firstfirebird

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WOOT, got the assy today. It is from a FWD and has a reluctor wheel, but that's OK. The problem is I wanted to bolt this in place of my current rotating assy. BUT the pistons are 26.4cc (for AL heads) vs. the current 12cc, so I will just have to press the pin on the rod(s) from my current pistons.<-----does that sound like my cousins, brother's, uncles mother who married my great grandfather, lmao?

Hopefully I'll be back in a month (or so) for some times for you guys to see .

daves12secV6

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u cant just press the pins out and press the pins back threw new pistions.
u need a rod heater to heat the rods up so the pin slides inplace as the rod cools it locks itself onto the pin.
also u run the risk of runing the pistons when u press the pins out it has to be done with special mandrels to asuure u dont distort the pin holes, or stress the piston if u want to reuse them
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actually come to think of it u would only need to replace one rod, so u can take the one rod and piston and have it changed

firstfirebird

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My buddy at the CNC shop does this for the Toyota racing shop around the corner also might be getting a part time job there (5-10pm) for extra cash (my wife has a tumor on her kidney and is going to be out of work for a couple of mos )

Imthebriman

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sorry to hear about your wife john..... family before fun... you know how it is.

firstfirebird

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Thanx, she is actually being very optimistic about it. If they remove the entire organ or just the tumor can't be determined until they actually open her up. Her kidney is 10cm by 4cm, the tumor is 5cm by 5cm, it is located right between the spine and kidney and cannot be biopsied.

But anywho, got a couple of months to get some things wraped up .

eric17422001

Lord I hope it works out with your wife!

John D is long gone I am afraid. The address does not come back as good, I have both a cop buddy checking and I paid an investigator to do a "skip trace" on the name, but nothing is coming back. No record of a drivers licence in FL, nothing. I can't prosecute whom I can't find.

junkcltr

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I wish your wife well. You seem like someone with great ambition and I am sure she is the same. It will turn out okay.

I know someone that lived life a little too freely with booze and broke some internal parts. He is now getting some from his kids. He is a tough person and I feel it will turn out well for him too. Nothing to do with your loved one, but ambitious people seem to have more luck.

firstfirebird

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I never got around to uploading pics of the final product, now the motor is comming out, it and the turbo pipes are sold...















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firstfirebird

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Started modifying the turbo system for the buyer...
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/v6/4...rbo-pipes.html

Imthebriman

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Did I miss something? How is your wife doing? I hope she is ok... You are not going turbo anymore?

firstfirebird

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Read the link . New motor and turbo system. The wife gets her kidney removed Aug 21.

Imthebriman

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my prayers are with you and your family.... I am taking some time off from going to the track for a little bit.... I think I am going to turbo in the mean time.... I think I am going to do a setup similar to your old one.. with the y pipe.... I just have to save some money and then I will be calling you for some advice.... you still got my number?

firstfirebird

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Thanks.

Unless you left Nextel, yes.

Give me a buzz when you are ready for the turbo, I'm getting faster with installs now .

Imthebriman

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I still have the nextel.... I will definitely call you... I need to find a turbo and I also need to find some other stuff needed.... actually all of the stuff needed.... got anything sitting around the garage??? lol....

firstfirebird

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I gat the pipe for $20/10', bends are free (may just want to tip my bud). I have a ported Eaton M90 if you can find another, we could go S/C.

83 Crossfire TA

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a pair of M90's... how fast do you intend to go?

firstfirebird

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1 M90 is enough for a 350? It can't keep up with the flow on a GM 3.4DOHC. Imthebriman has a 91 Z28.

Imthebriman

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Is a M90 a S/C or a turbo? I would be interested... Let me know what is up... I am thinking to do a forced inducton setup...

83 Crossfire TA

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We have a single M90 in my brother’s car, on a .030” over 5.0 ford in a 4 door ford LTD that runs high 10’s/low 11’s @120

daves12secV6

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are u sure ur not thinking of an m62

Imthebriman

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hey john, I like the idea of a single m90.....lol... let me know what is up....

Imthebriman

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Man john, where you been? Haven't talked to you in a while.....

firstfirebird

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I'm here in coral Springs, just like always . Let me finish up a couple of trades and see what we can do for your car. I didn't realize an M90 would be sufficient flow for a 350. Lots of 3.4 dohc people complain about the M90's, but I believe what 83 crossfire ta has to say, judging by all the other posts I have read about him .

83 Crossfire TA

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To clarify things… airflow is airflow. If you have a compressor forcing air into an engine, it doesn’t matter how big an engine you have after it, properly tuned, the engine will attempt to make hp proportionate to the air pushed into it…

That being said, with some mild porting, spun pretty close to its limit we have a single M90 moving enough air to move a roughly 3400# car to the high 10’s at near 120mph. If that’s enough hp for your 350 than the M90 is big enough, if not than it is not.

Make sense?

firstfirebird

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Yes, it makes good sense, but when does it become a restriction? I would immagine if an engine requires more fuel N/A than the S/C can deliver, wouldn't that just impede flow?

What size pulleys did you use to drive it?

83 Crossfire TA

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huh... it’s been a long while since we did it but I do remember for sure that we ended up with almost exactly a 3:1 ratio… I believe that it was the smallest M90 pulley that fits without machining the blower snout and whatever the standard ATI crank drive pulley is for a mustang, I think it’s something like 2.65” and 8” or something like that…

firstfirebird

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The ratio you used might be sufficient. I have access to a CNC lathe, and a pulley would be simple to make (especially with a 12" chuck). Actually I could put a second pulley with tensioner just to drive the blower and have infinate possabilities of pulley ratios.


EDIT: HMMM, now you really have me thinking. How about a coged belt?!

Imthebriman

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I LOVE FORCED INDUCTION!!!

junkcltr

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The S/C is nice, but the noise sitting at a stop light and cruising around gets annoying. If you don't mind the noise then it is all good. I went turbo because it is quiet all the time except when you want to go fast. The exhaust gets louder so I don't care about the turbo making noise too.

83 Crossfire TA

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I envy you there… with access to a decent lathe and mill I could build just about anything…

Totally overkill, but what the heck… Gimmler belts are supposed to be much more reliable then others. Of course, these and even the bigger eaton blowers work fine with 6 and 8 rib serpentine belts…

firstfirebird

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A lathe mill combo, actually. If you re-read my earlier posts in this thread, my friend is a 30yr machinist. He is opening a new shop with my help and I have full access. The lathe is actually a CNC lathe and 4 axis mill combination made by Mori Seiki. We have a Lagun CNC mill, a Bridgeport manual, and a few other machines at the shop. (actually th Mori Seiki is being delivered Tue) I am interested in making some forged pistons, any input would be great from you or junk. My plan is to make one, and heat it to about 300* to see what kind of expansion I am dealing with (we have a 1600* max "parts warmer). Also some billet rods are on the agenda, right now are accounts consist of making SS threaded rods (20' long 316 w/3" thread each end), slots in 4340 (4" deep, 3" wide, 12" long), etc. Mostly production stuff (2x,000 parts a year). I am ready to do full on fab work, including block boring, head work etc, but my partner is into the mass production and said if I am keeping the machines running at night for him, I am free to do as I wish (he is paying me piece rate for his parts, and I pay a % for mine).

Imthebriman

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Your gonna be doing machine work john????

83 Crossfire TA

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There’s a lot more to piston design than you expect, different amounts of metal in different areas cause the piston to expand at an odd rate, so they are usually cut so they’re barrel shaped from a profile and slightly oval from the top. I personally don’t feel it’s worth the effort, if you want something custom I’d start with a good forging with some extra to it (like the TRW pistons, I’ve cut custom dishes out o f them) and then just modify the parts that need to be custom and leave the rest to the pros, by the time you get enough forged blanks and do the machining you’ll be way behind doing it all yourself.

firstfirebird

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I'm fimiliar with the odd shaping of the pistons and we have an oven capable of 1800* to heat the part and measure it for expansion. I'm still going to try it even with the complexity. My plan was to get a forged piston and make a copy of it, then put it through some heat cycles to determine if it is feasable.

If all else fails, yes I will be buying aftermarkets to modify for use. The problem is that v6 pistons are expensive because each set being fully custom (unless they have made a set in the past) and most companies want $800 to $1k to make a set of 6.
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Yes and more. We will be getting sand blasters, a bigger oven (for coating), welders, and more.

This time next year, I plan on having a full custom shop set up. At first we are doing production work and have several orders in for anywhere up to 20,000 parts a year.

Imthebriman

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Well you let me know!!! I will be a good customer!!! LOL..

firstfirebird

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Imthebriman

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That is sexy!!! I love it!!! You have any ideas on how to make something like that work on my car??????? VROOOOOMMMMM!!!!!!!!!

firstfirebird

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Need to look under your hood again. Might have to get rid of A/C . Then again, I was thinking of selling my turbo, you could buy it off me, and get another. ttypecamaro is working on some new turbo headers, and think he was selling his old ones. This way, we could bolt it on fairly quickly once you pick up another turbo. Let me know when!

Imthebriman

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let me know..... I was thinking about doing a single turbo..... twin would be nice!!!! I am interested....I found one of those sbc single turbo headers on ebay.... relatively cheap.... I might want to try that.... I don't want massive boost as of yet...... I would not mind like 5lbs.... I would be happy with a 40hp increase..... I do like the S/C too.... Let me know what we could do...

firstfirebird

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Contact ttypecamaro, headers are a little more, but well worth it.