didn't even make it as a spectator this year.
I picked this up yesterday morning:
I have zero plans to mod it, it runs and drives really nice as is. Is only 300hp, but has ice cold AC and is fun to drive.
So I dunno. Part of me wants to take the blower out of the Formula cuz 400-450hp n/a is plenty fine for a street car. Another part of me wants to see some fast passes at the track.
-- Joe
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Re: Single turbo 352 iroc 1000hp or bust the grand finale
As for you Dave, isn't that intake supposed to allow quick injector changing? Should take you minutes compared to my TPI system. No excuses, get it done, if Utah is anything today like here in New Jersey, it should be the perfect day out there...
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Car: '88 Formula, '94 Corvette, '95 Bird
Engine: LC9, LT1
Transmission: TKX, 4L60E
Axle/Gears: 3.42, 3.23
Re: Single turbo 352 iroc 1000hp or bust the grand finale
The only thing odd about the car is that the speedo is way off. Like at 60mph it reads 90mph. That's a new one for me. I wonder if someone swapped the PCM and didn't flash it for the 3.07 gear ratio. (most cars got 2.59)
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Re: Single turbo 352 iroc 1000hp or bust the grand finale
$EE is a flash, so it tunes through my ALDL cable. I have the definition and software to flash it. The only thing I'd do is delete all the liberal err emissions junk, so I can rip that stuff out.
The only thing odd about the car is that the speedo is way off. Like at 60mph it reads 90mph. That's a new one for me. I wonder if someone swapped the PCM and didn't flash it for the 3.07 gear ratio. (most cars got 2.59)
-- Joe
The only thing odd about the car is that the speedo is way off. Like at 60mph it reads 90mph. That's a new one for me. I wonder if someone swapped the PCM and didn't flash it for the 3.07 gear ratio. (most cars got 2.59)
-- Joe
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Car: 89 RS 89 iroc 87 firebird
Engine: 3.1 Turbo/ 355 twin turbo
Transmission: a4 w/ 4500 stall/ a4 / t5
Axle/Gears: strange s60 /w 3:42's
Re: Single turbo 352 iroc 1000hp or bust the grand finale
injectors installed but i dont have my laptop its down the shop , ill grab it tomrow while at work so i can change the injectors settings in the ecm and fire it up
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Re: Single turbo 352 iroc 1000hp or bust the grand finale
But what are you going to use to tune it? Datamaster? I thought the same thing with my '95, but the opti always got in the way, which is why I never pursued doing anything with that vette. Jack the back up, mark the universal joint, and start turning the wheels while counting the rotations of the driveshaft...
There's a website dedicated to that ECM as well:
http://fbodytech.com/eehack-2/eehack-features/
I'm not going to do any performance related mods to the car. I'm leaving it stock.
-- Joe
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Re: Single turbo 352 iroc 1000hp or bust the grand finale
Originally Posted by anesthes
Tunercat.
There's a website dedicated to that ECM as well:
http://fbodytech.com/eehack-2/eehack-features/
I'm not going to do any performance related mods to the car. I'm leaving it stock.
-- Joe
There's a website dedicated to that ECM as well:
http://fbodytech.com/eehack-2/eehack-features/
I'm not going to do any performance related mods to the car. I'm leaving it stock.
-- Joe
Originally Posted by project89
injectors installed but i dont have my laptop its down the shop , ill grab it tomrow while at work so i can change the injectors settings in the ecm and fire it up
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Re: Single turbo 352 iroc 1000hp or bust the grand finale
hey joe i think i rember reading u were looking for a 4bbl tb somewere . i have had this saved in my watchlist for a while now
http://www.ebay.com/itm/301939905366...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
http://www.ebay.com/itm/301939905366...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
I have that throttle body . Very trick piece.
Look into hp tuners gen 3 ecm and efi connections 24x reluctor. Hp tuners tunes all american obd2 v8 (some v6)cars . I love mine.