... if you wanna go slower, sure, why not lol.

 

***** of steel to say that jk jk car is looking great, but i WANNA SEE IT RUN ALREADY for building it and proving that there is nothing wrong with a 305i can't stand the ignorance about sbcs i deal with daily, some guy today thought the "5.7 305 in my truck is a big block right?" i just walked away

 

305 are slow. Always will be. They can never be made fast. Ever. The more ypu mod the
the slower they get...

 

Lots of strong talk lol time to put up or you know the rest. Lol

 

@ orr lol you know how we are.

My 305 turbo should be dialed in by next month end and hopefully if rob keeps up this pace he should be done at the same time. Im itching to get on my 305 NA project.

 

Haha, time for me to put up or shut up ehh lol? Tis gonna be pretty embarrassing when a little ole 305 makes just as much, if not more power than most, if not all of the builds on this website when I'm done, and run the numbers. The pressure certainly isn't on "me" lol...

 

Lol been waiting for few years. Cant wait to see the results, it should be strong

 

I won't disappoint, EBL-P4 is on its' way, then the tuning finally begins. Dyno runs will more than likely be held over by Krazy House Customs in South Brunswick New Jersey, but will confirm it though with this thread when the appointment is actually made. Since I am going to dyno it naturally aspirated I need to put the 1-Bar back on it...

Hmm, that Camaro looks familiar in the beginning...

 

Actually, you can leave the 2-bar on there. Just set the 2-bar MAP flag in the calibration. ECM doesn't care if it sees boost or not. I drove my Camaro with a 2-bar MAP installed while N/A, just to check that things worked OK.

P4 going out Monday, will have it Tuesday...

RBob.

 

2-Bar MAP is back in. I forgot that these earlier plenum's used with Mass Air Flow have no mounting threads drilled and tapped for the MAP sensor bracket, I might have to improvise and make something for it because I can't have the MAP sensor dangling all over the place as I drive. Everything is ready to go, once the EBL-P4 gets here I will literally have it in and back under the dashboard in about three seconds after I put the stock memcal in. I already made a cover for it by the way, very simple to do...

 

For a MAP sensor bracket, look in the JY for '88 - '92 TBI cars, and the '90 - '92 MPFI cars (f-body's). The MAP sensor is mounted high on the passenger side firewall. Can get the bracket and screws, and if the vacuum line is OK, that too.

RBob.

 

Bob, when the EBL-P4 arrives, what is the best way to get started in your opinion? Are there base calibrations somewhat close to the modifications that I made throughout this thread? Using the closest calibration, then set the spark reference to 14* BTDC, and then just do about five to six VE learns...?

 

Picked one up from the local JY this morning...

 

There is a dozen base calibrations included with the EBL P4, one of which is for a LB9 w/auto:

EBL_P4_3004.BIN: 5.0l TPI, auto

Make some minor changes for the injector flow rate and base timing, flash it in and see how it runs. I'm not sure I'd go with a 14* BTDC for a base setting. At the most 10* BTDC, maybe 8* BTDC would work out.

VE Learns are the first thing to do once up & running. I like to first do them via the BLM mode in closed loop. This allows the ECM to adjust the fuel trims real time. Then once they are close switch to WB mode in open loop.

RBob.

 

I'll set base timing back to 8* right now after I write this, then when the EBL gets here I will flash in the same setting for the spark reference. If need be, I have a set of stock LB9 injectors that ohm good, I'll throw them in tonight if that base calibration is used with them, just to expedite the VE learn. I'll throw the 60 pounders back in when the turbo goes back on after the dyno and track session...

 

You sure you don't to start off with the 60lbs ones now, might make tuning easier when the turbo comes online? Plus you would get to fill out the VE in spots which you might not hit with the turbo installed.

 

Oh I definitely agree w/you Tony, but I was going to use the 19-lb injectors just to initially get it going just to throw up a video for you guys the same day. It'd be easier to dial in the tune this way, especially if that LB9 base calibration was flashed with stock injectors. Gotta get a decent video up for you guys, but I'll know for sure which injectors to initially use once the EBL-P4 gets here. Today should be the day that it arrives...

 

Hey This is looking good street i i got an 87 T/A with a 305 that is almost all stock and i want to get a turbo for it I just don't have any knowledge with that haha and there isnt really anybody around my area to really help me out

 

Thanks! The best advice I can give you is conquer the tuning. Once you have an understanding of how to tune naturally aspirated engines, and then move onto tuning and understanding boosted applications, then adding boost thereafter is an absolute cakewalk. I would never recommend doing the turbo first, then doing the tune, because tuning may take awhile to sink in, and you don't want to jeopardize the engine while your learning. I'll have the EBL-P4 in shortly, and will show how to get things started, and where to go from there. Bob Rauscher (RBob) who designed the EBL-P4 will hopefully ride along with this project, and point out the areas in which he feels needs to be focused on, eg; acceleration enrichment, etc. Once you grasp that, it is all downhill from there...

 

How would i go about learning about tuneing? Like as in computer tuning?

 

http://dynamicefi.com/Tune_Intro.php

http://dynamicefi.com/Tune_Intro2.php

Follow along this thread as I tune mine, I will simplify it for you...

 

Alright thanks

 

RBob, you are, without a doubt, da man!!!! $530.00 shipped to my door, unlimited tuning, not one wire pin needing to be changed, plug it right in and go! XFI & Holley HP would have cost me close to $2000.00 after everything, and what a waste it would have been...

EBL-P4 FTW, so without further adieu let the tuning now begin...

 

You sir, just started a Horsepower race. Maybe i can join now that i have a turbo that will support some big HP numbers.

Cant wait to hear how the ELB-p4 works for you. That may be my next mod also.

 

@ TurboedTPI after tonights talk w rob, and about 1 sentence he just convinced me to go ebl.

 

Good to hear. Im about sick of chip burning. haha. Actually, my current tune is prolly not very good, just because im so sick of burning chips.

 

I was going to push the 165 maf doing realtime, but considering cost to benifit, this was a loosing battle for the 165. I may still toy with the 165. Time will tell. My little budget rocket is getting out of control (thanks to mr rob). Lol.

 

I need to learn more about this EBL. I have an 89 maf car that needs tuning. Is this a direct ECU swap out?

 

Krazy house customs!?! I work for a pool company and maintain his pool weekly. Haha small world. Dude had an srt8 wrangler with THE WORKS! the thing was amazing, along with some other beauts, like a gmc typhoon, some sweet Benz, ect. That company does some amazing work. On a side note the guy has heat and a/c for his dogs in their dog houses. Hahaha those dogs have it better then I do!

 

On a MAF car need to add in a MAP sensor. Using the EBL Flash ECM only need to move a handful of terminals/wires and plug in the ECM (be sure to order it with the Port Mod). The MAF wires are used to wire in the MAP sensor.

To use the EBL P4 ECM on a MAF car need to add a third connector and move nearly all of the terminals/pins.

On the '90 - '92 TPI cars the EBL P4 Flash ECM is plug & play. Unplug the current ECM and plug in the EBL P4 ECM.

RBob.

 

I am already shooting plenty of videos behind the scenes as some can imagine, I just need to edit them, and I will throw them up for everyone to see. Bob, you are charging WAY too little for these systems! Oh my goodness it is freaking awesome, and I only just started with it...!!!!

 

Haha, I like going there because it's not the usual hole in the wall dyno garage. It's in a very busy area, I can grab a drink if I am thirsty, and they play music in the background... its the ultimate car dyno nightclub experience, damn place belongs in Seaside Heights lol.

 

EBL Install...

The following instructions were taken and are entirely based on DynamicEFI.com's website which can be found at the following link provided below. However, I will be providing a visual of the install from my own perspective, to help you get an idea of how easy it really is...;

http://www.dynamicefi.com/EBL_P4_Install.php

First, remove the lower dash cover on the passenger side of the vehicle and place it out of harm's way. Then unlock (press), and pull down the ECM from it's plastic holder. Lie the ECM down on the floor, and examine the three connectors that connect into it. You will be targeting the one in the middle, the smaller one. In the pic below you will see the now removed lower dash cover on the far left side, the stock ECM which is still connected in the center, and the communication cable provided with your EBL-P4 purchase to the right. The communication cable is to be placed into the middle connector...

 

Next, disconnect all three of the harness connectors from the stock ECM...

 

Next, place the original ECM somewhere out of of harm's way, and remove the upper and lower light blue terminal/harness locks. Each connector has two, an upper and lower one. A very small flathead screwdriver helps to remove them, they're delicate though, so be gentle. Note the EBL-P4 communication cable now being on the left side...

 

Next, face the connector towards you so that you can see the rear of the connector, the side where the wires enter "into it" from behind. In the picture below, it is the connector on the right side with the upper and lower blue terminal locks already being removed from the previous instructions and picture. There are three wires from the EBL-P4 communication cable (Red, Green and Black) that are going to now join the original harness, and these three wires will be able to read the data-stream, and tell the What's Up Display in the EBL-P4 system what is going on...

 

Now, the center factory connector, the one in which you are targeting, will embellish two rows of wire pins. The upper are "Group A", and the lower are "Group B", and starting from right to left, the pins are numbered "one" (far right) through "twelve" (far left). We will start with the Red wire from the EBL-P4 communication cable. This Red wire will go to pin "A1", which is found, if you were following along, on the upper far right of the connector. Just slide it right on in, it positions and locks all on its' own...

 

Next is the Green wire from the EBL-P4 communication cable. This wire is instructed to go to the "A10" pin, which is found on the upper side, third from the far left, right between "A11" and "A9". Slide the Green wire into "A10", and it will position and lock all on its' own...

 

Finally the Black wire from the EBL-P4 communication cable. This wire is instructed to go to the "B4" pin location, which can be found on the lower side of the connector, fourth from the bottom right side. Note that all three of the pin locations used were already available for placement, and were not being used by the stock ECM...

 

Now, gently reinsert the light blue locking tabs to hold the wire terminals in place. Next, line the communication cable up parallel with the stock harness, do not stretch or put any "pull" on your new three wires that you added to your setup, allow for some play, and electrical tape both harnesses together. Be sure to tape over the EBL-P4's communication cable's protective sleeve wrap, don't tape over the wires themselves...

 

... and finally, reconnect your three connectors, and position your EBL-P4 communication cable in the direction where you want it to lead. Congratulations, your vehicle is now EBL-P4 ready, and ready to be reinstalled back into the dashboard.

 

I will be posting up vids and pics of the WUD download, as well as TunerProRT for those who are still essentially new to tuning. Note that I left out the procedures for the stock memcal install to run a Knock Sensor because that is intended for my own personal build, and there are plenty of options if you decide you want to run a Knock Sensor with your particular setup. Tuning vids will be coming up soon, I just want to make sure that new users are able to follow along, I don't want to get way ahead of everyone. Want us all to be on the same page... so if there are any questions, please feel free to ask away.

 

EBL-P4 Final Install...

EBL-P4 tucked neatly up and and back into the dashboard...

Note the communication cable peaking out to the far right of the picture...

 

Here is a better view of the EBL-P4 communication cable for those who couldn't find it...

 

Lower plastic dash cover installed, as well as drilled for the EBL-P4's communication cable's new location...

 

... and finally, the easiest of access when tuning the EBL-P4 system.

 

Oh it's on like Donkey Kong...

I might need a bigger throttle body, or at the very least, open up the IAC passages in the stock one. With the throttle blades closed at idle, the damn thing sounds like a supercharger, although it's sucking in air as opposed to blowing it in. Either way though, sucking, blowing its all good, and both work for me. Oh, and the car too lol...

 

makes me want to jump ship and get a EBL setup. vs burning chips and using code$59 for boost

 

... wait til you see what I do next with the EBL-P4, just waiting on RBob to confirm.

 

Been thinking the same thing, going to keep a close eye on this setup.