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Last night I dug into the archive a bit... For 1991, on the Firebird, GM used three different batteries. Catalog #601 in the L98, #730 Std LH0, L03, LB9, #731 Opt L03, LB9. Per the GM/Helm 1991 Firebird Service Manual.
Also poked around a bit in the 1991 Firebird owner's manual. Now aside from the fact that the pictures contained in the manual are a mix of earlier Firebirds, Camaros, etc there are at least a few photos of batteries, and some of them look to be in later Firebirds (1990 or later). Those photos show the labels with the yellow warning block to the left as shown throughout this thread.
What was interesting to me is the variety of batteries used. I've always assumed that a group 75 Delco Freedom was a group 75 Delco Freedom, but there's a little more to it...
Also poked around a bit in the 1991 Firebird owner's manual. Now aside from the fact that the pictures contained in the manual are a mix of earlier Firebirds, Camaros, etc there are at least a few photos of batteries, and some of them look to be in later Firebirds (1990 or later). Those photos show the labels with the yellow warning block to the left as shown throughout this thread.
What was interesting to me is the variety of batteries used. I've always assumed that a group 75 Delco Freedom was a group 75 Delco Freedom, but there's a little more to it...
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Yup, several different battery's for each year and model depending on options an motor and lets not forget midyear/ running changes!
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Chazmans 89 battery is 570 cca 280 load test
My 89 formula 350 battery is 630 cca 310 load test
The battery in the OPs 1st post came from a 92 GTA with a 305 tpi auto and its the same as Chazmans (I parted it out, sad)
Maybe the decals were done that way to set them apart for quick identification on the line?
I do know a guy on the TTA board posted a pic of his original battery and it had the dual decals like my 89. My formula also has the big alternator for the year. 140 amp I think ?
My 89 formula 350 battery is 630 cca 310 load test
The battery in the OPs 1st post came from a 92 GTA with a 305 tpi auto and its the same as Chazmans (I parted it out, sad)
Maybe the decals were done that way to set them apart for quick identification on the line?
I do know a guy on the TTA board posted a pic of his original battery and it had the dual decals like my 89. My formula also has the big alternator for the year. 140 amp I think ?
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Re: DONE - Reproduction Delco Freedom Battery stickers/labels?
Chazmans 89 battery is 570 cca 280 load test
My 89 formula 350 battery is 630 cca 310 load test
The battery in the OPs 1st post came from a 92 GTA with a 305 auto (I parted it out, sad)
Maybe the decals were done that way to set them apart for quick identification on the line?
I do know a guy on the TTA board posted a pic of his original battery and it had the dual decals like my 89. My formula also has the big alternator for the year. 140 amp I think ?
My 89 formula 350 battery is 630 cca 310 load test
The battery in the OPs 1st post came from a 92 GTA with a 305 auto (I parted it out, sad)
Maybe the decals were done that way to set them apart for quick identification on the line?
I do know a guy on the TTA board posted a pic of his original battery and it had the dual decals like my 89. My formula also has the big alternator for the year. 140 amp I think ?
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Re: DONE - Reproduction Delco Freedom Battery stickers/labels?
What motor and alternator did it have?
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Well.. Sorta... From 87-up they're all based on the CS design. Notably the 87 (V-belts) uses a different mounting tab position than 88-92. Then TBI cars used a 100amp alternator, vs the 105amp in the LB9/L98.
Now where it gets really interesting () is that 88-89 the 105A has the same part number, then 1990 is completely on it's own, and 91-92 have a third part number. Knowing that the serpentine brackets didn't change from 88-92 (aside from supporting brackets and belt routing) a person has to wonder why there are three part numbers.
BTW there are different physical sizes of CS alternator. The dimension of the stator dictates the model. The standard thirdgen V8 uses the CS130. The bigger CS144 was used on some Caprice or Cadillacs with the same bracketry setup by using a bolt on adapter. Some other applications used a smaller version, CS121, IIRC. Makes it fun when you're bolting on a junkyard part and one bolt won't line up by about half a hole.
Now where it gets really interesting () is that 88-89 the 105A has the same part number, then 1990 is completely on it's own, and 91-92 have a third part number. Knowing that the serpentine brackets didn't change from 88-92 (aside from supporting brackets and belt routing) a person has to wonder why there are three part numbers.
BTW there are different physical sizes of CS alternator. The dimension of the stator dictates the model. The standard thirdgen V8 uses the CS130. The bigger CS144 was used on some Caprice or Cadillacs with the same bracketry setup by using a bolt on adapter. Some other applications used a smaller version, CS121, IIRC. Makes it fun when you're bolting on a junkyard part and one bolt won't line up by about half a hole.
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Check your RPO code it will list what alternator you car has.My RPO code is K90-108 Amp.
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K68 105 amp.
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I've been creating this decal (and a few more) in Photoshop.
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I need to get that F8 stamp (made?) to redo my alt code letters.
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Are they all (105A CS130's) marked F8? I was thinking there was another code used. I just restored this pair a couple weeks ago, new bearings mostly, lots of clean up, they both could use the stamp.
We need a thread for recreating all the paper number tags on the vacuum lines, hoses, etc next.
We need a thread for recreating all the paper number tags on the vacuum lines, hoses, etc next.
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Drew..after seeing your pics of the alternators, (nice job by the way) and the suggestion about a thread about tags, I had remembered from back when this was started by okfoz (John). Neat info in that as well.
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/hist...-location.html
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/hist...-location.html
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Another thing I noticed, is the nuts and washers were painted black after they were installed on the pulley.
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The Original Decals thread shows some of the markings, but not all. I'm sure I'm not the only one that has removed the remains of a damaged tag because no tag looks better than a trashed one. Most of the tags on the AIR injection hoses, vacuum lines, etc should be easy enough to reproduce assuming a matching font can be found. Trouble is finding good examples of each tag to copy, and making sure the details match the correct year. Our cars haven't ever really garnered the attention needed to document this kind of thing, but it seems like a few more people are interested now than a few years ago.
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Just one of those crazy details.. I just looked at some pictures of 013 Hawk and the alt code on it is either UT or JT. Shaft, nut and washer are black.
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Nut and shaft on my 92 alternator is NOT painted. It has the stamp so I assume original.
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My 91 has code JT, painted nut and shaft:
My 87 has code UB. Not sure about the paint on the nut and shaft, it's on my lift, I will check later today:
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I knew they stopped painting them at some point, looks like after 91 ish.
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Its a odd thing for sure. I had a bunch of 88-92 low low mile formulas saved but computer crashed.
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I'm pretty happy with my recreation of a 1992 #731 Delco Freedom Battery decal:
This is laser printed on chemical, abrasion, waterproof, UV and tear resistant vinyl decal material.
This is laser printed on chemical, abrasion, waterproof, UV and tear resistant vinyl decal material.
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Aside from the $25 reproductions on ebay, has anyone seen any sources for Delco battery decals lately?
Also wondering if anyone has come up with any kind of definitive guide to which labels were used on which cars. For all the low mileage cars out there, it's surprising how difficult it is to find clear pictures of this kind of thing.
Also wondering if anyone has come up with any kind of definitive guide to which labels were used on which cars. For all the low mileage cars out there, it's surprising how difficult it is to find clear pictures of this kind of thing.
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I'm not entirely sure if my 1991 Formula should have a 601 battery with a single decal or the two decal version. The Delco Freedoms I remember had the single label, but then they didn't come in this car. I Photoshopped together kind of a mismatch of the single decal label and the proper specs for the 601. I just need to decide for myself if I want to go with a label that might not be entirely accurate, or one I know is a clever fake. I figure it IS a reproduction, and it IS enough different due to details I can't control, that I can go a little off the tracks on the decal without worrying too much. But I do appreciate the offer, and might get back to you on it at some point.
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I Just ordered this decal from the Ebay vendor mentioned above for $20 plus $3 shipping. I'll see how it looks on my current battery otherwise I'll pick up a walmart flat top and put my old one to use somewhere else. The wife thinks we're all nuts!
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HI, I have two 88 and one 89 any chance you could tell me where to buy the materials and send them to you for printing>>>
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Very happy I've figured out how to do myself and get it exactly the way I'd want it.
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The only info I'd need from you would be photos of what you want replicated.
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Damn it, Andy! I just bought two new Delco batteries from my Chevy dealer recently. If only I waited!
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I want to thank skylark for sending me the Green Eye
I put those decals on a NAPA Legend 75,nice smooth top also.
Although my decals aren't correct for the 86 year,they'll have to do for now until someone produces the correct ones.Up until now,no ones noticed them yet at the car shows
I put those decals on a NAPA Legend 75,nice smooth top also.
Although my decals aren't correct for the 86 year,they'll have to do for now until someone produces the correct ones.Up until now,no ones noticed them yet at the car shows
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Even looks like it has a white case?
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I've been doing that stuff for years with my cars. Wife doesn't hardly bat an eye anymore. Last year when I scored my gray valve stem caps I showed her with all my excitement & all I got was an "Oh brother" & a weird look. Yea, she's used to it but doesn't get it.....
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I think I got the decals finalized on the battery. Added a hydrometer eye and the outside plugs. All that I have to do now is paint the sides of the case white.
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That looks really good. Can you tone the eye down justa tad...little deeper green maybe? JMO