tom86iroc

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u would just need a spray bar for the intercooler and change the no2 to co2 or just run the no2 to the spray bar but that might exspensive or u could run S/C and no2

Orr89RocZ

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Heres one back in 04. Simple 383 stealth ram motor with D1SC

Was already at 545whp at 5000 rpm before running out of fuel. Easy mid 600whp car there once it gets near 6000 rpm with plenty of fuel. You can try similar setup. Those 04 AFR heads pretty comparable to the TFS 195's. Probly can try abit less cam, something in the 224/236 range like i suggested could easily work.

dennisbernal91z

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thanks for posting that setup. I will be running a carb, so fuel tends to not be hard to deliver. I have heard that the cog drive on a SC is not good for a manual car. AC posted that a while back in this thread I think. Anyone else heard of that?

Seems like people ALWAYS say that they are getting belt slip up high. If this is possible to avoid out of the gate I would like to do that. No matter what though, I am definitetly not running an auto.

He said something about a rev kit. I have only seen one of those and didn't know AFR makes one too. Is it a set of springs that holds your lifters down against your cam at high revs? Probably only worth the $ if you plan on spending a lot of time up above 5000...

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every think about a turbo setup? no issues with belt slip. It does require a lot of fab work though.

I would like to do a single turbo setup on my 92 in the future, if i even become independently wealthy...

Batass

You could save a lot of money by keeping your block. How often is your block going to actually see all of the power?

I think alcohol injection would give you better results than spraying the cooler.

Theres hardly any risk in going with a cam like Orr suggests.

dennisbernal91z

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Well the spray is not really a factor here. I don't want to rely on anything in a bottle to make power. I was just talking about the spray bar on a side note cuz I will have it laying around. I will be going with a conservative cam. I may or may not swap blocks.

I really don't want to do a turbo setup. I have thought about it for a very long time. I have too much $ in my exhaust to toss it and start over, also I don't want to deal with the lag and finding the right turbo for what I want. People always say it is soooo easy to get a nice T3/T4 turbo and bolt it on, very few have and drive it as much as I want to drive my car. Then there are oil lines, all that fab work and so on.

A nice blower that is intercooled on a strong bottom end should last me a long time and build power from light to light, which is exactly where it is going to be used most.

Anybody know what is involved in converting over to splayed main caps?

Orr89RocZ

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splayed caps will need to have the block drilled/tapped for the sideways main bolts that splayed cap main blocks have. Need to buy the conversion caps and have them all machined with the block to ensure bearing clearances to your crank.

dennisbernal91z

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Yeah, I read up on it. So far the only part I didn't know, I still don't. Is anything done to the left over drill holes that are not being used once you have the splayed caps in? If do this I will definetily have a machine shop doing the work.

I think I read it is only a few hundred bucks to get it done. I think my entire bottom end will be built up for me, that way i can just learn how to do the top end and save $ there.

Orr89RocZ

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Top end isnt all that bad to do. take your time with it and you will be fine.

Machine shop will take care of the bottom end/block prep

dennisbernal91z

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Anybody here know anything about cog drives and running a stick?

tom86iroc

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i will when my new motor goes in not until lol

Batass

I know its harsh and I've seen alot of discussion, but I don't recall what the limits are. There was a thread on here where someone listed a clutch that softens the shock.

The weakest point with a cog system seems to be the single keyway for the crank dampener. Someone on here broke one and had an ATI dampener I believe and even a high quality callies crankshaft.

I chose to stick with serpentine and hardly have any slip even with only a 6 rib belt. I've decided that if I want more that I would just go turbo instead of the harshness and expense of a cog system. Just for the price of the cog system and clutch, you could build your own turbo setup.

AC

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Thanks for reminding me of the double key setup. On top of a double key, a REALLY good safety would be get a BB snout on a SB crank. I know Eagle is offering them and I'm sure every other better company is too, i.e. Callies and Crower. The BB snout is a good safety against breakage. They're making timing covers now too taking the larger snout into account. The real threat from what I know, have talked to others, and read is that with a cog and manual setup, the teeth on the belt itself are what get sheared off over time. Now this may be a normal occurence for cog belts in general and maybe this "shock factor" of a manual just accelerates any breakage. I don't know, I have never run a cog nor plan too.

dennisbernal91z

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Well from what you guys are saying, sounds like more of a pain in the *** than a benefit. I guess I will just look into running more ribs on a traditional system.

AC

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Dennis, forget about even thinking 6-rib (not that you were), 8rib at a default and 12 rib if you can score a setup. ASP might need to be involved for 12rib pullies, not sure, I just know you don't see too many 12rib setups for 3rd gens, 4th gens yes.
Another source for pullies is Reichard Racing out of VA, I've reviewed my 1piece crank pulley design with him for manufacturing before and he helped me through it. My design takes the stock crank pulley, procharges giant aluminum spacer and blower crank pulley and puts it into 1 piece eliminating potential concentric differences, in the end no chance of vibratiosn.

dennisbernal91z

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I think I will start with 8 and later move to 12. Seems to be hard to find good prices on 12 rib stuff.

1 DwnCam

I have a 12 rib belt for my D1-SC. It works great no belt slip. It was from procharger direct though. I think Gates makes them for Procharger specifically

AC

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1 Dwn Cam, PART #'S please!!!! I've looked a long time and never bothered to ask Procharger. I know Gates is the only ones offering 12rib belts that would fit the procharger setups.

gta324

Here is a set up, daily driven in summer time.

839hp

Dart little M block
Callies dragonslayer 3.75
Manley H-profil
Wiseco 4.030
AFR 195 toppar 8.7:1
Flat tappet hydraulkam 234/244, 0.488/0.510 lyft 112 lobe
Vortech V7 kompressor, 1.3 bar.

Here is the guys home page, he does some really nice CNC work.
http://www.fraesarn.se/egnaprojekt.html

Here is his project thread, you can atleast enjoy the pictures

http://www.zatzy.com/projekt/318794-...ette-71-a.html

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I can look up the part number 12rib that came with my D1. its not the sc one thou, so it has a 8in crank and 4in blower pulley. the size might not be right.


its been years since I looked at the manual that came with it, but I seem to remember it saying carquest has the belts, or could order them.

AC

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The P1 and D1 come with a 8" crank pulley, thats what matters. We can figure out the belt lengths needed for different diamater head pullies. Thanks!!

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well I thought my install book had a part number, but looking thru it. I can't find one. all it says under belt replacement is either thru ATI or napa and carquest. then gives 1800 numbers for both to find nearest dealers. the belt is a gates micro v is all I see. the nampa number is 1800 538 6272. but I doubt it will help. sorry about that.

dennisbernal91z

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So I guess the general concensus is that if I use my old block, slayed caps should be just fine for a DD kind of street car running a lot of boost?

Go with a ready built blower carb, MLS head gaskets and a D1SC with an intercooler.

Any thoughts about going with another companies intercooler, or should I stick with Procharger's?

AC

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Dennis, prochargers are nice but certainly not as effecient unfortunately as some of the 3 core ebay intercoolers being sold and the ebay ones are alot less expensive.

1 DwnCam

I will see if I can dig up my procharger paper work and list a part number.

Orr89RocZ

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Seen some good running cars on the turboforums with ebay intercoolers. under 250 bucks for most of them and they fit well in the front nose. I'd go that way rather than the twin setup from procharger. Air flow in the front is better than where procharger has there intercoolers

dennisbernal91z

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I agree, plus if they suck it is not much of an investment to try one out.

I will try an ebay intercooler from ebay and buy everything else from Procharger if I can't find a nice D1SC used someplace.

AC

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I know a guy locally who was running my P1SC (he bought it from me) and now runs a D1SC and an ebay 3core, and has 2 pull fans mounted. It's a FMIC type of config. Looked clean. I'm buying one of these intercoolers next week. I just dropped 1300 bux on a new block so I had to wait a bit.

Dennis, if you get an ebay intercooler, be aware that the in / out is not opposed, meaning the procharger IC's for our cars are different than the ebay ones. I can't explain it well without pix but do some research on what a procharger IC looks like for a 3rd gen and then look at the ebay ones.

dennisbernal91z

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Getting an intercooler that "looks" like the one that procharger sells for our car is the least I would do. Thanks for the heads up though.

I am going to be looking into
-material
-weld type, quality
-volume
-frontal surface area
-inlet/outlet size and location, as well as relation to one another
-mounting options
-fin count, configuration

Once I get info on all these parameters from Procharger, I will look on ebay to find the closest match.

I will also start my search for 12 rib pullies after I call up Procharger to see what they have.