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Re: Single turbo 352 iroc 1000hp or bust the grand finale
Originally Posted by project89
picking up a relay board and cable form joe on tuesday , should clean up the engine wiring alot , will be my first time using one of the relay boards for an ms
it was 65* out yesterday so i decided not to take the car into the shop for the winter just yet not sure ill get to do much with it this week hopefulyl the weather will stay inthe 60's for 2 weeks though as id like to get the car out for one nice long drive before i take it in for winter
The relay board will make things a little simpler. I ran one when I had an MS2 setup. Now I am running a Holley Hp efi setup.
Re: Single turbo 352 iroc 1000hp or bust the grand finale
Originally Posted by anesthes
Eh. Even on a dedicated track car, I'd want real heat.
Some of the best racing up here is sept-october, where it can be often below freezing.
-- Joe
in this area its either nice and warm out , or cold and nasty enough out u wouldnt take the car out anyways so not having a heater at all doesnt hurt anything
i did manage to get the rear housing completely stripped down , before i do anything else im going to see if i can figure out how to fab a tq arm mount onto the housing , i have a prtty good idea of how im going to do it , but i think ill need the housing under the car first to be able to acuratly check for clearance. and im oging to look to make room inboard for a set of coilovers
Re: Single turbo 352 iroc 1000hp or bust the grand finale
Originally Posted by project89
i think im going to get rid of my ac delete heater box while im at it and put the car on a diet over the winter
Way too much time on your hands lol. The heater box is lucky to be twenty five pounds with the blower motor included, and that would be a 0.025 decrease in ET not including the electric heater your throwing into the interior; 100-lbs reduction in weight = 0.10 drop in ET, 25-lbs is 25% of 100-lbs = 0.025 drop in ET, that is not worth losing your heating system over, and lets not forget that a fogged windshield in the Winter with no defroster is not a good idea. Do what you want though, it just doesn't seem to be worth the trouble...
Re: Single turbo 352 iroc 1000hp or bust the grand finale
Originally Posted by Street Lethal
Way too much time on your hands lol. The heater box is lucky to be twenty five pounds with the blower motor included, and that would be a 0.025 decrease in ET not including the electric heater your throwing into the interior; 100-lbs reduction in weight = 0.10 drop in ET, 25-lbs is 25% of 100-lbs = 0.025 drop in ET, that is not worth losing your heating system over, and lets not forget that a fogged windshield in the Winter with no defroster is not a good idea. Do what you want though, it just doesn't seem to be worth the trouble...
the heater box dont wiegh jack **** , i just want the room , and charge pipes will eventaully make there way threw the firewall for w2a intercooler, i have room to stick it upfront put i scaled the car and need to get a bunch of wieght pushed back. my car is exsesivly nose heavy atm , im going as far as cutting out the steel radiator mount i made and replacing it with aluminum
Re: Single turbo 352 iroc 1000hp or bust the grand finale
Originally Posted by project89
the heater box dont wiegh jack **** , i just want the room , and charge pipes will eventaully make there way threw the firewall for w2a intercooler, i have room to stick it upfront put i scaled the car and need to get a bunch of wieght pushed back. my car is exsesivly nose heavy atm , im going as far as cutting out the steel radiator mount i made and replacing it with aluminum
... like I said, your car, do what you want to. This 3500 pound Camaro w/RMT should be good for sevens in the quarter mile, and he has less room to work in the engine bay than most of us do, even has AC. Not sure what his weighs up front, but it can't be that much lighter than yours, if lighter at all.
Re: Single turbo 352 iroc 1000hp or bust the grand finale
Originally Posted by Street Lethal
... like I said, your car, do what you want to. This 3500 pound Camaro w/RMT should be good for sevens in the quarter mile, and he has less room to work in the engine bay than most of us do, even has AC. Not sure what his weighs up front, but it can't be that much lighter than yours, if lighter at all.
Anyways, Happy Thanksgiving everyone...
i dont only drive in a straight line weight balance is important , not that getting the wieghts right wont help me in a straight line either lol
Re: Single turbo 352 iroc 1000hp or bust the grand finale
Originally Posted by project89
i dont only drive in a straight line weight balance is important , not that getting the wieghts right wont help me in a straight line either lol
You should buy a Corvette.
Corvettes are fantastic for street, scca, etc. The only thing they fall down on are drag racing. But it seems like you don't have a track anymore right?
Re: Single turbo 352 iroc 1000hp or bust the grand finale
Originally Posted by anesthes
You should buy a Corvette.
Corvettes are fantastic for street, scca, etc. The only thing they fall down on are drag racing. But it seems like you don't have a track anymore right?
-- Joe
ill still be racing , just have to make a 600 mile round trip, word is that our local airport will be doing drag racing there as well
Re: Single turbo 352 iroc 1000hp or bust the grand finale
does anyone have an old crap stock tq arm , i need the just the end that bolts to the rear , like the rear end side + 8 inches forward . none of the local junkyards have any f-bodys
i need that end to start mocking up a diy tq arm mount on a dana 60 or 70 rear
Re: Single turbo 352 iroc 1000hp or bust the grand finale
got a tq arm section on the way , now i just need to oder some brackets for 3 inch axle tunes and housing ends ,
still not sure if im going with the dana 60 or dana 70 rear, ill figure that out once i start to mock up the tq arm
Re: Single turbo 352 iroc 1000hp or bust the grand finale
Originally Posted by project89
got a tq arm section on the way , now i just need to oder some brackets for 3 inch axle tunes and housing ends ,
still not sure if im going with the dana 60 or dana 70 rear, ill figure that out once i start to mock up the tq arm
Neither?
The 60 is a great option if you run aftermarket caps, machine the housing and caps, and run bearing retainers.
Re: Single turbo 352 iroc 1000hp or bust the grand finale
Originally Posted by anesthes
Neither?
The 60 is a great option if you run aftermarket caps, machine the housing and caps, and run bearing retainers.
What rear end is in the car now?
-- Joe
7.75, im actually thinking about buying one of the modular ford 9 inch housings, aluminum center housing , bolt on steel axle tubes , the center section even has mounting plates on it so u can mount a tq arm or upper control arms to it , gota price up a 3rd member before i go that route though
Re: Single turbo 352 iroc 1000hp or bust the grand finale
Originally Posted by project89
7.75, im actually thinking about buying one of the modular ford 9 inch housings, aluminum center housing , bolt on steel axle tubes , the center section even has mounting plates on it so u can mount a tq arm or upper control arms to it , gota price up a 3rd member before i go that route though
How much tire are you running? 10+ inch slicks?
If I had a turbo car with street tires and an automatic with a high stall converter, I wouldn't be that worried about breaking the rear end you have.
Re: Single turbo 352 iroc 1000hp or bust the grand finale
Originally Posted by anesthes
How much tire are you running? 10+ inch slicks?
If I had a turbo car with street tires and an automatic with a high stall converter, I wouldn't be that worried about breaking the rear end you have.
-- Joe
275 dr for the street and 28x10.5 slick, its been snowing for 2 days stright here now and supposed to snow for a 3rd , tommorow is going to be -2* out i hate winter
Re: Single turbo 352 iroc 1000hp or bust the grand finale
Originally Posted by project89
275 dr for the street and 28x10.5 slick, its been snowing for 2 days stright here now and supposed to snow for a 3rd , tommorow is going to be -2* out i hate winter
I'm getting the sleds ready for winter. I gotta stud a track on my polaris. I think winter will be here in new england soon.
Re: Single turbo 352 iroc 1000hp or bust the grand finale
Originally Posted by anesthes
I'm getting the sleds ready for winter. I gotta stud a track on my polaris. I think winter will be here in new england soon.
-- Joe
ive got my bosses doge truck in the shop atm doing front and rear diff rebuilds, as soon as thats out of there tonight or tommorow afternoon im going to drag the sleds into the shop and get them ready to go
btw cable and relay board showed up today much appreciated thank you
Re: Single turbo 352 iroc 1000hp or bust the grand finale
Dana 60 is just extra weight and doesnt offer the ring gear choices in the 3.0-3.42 range where most turbo cars with 28" tires will be.
An 8.8 ford or 9" is the best bang for buck. The fab9 with gundrilled axles and aluminum center is as light as a 10 bolt
Re: Single turbo 352 iroc 1000hp or bust the grand finale
Originally Posted by Orr89RocZ
Dana 60 is just extra weight and doesnt offer the ring gear choices in the 3.0-3.42 range where most turbo cars with 28" tires will be.
An 8.8 ford or 9" is the best bang for buck. The fab9 with gundrilled axles and aluminum center is as light as a 10 bolt
When you guys are doing these turbo builds, are you gearing it for spool rather than max HP at finish line?
Normally, on a supercharged car I'll figure out what the max HP is of the combo, then try to work out the gear ratio so my finish line MPH is at or just above max HP RPM. So like on my 412, max HP is 5800, 3.42:1 rear end and 25" tires put's me at 125mph, which is about what the combo should do at 600hp.
A 28" tire would put me at 140-141mph through the traps, which would take 1,000 hp. Which isn't practical on an OEM block.
Re: Single turbo 352 iroc 1000hp or bust the grand finale
I do it the same way as a starting point. Max mph expected should be at no higher rpm than redline. Then you can tune gear ratio to help starting line ratio. If car is having issues hooking then dropping gear ratio can help take out some of the torque multiplication.
In fact alot of big power cars use glides or 2 speed th400's with 1.58-1.82 first gear ratios to kill off the torque multiplication
My buddy runs a 1.82 first gear th400 with 3.08 rears on a 28" tire and it has no problem doin low 1.2 60's on back tire lol we finally tuned suspension enough to keep front end down and it goes 183 mph on a 28" under 7600 rpm
Re: Single turbo 352 iroc 1000hp or bust the grand finale
Originally Posted by Orr89RocZ
Dana 60 is just extra weight and doesnt offer the ring gear choices in the 3.0-3.42 range where most turbo cars with 28" tires will be.
An 8.8 ford or 9" is the best bang for buck. The fab9 with gundrilled axles and aluminum center is as light as a 10 bolt
i agree but i dont have an 8.8 or 9 inch to use , i do however have a dana 60 and a dana 70 i can use . i would like to put a 8.8 or 9 bolt in but its a money issue.
i can build the 60 or 70 and get it in the car cheaper then buying an 8.8 or 9 inch
the 70 has 3.54 gears , not sure whats in the 60 right now , i can also swap the 70 stuff into the 60 housing , which gives me 35 spline axles in the lighter housing ,
Re: Single turbo 352 iroc 1000hp or bust the grand finale
Originally Posted by project89
i agree but i dont have an 8.8 or 9 inch to use , i do however have a dana 60 and a dana 70 i can use . i would like to put a 8.8 or 9 bolt in but its a money issue.
i can build the 60 or 70 and get it in the car cheaper then buying an 8.8 or 9 inch
the 70 has 3.54 gears , not sure whats in the 60 right now , i can also swap the 70 stuff into the 60 housing , which gives me 35 spline axles in the lighter housing ,
Re: Single turbo 352 iroc 1000hp or bust the grand finale
Originally Posted by project89
u do not need aftermarket axles for tech , what is required is c clip elimns with a spool and or slicks
Sure you do:
"2:11 REAR END
Welded spider gear rear ends prohibited in all classes. Four-wheel
drive permitted per class requirements. Aftermarket axles and axle retention
device mandatory on Top Fuel, Funny Car, Pro Stock, Top
Alcohol Dragster, Top Alcohol Funny Car, Comp, Super Comp,
Super Gas, Super Street, and 10.99 or quicker E.T. cars; also
mandatory on any car (regardless of class or E.T.) with a spool."
So if you are going 10.99 or faster, you need aftermarket axles AND retention devices.
Now, if this is a street car and you go to the track once and a while, and the tech is kind of a wink and a nod because billy bob is your drinking buddy and he's running tech today, well perhaps you will be fine. I think Justin races at a track like that
But if you are racing at a sanctioned track, and the tech inspection is an actual tech inspection, I'd expect them to ask for proof that you have aftermarket axles.
I know a lot of the Canadian guys are all butt hurt cuz the local track is switching to NHRA next year and they actually have to make their cars pass tech. Saw a thread on it the other day. No more 9 second junkyard builds.
Re: Single turbo 352 iroc 1000hp or bust the grand finale
Originally Posted by Orr89RocZ
really? How can they tell? Never had a tech guy rip into a rear end to check
We've had this discussion more than once. You're car isn't even close to being track legal for the ET's you've gone/stated. I'm not sure what relationship you have with the track, but it's not typical.
21.3 is the quick chart, you are in the second column.
Re: Single turbo 352 iroc 1000hp or bust the grand finale
Originally Posted by anesthes
We've had this discussion more than once. You're car isn't even close to being track legal for the ET's you've gone/stated. I'm not sure what relationship you have with the track, but it's not typical.
21.3 is the quick chart, you are in the second column.
Edit: I'll make this easier for you.
-- Joe
Its not my relationship...been to a few tracks and they dont all inspect every nut and bolt for book specs. It takes too long when hundred plus cars show up in raceday
Not saying its right but thats how it goes. Im sure you've seen it done this way as well if you been to alot of tracks
Re: Single turbo 352 iroc 1000hp or bust the grand finale
Originally Posted by Orr89RocZ
My track is ihra believe but i dont know if its any different on the ruling.
We used to be IHRA until about 10-12 years ago. IHRA was a little less strict, but googling their website and quickly looking it appears to be the same - aftermarket axles, window net, cage, chassis + cage certification, competition license, etc.
I suspect you are going for a random test and tune once and a while and maybe nobody is giving you a hard time? Maybe when someone dies at your track and they get sued things will change. I have no idea.
I'm also not implying in any way shape or form I'm willing to do any of these things to my car, but I'm also not claiming that I will ever go faster than 125mph or 11.49 I'm not even willing to put a roll bar in my car.
Re: Single turbo 352 iroc 1000hp or bust the grand finale
Originally Posted by Orr89RocZ
Im sure you've seen it done this way as well if you been to alot of tracks
No. 1 track. New England Dragway.
There is some other track the Massachusetts people go to, but it's like 3 hours away. My track is 15-20 minutes away.
It sounds like you are racing on street/test tune days, and perhaps not stating your ET on the tech card? A 9.99 or faster car wouldn't be allowed to run on such a day without being tech/certified for the whole season. Sure, I could show up and say I'm gonna run a 10.99 or slower and they will check it, but your stated E/T is too fast for a spot inspection. Plus you need your chassis cert/serial number, and competition license. I know you don't have the chassis cert cuz it wouldn't pass to get it, and you don't have your competition license cuz your car isn't certified so you can't run your trials.
Re: Single turbo 352 iroc 1000hp or bust the grand finale
Ofcourse its test and tune and track rentals. I dont own a race car therefore dont race events lol cost to much to race and i dont have the time
I am popular in my area. They know what the car runs. They just have been loose last year. This yr they got tighter
Mir did tell me to leave or stay under 9.99 once when i ran 9.8's but they did not bring out the book and start looking for licenses, sfi stickers, and etc like you think they do
Same thing with cecil county saturday...and they have a rep for being strict
Re: Single turbo 352 iroc 1000hp or bust the grand finale
Originally Posted by Orr89RocZ
Ofcourse its test and tune and track rentals. I dont own a race car therefore dont race events lol cost to much to race and i dont have the time
I am popular in my area. They know what the car runs. They just have been loose last year. This yr they got tighter
Mir did tell me to leave or stay under 9.99 once when i ran 9.8's but they did not bring out the book and start looking for licenses, sfi stickers, and etc like you think they do
Same thing with cecil county saturday...and they have a rep for being strict
Interesting. MIR's website says even on track rentals all vehicles must pass tech, and Cecil says basically the same thing.
I guess that's good for you guys. Like I said though, if they end up with an incident they are going to get sued or lose their sanctioning (or both). It's quite surprising to me they would chance it, especially at the speeds you are running.
Re: Single turbo 352 iroc 1000hp or bust the grand finale
Interesting. MIR's website says even on track rentals all vehicles must pass tech, and Cecil says basically the same thing.
Just saying... Its not always done how they say it is done. Its like all the theory in the world means nothing with out real life experience. Go see the experience lol
Most of the time if you have all the main major components you will be fine
Re: Single turbo 352 iroc 1000hp or bust the grand finale
Originally Posted by Orr89RocZ
Keep in mind having all the book requirements does not mean accidents wont happen or even guarantees you will survive it
I realize that, but it's about minimizing risk. What if some idiot built a twin turbo 1500 motor and stuck it in a car with a stock 10 bolt, and it came about at 150mph ?
Some of the requirements I think are silly, like the full cage or shutoff switch simply because you moved the battery to the trunk. But since any idiot with a credit card can make something go fast, they should be enforcing some of the more reasonable safety measures.
I still don't quite get why you are spending boat loads of money to build a 2k horsepower car if you are not racing competively. Unless you just dig being able to say you did it.
Re: Single turbo 352 iroc 1000hp or bust the grand finale
Originally Posted by Orr89RocZ
Why do you build any thing?
I like fabricating, trying different things, etc. I've owned boats, cars, bikes, sleds, horses, aircraft, a room full of firearms, etc. I'm so bored I can't even describe it.
Originally Posted by Orr89RocZ
Why does your car have a blower?
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That's actually a question I've been asking myself lately. Why do I need a 600hp street car? My C4 is stock and is plenty fast. Maybe I should sell the blower, the car should still be like 400hp naturally aspirated.
I think I get caught up in trying to relive my youth when I was into racing, but realistically I have no interest. I should probably move on to more traditional hot rods, 30s fords, stuff like that.
Re: Single turbo 352 iroc 1000hp or bust the grand finale
I like fabricating, trying different things, etc. I've owned boats, cars, bikes, sleds, horses, aircraft, a room full of firearms, etc. I'm so bored I can't even describe it.
Thats why i do what i do. Lol and the thrill of brute speed
Re: Single turbo 352 iroc 1000hp or bust the grand finale
Originally Posted by anesthes
Sure you do:
"2:11 REAR END
Welded spider gear rear ends prohibited in all classes. Four-wheel
drive permitted per class requirements. Aftermarket axles and axle retention
device mandatory on Top Fuel, Funny Car, Pro Stock, Top
Alcohol Dragster, Top Alcohol Funny Car, Comp, Super Comp,
Super Gas, Super Street, and 10.99 or quicker E.T. cars; also
mandatory on any car (regardless of class or E.T.) with a spool."
So if you are going 10.99 or faster, you need aftermarket axles AND retention devices.
Now, if this is a street car and you go to the track once and a while, and the tech is kind of a wink and a nod because billy bob is your drinking buddy and he's running tech today, well perhaps you will be fine. I think Justin races at a track like that
But if you are racing at a sanctioned track, and the tech inspection is an actual tech inspection, I'd expect them to ask for proof that you have aftermarket axles.
I know a lot of the Canadian guys are all butt hurt cuz the local track is switching to NHRA next year and they actually have to make their cars pass tech. Saw a thread on it the other day. No more 9 second junkyard builds.
-- Joe
Tracks down here dont get that deep into the cars even at events. Mostly check things like cage cert, driver safety gear, battery shutoff switch, neutral safety....... the major stuff along with a quick visual walkaround. They dont spend an hour looking over a car checking sfi decals. If a car looks junky, maybe..... otherwise, no. But, I have no experience with nhra sportsman type events or other high level professional series racing.
Re: Single turbo 352 iroc 1000hp or bust the grand finale
Originally Posted by anesthes
I still don't quite get why you are spending boat loads of money to build a 2k horsepower car if you are not racing competively. Unless you just dig being able to say you did it.
-- Joe
Why do any of us do it? Every winter I sink 5k+ into my car and I have not raced nor dyno'd it once. Its a hobby. Without Modifying my car I would be bored out of my mind. Pretty well why I got rid of the Vette. I like the fabrication. Having a little one at home and a wife on midnights leaves me with many boring nights.
Re: Single turbo 352 iroc 1000hp or bust the grand finale
holy crap winter is here 7* already ,before i know it i will be -20*, anyways ive got a few more projects to finish up in the shop , and im taking the car over .
think im going to concentrate on the rear end and cage first , then ill build the new downpipes and rewire the motor before i strip the car for a repaint. im not going to say much about it now but the new paint colors are going to be wild
unfortunatly i dont think the car is destined to hit the track in the near future , i now have a turbo street bike which at this time is more appealing to me to go racing with
Re: Single turbo 352 iroc 1000hp or bust the grand finale
Originally Posted by Jay_rich
Why do any of us do it? Every winter I sink 5k+ into my car and I have not raced nor dyno'd it once. Its a hobby. Without Modifying my car I would be bored out of my mind. Pretty well why I got rid of the Vette. I like the fabrication. Having a little one at home and a wife on midnights leaves me with many boring nights.
Re: Single turbo 352 iroc 1000hp or bust the grand finale
im feeling you on the snow man, we got 10 inches this weekend, in for another 6 this weekend. Luckily i started early on the car, its back on the ground and im going to start wiring the MS3 this or next week.
11-21-2016, 01:13 PM
I'm not even willing to put a roll bar in my car. 
