tjtaylor

i just finished building my 1973 sbc 400 .60 over n/a. im driving it around and im impressed with the pull i have but im looking for just a lil bit more. i dont want to get turbos, or a roots style supercharger, just looking for good brands on centri's. i want to fit under my hood and i want to keep my exhuast beacuse there is some money in there to hah. the motor will probably need to put forged pistons in it when i do this but as of right now it is sitting at 10.7 to 1 comp with aluminum heads and the camshaft is .504 .525 lift .233 .241 dur and i believe a 110 lsa. will i need a diff cam or can i use this one? any help will be apprciated and id like to get a full kit if p[ossible dont want to buiild it sepreatley

Ronny

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Look at procharger website. self contained unit has it own oil resavoir. compression a bit high but just run lesser boost.

tjtaylor

anyone know what ill have to do to my accessories? will i lose any? i have all options on a serpentine kit that was on my 91 305 with the a/c on passs side and alt on drivers

Ronny

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procharger can handle all that. they have an assortment of mounting hardware options.

tjtaylor

ok will do. any opinions on vortech's?? i ask because they seem cheaper, and now i got another problem. im trying to find a kit for our car for a carb set up and no one makes them specifiucally for our third gens!! what kits or systems and brands are you guys running and when approx did you get your kit

iroc-z_23

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if you tell procharger you have the same set up as a stock iroc just carbed, they can send you a carb hat and you can make your own tubing from procharger to hat. our 540 f3 build was a bit of a head ache and had andy mccoy racecars help set it up. that was just for an all out tubed chassis car though.


that would be the only difference between carb set up and tpi set up is just tubing after the blower, so still order the correct kit for your car.

tjtaylor

ohhh wow yours is just a tad to extreme for my set up haha but hey it looks really good! and ha i should have realized they were the same set up oops

KS91Z28

They'll sell you the '88-'92 kit, but they'll sub the cast TB elbow for the carb hat. No big deal.

tjtaylor

ok so i got a quote from procharger and it ended up being close to 5800 with everything said and done not including a blow thru carb. why is it sooooo much for the d1sc procharger compared to the si or t trim vortech?? i mean i can get the dam t trim polished kit from vortech for 3600 new!! whats the big 2 k difference?>???

iroc-z_23

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a lot has to do with demand and style i guess. not to mention the quality of caftsmanship either.. and if you have problems, their tech support is very good at troubleshooting. the design of vortech compared to procharger internally is probably not as sophisticated either im sure, but if your on a budget i wouldnt see a problem with vortech..boost is boost its gonna get to your motor one way or another, just how much will get there and how reliable it is will be the question

KS91Z28

Did the Vortech come with an intercooler system for that price?

tjtaylor

oh okay thanks for the info! and umm not it did not come with an intercooler but im carbed so i got a lil bit of cooling help but i dont suspect an intercooler to cost 2k...

KS91Z28

I'm not sure where you got that quote from, but it's way too high. Try calling a couple of ProCharger dealers and see if you can get a better price. Give Larry @ ASSC a call
(847) 838-0393

tjtaylor

ok i called him and i gto a better deal for the d1sc. now do you guys think i should go with the d1sc from procharger or the t trim from vortech procherger has an intercooler bvut vortech dont. any opinions?

TraviZ

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procharger all the way, I love my F1
i got mine for about 3600 without intercooler.
I will run meth injection anyway, that will keep my temps down

tjtaylor

whoaaa did the f1 come with all the mounting brackets and everything for 3600?? and i heard i really should run an intercooler..im carb so i got some cooling but veryyy little. how hott r u running and how much boost you got? im quite new to boost

iroc-z_23

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You can either get a vortech with no technical support, or go pro charger and get all the answers you need. I'd say start a pole to see but your waisting your time. Everybody will tell you procharger. If your running pump gas I'd definitely be running an intercooler. Your getting a lot of hot air blown thru your carburetor. Watch some of the Steve morris videos on it for more information. Don't take a chance and detonate.

TraviZ

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yes i got the procharger, oil, mounting bracket, carb hat (no longer using) and that badass red race bypass valve
i later paid another one hundred for the power steering bracket for the gm type 2 pump im running.

I havnt seen anything hotter then 190 yet, but its not summer, i do run a new, but stock single core radiator and a nice slimline twin flexalite fan setup

tjtaylor

whats the purpose of the bypass valve? and well this is somewhat of a budget build but i dont think id be getting an f1 i still wanna keep all of my accessories if its possrible. i have all of them except for the stupid smog pump. would the d1sc fit with all my other things ?

TraviZ

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yes a d1sc will fit just fine.

bypass valve lets the rushing air vent outside the charge pipe so when your throttle blades snap shut, the air rushing in doesnt back up and put a bad load on the supercharger unit. its good for the supercharger, and it sounds great too!

TraviZ

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here is gods hum of an street driven F1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phvCayQqtWk

tjtaylor

oh my thats nice. how do you guys feel about a self contained oiling system sompared to one thaat uses the engine oil

TraviZ

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self contained is far superior!

tjtaylor

because i ask is that if all that oil is in there with all the metal flakes of the supercharger, can you do an oil change on the supercharger just like you can with an engine?

iroc-z_23

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If your getting metal shavings from your blower, you got problems

tjtaylor

ha good point but reaaly though can you do oil changes on it or is it not needed?

Street Lethal

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"The patented SC design eliminates the need for oil lines and punching a hole in the oil pan, thanks to an exclusive oil pump. This pump aerates the oil to create the oil mist lubrication required for the ProCharger’s precision bearings and gears. This oil pump (aeration pump) does not require priming at start-up, and oil changes are required only every 6,000 miles"....

http://www.procharger.com/superchargers.shtml

tjtaylor

i realize i should probably go with the intercooled d1sc buuuutt id like to have it supercharged by the end of this summer and this kit here is looking more appealing. http://www.jegs.com/i/Vortech/933/4GP218-050L/10002/-1 or this one or are they both the same just a better price?? http://www.vortechsuperchargers.com/product.php?p=180

oops there the same kit. anybody ever use these and get good results?? and do you recommend a bypass valve? any other small things that need to go along with this kit before i get my mind set?

Eric89sc

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I wanted to ask you what size pulley you are running to make 15 lbs? I'm running a F1a too and I'm making 18 lbs and I should pick up 2 or 3 lbs when I put a methonal kit on.

Twin_Turbo

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inquiring minds want to know why

iroc-z_23

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the vortech looks good and for 2k its best bang for buck, but if you have time to wait still after reading that, youll probably get better results with procharger

KS91Z28

ProCharger kits usually ship within a week or 2 at most.

tjtaylor

i dont really care on how long it takes to recieve i may just wait a while to get it like the end of the summer and just tune my 400 good and maybe ill find out its quick enough..(highly unlikely though) but i am definatley getting the v3 trim kit from vortech for 2000.00 best deal ive found and 5 psi is good enough right now as i am running stock rods and crank...

dozerjoe

i had that vortech v3 on my car. alot of people will say go procharger but i asked alot of shops,dealers and other people before i purchased anything. the vortech will work fine for 90% of people out there.i talked to dealers for both and for the price it would be hard to beat the v3 kit.i talked to vortech and procharger, both places were more than willing to answer all the questions i asked.i was told by several people that the v3 si will max out around 850 fwhp which is way more then i need.vortech rates the v3 775 at peak Efficiency. several shops told me the longevity and quality of both are really good. when it comes to the big superchargers (1000 or more hp)almost everyone said go procharger.
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/powe...l-sbc-kit.html

Twin_Turbo

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I'm still dying to know the answer to my Q

Street Lethal

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I'll answer for him, there are a number of reasons. For one, if the oil pump goes, or if there is a leak somewhere in a pressure area, or perhaps if a spun bearing comes into play and oil pressure suddenly drops, it is one less thing to worry about in terms of critical components not getting sufficient oil. Two, it takes away the headache of running a feed and return line. And three, less clutter in the engine bay. I hope that helps to answer your question....

dozerjoe

and four, you can run a lubricant formulated for the supercharger.

TraviZ

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sorry for the late reply, I been real busy lately.

I have a 4.5" pulley. your probably running something like a 4" im guessing?


And street lethal covered all my points on why self contained are better. Basically, you don't have any engine issues to worry about contaminating your procharger unit. no metal flakes, bearing issues, just dirty oil in general.
its just a lot safer, and better insurance for a long lasting supercharger.

Twin_Turbo

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So that makes a SC far superior? This is just pointing out the differences and what some consider "benefits"

It can easily be argued the other way around. No need to mess with that stinky SC oil, no need to remove the SC to drain the old oil. No chance of the oil accidentally leaking out and the SC running dry. No chance of using the oil for too long causing problems.

A feed line is easily pulled off the front plug above the timing chain. Clean and hardly visible. A small stainless mesh filter is easily installed. A drain in the pan, hardly an issue. What clutter? Those 2 lines? The drain you don't even see, the feed is hardly noticeable too.

This is exactly why I asked this, I had a feeling this kind of answer would be posted here. "Far superior".... yeah right!

dozerjoe

on my v3 you dont remove it to drain the oil. it has a braided line that you can run to a easy to reach location.all you do is pull the plug out of it to drain it.also a mesh screen could stop up causing supercharger failure or it could not be catching the small particals letting them in the supercharger.with a self contained unit the oil stays in the supercharger helping cool it.